My story + advice please

Blue88

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Hi all,

So, here goes...

I'm a 29-year-old male. I first noticed hair loss at the age of 25. Since that age, I tried to battle the classic receding hairline with supplements.

To try to combat hair loss, I took the following stack for approximately three years: MSM Sulfur, modifilan, zinc, Thorne B Complex #6, Ecklonia Cava, Curcumin and transveratrol, Acetyl l carnitine, stabilised lipoic acid, magnesium, krill oil, scute, rutin, k2, vitamin a, vitamin c, immune boost 77, taurine.

I can't really say this stack ever did a great deal either way.

So, fast forward to October 2017. I took my first hair test while still taking all supplements - see below:

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Calcium was incredibly high and boron non-existent. On @gbolduev 's advice I dropped all supplements. I also tested a few other things in blood to rule out hyperparathyroidism. Here are those results:

Calcium - 2.49 mmol/L (range: 2.20 - 2.60)
Prolactin - 135 mIU/L (range: 86 - 324)
Intact-(whole molecule) PTH - 5.0 pmol/L (range: 1.6 - 6.9)

All seemed fine so I think hyperparathyroidism is ruled out, and it was the Vit D3 causing issues.

Having dropped all supplements, I moved to a diet of seafood (shellfish, sardines), eggs, spinach, sweet potato, salt, brown and white rice, turmeric, garam masala, coconut milk, olive oil.

So, early February 2018, I took another hair test. See results below.

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Calcium has declined a bit and boron has now increased. All in all, my shedding has reduced and I feel I have a bit more energy. The decline in calcium has certainly helped with my confidence.

However, I'd like some advice on balancing the sky high elements in the test (calcium, chromium, molybdenum, etc.). I'm still shedding to some degree, my joints click a lot, my libido is low (always has been - even though I've never taken Fin, etc.).

Both hair tests pointed to me being Slow 1, but Gbol has said he thinks I'm a Fast oxidiser, so who knows?

The overall aim is to get my hair back to how it was. I'm slim and athletic.

Appreciate any help @gbolduev , @mattyb , @TubZy
 

Canari

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Go on like this, this is encouraging! I would not change much what you do, because if the process goes faster, then the nervous system can disregulate, as it cannot follow fast changes.Thus all the symtoms people mention when following MB protocols, I guess.

Why not give your blood once to lower iron?

About chromium, there is some in stainless steel... It has chromium and nickel. If you cannot at the moment, then at least remove all food imidiately after cooking, and do not cook acid food like with tomato sauce. Salt is also bad during cooking as Cl attacks stainless steel. Never use bleach to clean a pan, for the same reason, Cl.
 

mattyb

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Just stick with it. It looks like things are improving, especially considering that you say you feel better as well. As calcium is coming out of your system other minerals will leave with it too, so you'll see a temporary spike in some minerals that were locked in with calcium. Keep at it, and retest again 3-6 months from now. This is really interesting and informative to see, a good example of what happens when you start ditching calcium.

You may want to consider using the chloride salts though to keep Mg/Na/K from going too low.
 

Blue88

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Thanks for your feedback and input - most appreciated.

Any clues as to why my libido is so low? Also why molybdenum could be so high?
 

Blue88

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@gbolduev I was hoping you may have some comments since we last spoke. I took the blood tests and dropped everything as recommended, but haven't heard from you since - I know you're busy.
 

Blue88

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Wow that trace mineral elecrolyte concentrate contains way more magnesium than sodium and potassium.
I assume you never used Finasteride?

Did you notice changes with this electrolyte concentrate & diet?

I've never used Finasteride, but my libido has always been low.

My calcium has dropped and boron increased since dropping all supplements, which is shown on the hair tests.

My hair still seems to be shedding, though, which is frustrating. I just want to sort this out. Any ideas?

Do you think there's too much magnesium in the concentrate? I've been taking it each day, for a couple of years.
 

Blue88

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I've never used Finasteride, but my libido has always been low.

My calcium has dropped and boron increased since dropping all supplements, which is shown on the hair tests.

My hair still seems to be shedding, though, which is frustrating. I just want to sort this out. Any ideas?

Do you think there's too much magnesium in the concentrate? I've been taking it each day, for a couple of years.

My skin seems to be better. I'm slightly more outgoing. Sleep is a tad better.
 

HerrFisch

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Do you think there's too much magnesium in the concentrate? I've been taking it each day, for a couple of years.

I dont think its too much magnesium. I just think its not really balanced.
I mean 4% potassium and 5%sodium but 50%magnesium? If they use RDI why not similar percentages?
I just think for slow oxidizers with high calcium and often highish magnesium, thats not what we want.

High calcium is a good indicator for copper toxicity according to ARL. Even if copper is low on the hairtest.
I think what gbold suggested for shedding, little zinc with manganese and maybe some carnosine, could be useful.
 

Blue88

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I dont think its too much magnesium. I just think its not really balanced.
I mean 4% potassium and 5%sodium but 50%magnesium? If they use RDI why not similar percentages?
I just think for slow oxidizers with high calcium and often highish magnesium, thats not what we want.

High calcium is a good indicator for copper toxicity according to ARL. Even if copper is low on the hairtest.
I think what gbold suggested for shedding, little zinc with manganese and maybe some carnosine, could be useful.
It's interesting because @gbolduev said that in my case I shouldn't take manganese. Something to do with prolactin...

Not sure where to go!
 

Orion

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What is your height, body weight? Have you thought about or tried fasting like Nina suggested? help deplete excess minerals.
 

Blue88

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I have considered fasting; however, the confusion comes from my hair test saying I'm a slow oxidiser but @gbolduev thought I could be a fast oxidiser, so I was hoping for more guidance from him.

I'm 180cm tall and weigh 66.5kg. Can't really afford to lose any weight.
 

Orion

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I have considered fasting; however, the confusion comes from my hair test saying I'm a slow oxidiser but @gbolduev thought I could be a fast oxidiser, so I was hoping for more guidance from him.

I'm 180cm tall and weigh 66.5kg. Can't really afford to lose any weight.

Yes you sound lean, are you muscular or skinny fat?

Even at you current height/weight you could try 3 to 10 day water fast. I think high calcium means you are not fast oxidizer.
 

Blue88

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Yes you sound lean, are you muscular or skinny fat?

Even at you current height/weight you could try 3 to 10 day water fast. I think high calcium means you are not fast oxidizer.

I'm lean/athletic build. Not very muscular but not fat either.
 

Blue88

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Just stick with it. It looks like things are improving, especially considering that you say you feel better as well. As calcium is coming out of your system other minerals will leave with it too, so you'll see a temporary spike in some minerals that were locked in with calcium. Keep at it, and retest again 3-6 months from now. This is really interesting and informative to see, a good example of what happens when you start ditching calcium.

You may want to consider using the chloride salts though to keep Mg/Na/K from going too low.
Hey @mattyb - thanks - wondered if you have anything else to add on my situation?

For some reason, hair is shedding a bit more again and no idea why?!
 

Blue88

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@gbolduev - hoping you have some advice regarding my androgenic alopecia treatment based on my two hair tests and blood tests?
 

brix

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Just curious, does your scalp feel loose or do you feel some calcification/fibrosis?