Electrolyte Protocol for Improved Health

[Jaxx]

I dont see people ask any questions. like who is asking questions I dont get. I mentioned to you people who are taking the protocol. they are not asking any questions really. New people that take random stuff here and there, Are asking questions. Good for them. but I am not going to answer any of those questions, Since protocol answers everything. And I am not here to hold people hands and walk them thru. I did it for a lot of people here with my spare time, and I adviced many people case by case on their problems.

ONE MORE TIME FOR YOU. ARL GIVES BACK A HAIRTEST WITH A COMPUTER generated PROGRAM WHICH IS 20 PAGES with all recs and a program and what to take exactly , if you dont get that. YOu are doing something wrong, or you just ordered a hairtest which is worthless to you . YOU need to order hairtest and a program. And this should cost you 150bux. If someone sells you a hairtest for a 100 and then a program for 140. It is a rip off, this is why I told you you get get everything proper with Catherine. and I left her e-mail address on the first page of this thread

Thanks, i must've misread all the questions about the protocol, across all the 30 pages in this thread....
I will save my constructive criticism for another day as i dont want any more capslocks coming at me.

 

[HerrFisch]

@everyone

Who here still has problems figuring out what to do? (With Hairtest done, but maybe no "Program")

 

[Helen]

I dont see people ask any questions. like who is asking questions I dont get. I mentioned to you people who are taking the protocol. they are not asking any questions really. New people that take random stuff here and there, Are asking questions. Good for them. but I am not going to answer any of those questions, Since protocol answers everything. And I am not here to hold people hands and walk them thru. I did it for a lot of people here with my spare time, and I adviced many people case by case on their problems.

ONE MORE TIME FOR YOU. ARL GIVES BACK A HAIRTEST WITH A COMPUTER generated PROGRAM WHICH IS 20 PAGES with all recs and a program and what to take exactly , if you dont get that. YOu are doing something wrong, or you just ordered a hairtest which is worthless to you . YOU need to order hairtest and a program. And this should cost you 150bux. If someone sells you a hairtest for a 100 and then a program for 140. It is a rip off, this is why I told you you get get everything proper with Catherine. and I left her e-mail address on the first page of this thread

If you read the first page. of this thread, it says step by step what to do. If you misinterpret something, ask other people who are following it with success.

People will always be asking questions even if you told them to take 1 plus 1. Plus very many random people are taking parts of stuff and trying electrolytes and HCL. None of them doing this full protocol. like Yura and other people like Legna etc. All those people are doing their own stuff. And obviously they will be asking questions to bypass this or by pass that etc.

I have no idea why you read the thread and read the questions. this thread is made for the questions. People write about what they take in their LOGS. And this thread is made for the questions thus you will see only questions in this thread and nothing more. There are no logs of people taking stuff here, and there is no feed back. People can ask questions all day long here, every day since the theory is broad and you can just ask and ask and ask

 

[Niles]

I dont see people ask any questions. like who is asking questions I dont get. I mentioned to you people who are taking the protocol. they are not asking any questions really. New people that take random stuff here and there, Are asking questions. Good for them. but I am not going to answer any of those questions, Since protocol answers everything. And I am not here to hold people hands and walk them thru. I did it for a lot of people here with my spare time, and I adviced many people case by case on their problems.

ONE MORE TIME FOR YOU. ARL GIVES BACK A HAIRTEST WITH A COMPUTER generated PROGRAM WHICH IS 20 PAGES with all recs and a program and what to take exactly , if you dont get that. YOu are doing something wrong, or you just ordered a hairtest which is worthless to you . YOU need to order hairtest and a program. And this should cost you 150bux. If someone sells you a hairtest for a 100 and then a program for 140. It is a rip off, this is why I told you you get get everything proper with Catherine. and I left her e-mail address on the first page of this thread

If you read the first page. of this thread, it says step by step what to do. If you misinterpret something, ask other people who are following it with success.

The ARL practitioner I went through, recommended by ARL, had one of those two-tiered pricings, with the lower tier being just her recommendations and the upper tier including the whole ARL booklet. The upper tier was much more expensive, and I figured I could make-do with the lower tier; anyhow, I did get a booklet, but there are pages torn out... LOL. Called up ARL and they said my analysis was given the full treatment and sent to my practitioner.

I'm hoping now that I can get access to the missing pages either through my practitioner by giving her a hard time or through Catherine... I'm guessing this isn't how it's supposed to work?

 

[Helen]

The ARL practitioner I went through, recommended by ARL, had one of those two-tiered pricings, with the lower tier being just her recommendations and the upper tier including the whole ARL booklet. The upper tier was much more expensive, and I figured I could make-do with the lower tier; anyhow, I did get a booklet, but there are pages torn out... LOL. Called up ARL and they said my analysis was given the full treatment and sent to my practitioner.

I'm hoping now that I can get access to the missing pages either through my practitioner by giving her a hard time or through Catherine... I'm guessing this isn't how it's supposed to work?

Damn, stories get better and better. They gave you a report with torned out pages, WTF LOL Some of the practitioners are insane.

SO you got the booklet , are there any recs in it?

 

[MNK99]

Yeah they're sketchy as hell... May as well walk to Chinatown or Little India and buy a bunch of herbs and spices and rhino horn and rub it all over myself.
Rather than relying on these witchcraft/ homeopathic hair people. Maybe I should try snorting some Saffron.

I sent them my beautiful hair... for what? To wait a month, ridiculous.

 

[Niles]

Damn, stories get better and better. They gave you a report with torned out pages, WTF LOL Some of the practitioners are insane.

SO you got the booklet , are there any recs in it?

Nope, just about everything but. It's got all the background info on minerals and their interactions, what my levels are, what they mean, etc, but anything related to recommendations seems to be missing. The pages are perforated at the spine, and it wasn't until I took a really good look just now that I noticed a few were totally just taken out...

 

[Helen]

Nope, just about everything but. It's got all the background info on minerals and their interactions, what my levels are, what they mean, etc, but anything related to recommendations seems to be missing. The pages are perforated at the spine, and it wasn't until I took a really good look just now that I noticed a few were totally just taken out...

Usually practitioners order either a hairtest or hairtest with recs. Those are 2 different prices. So if you did not ask your practitioner to order you a program recs, then the practitioner would never do it since it will cost him money. So I doubt the practitioner took out the pages, it just makes no sense for him to pay extra for something that you did not need.

 

[Niles]

Usually practitioners order either a hairtest or hairtest with recs. Those are 2 different prices. So if you did not ask your practitioner to order you a program recs, then the practitioner would never do it since it will cost him money. So I doubt the practitioner took out the pages, it just makes no sense for him to pay extra for something that you did not need.

I figured that as well at first, but I called up ARL yesterday to see if I could pay whatever difference to get the full write-up, and they said they already did the whole thing for my labs, recs and all, and to ask my practitioner. It wasn't until just now when double checking that I noticed pages torn out. We'll see where this goes...

 

[sanka]

I made my analysis at trace elements but indont understand some things. For example, people is saying to take potassium chloride and i bought the potassium that TE recommend me and is not chloride i think. Also for example i have very low soddium but they dont suggest me to take that. Apart from this i bought the platinum essential aminoacids and the biodigestive enzymes. I tried to buy everything that was writte in the first page.. i should take everything together?

 

[TubZy]

Thanks, i must've misread all the questions about the protocol, across all the 30 pages in this thread....
I will save my constructive criticism for another day as i dont want any more capslocks coming at me.

Plenty of people have recovered but mostly from PFS so far, many of the relevant links are in my signature, but I don't have time to constantly follow multiple logs 24/7 to always have a quick update with everyone's status. Hair test has always been suggested, just no one really took it seriously including me until recently. I know this because I got loads of PM's of people showing me their hair test who didn't get the ARL program afterwards, and I have no idea what to really suggest to them.

But anyways, all this stuff is experimental, you are at your own risk. If you want to do RU, try it or if you want to do CDnuts protocol, try it. No one is forcing you to do anything at all, and given that you are PSSD that is even more experimental than just for PFS so I can get why you are frustrated a bit since no one really has much experience with it yet here, besides a few.

Majority of the people that ask questions in this thread don't actually read the thread or even the first page, they just ask basic questions and want a quick answer when most of these questions have been answered multiple times over and over. I don't mind answering repetitive questions but to say the last 30 pages of this thread where legit questions is pushing it a bit.

Other users in this thread do post experimental stuff on their own that they are trying to, which is not the actual protocol, so I advise anyone that is reading this to just focus on this first post of this thread, it lists what to do, don't get stuck in the mud with all the other stuff surrounding it. If it helps you, great, if it doesn't maybe try another protocol or get a hair test. If you want something even simpler go CDnut's route, he outlines his entire protocol in his section here.

I appreciate the criticism, but what solution do you propose? The logs are all there and anyone can go in and view them right this instance and decide on what you want to do next based on the members who recovered and are improving. The protocols are outlined in the separate sticky threads. Not sure what else I can change anymore since we have been down this road before, all the info is available right here, but I'm open to feedback.

 

[TubZy]

Some are trying to use the protocol without Hair test.
Some are using only some minerals.
Some are just using weird electrolyte dosages which dont fit together
Some dont know what to do or take.

I guess its actually quite hard for some to pick the right things from that protocol.

Tbh I think its needed to pin down some dosages of electrolytes in this "protocol". I see a lot on here taking only pieces of the protocol.

Like Potassium and Magnesium but without Sodium despite low sodium on hair test. And then they feel bad on magnesium and lower it or drop it.
Or people taking a lot of Betain HCl but only little potassium. 400mg Kcl 3x per day is just to little if you ask me.

And people should not buy overpriced low dosed things like eidon minerals. Chloride form of every electrolyte can be so cheap. And HCL as well (Just ask @Yura)

You can spend really a lot on the wrong things of this protocol. I think the protocol can be very overwhelming and people read over or focus on the wrong things.

&I think we need a "protocol" for dummies.

Exactly, the dosages are the biggest issue here, I think I mentioned this a while back in this thread or another one, but you are right. At least from the logs I have seen, the dosages are the biggest factor in determining if someone does well on it or not, some high some low etc, but again not saying everyone will do well on this protocol hence getting a hair test would be more advisable especially if none of the other protocols (Ella, RU, CDnuts, progesterone etc) worked. I guess that is why it is considered an experimental option and if you want to be more sure in what you are doing, get a hair test first with ARL program not just a basic hair test with no recs otherwise not many people will be able to help you.

 

[Jaxx]

Plenty of people have recovered but mostly from PFS so far, many of the relevant links are in my signature, but I don't have time to constantly follow multiple logs 24/7 to always have a quick update with everyone's status. Hair test has always been suggested, just no one really took it seriously including me until recently. I know this because I got loads of PM's of people showing me their hair test who didn't get the ARL program afterwards, and I have no idea what to really suggest to them.

But anyways, all this stuff is experimental, you are at your own risk. If you want to do RU, try it or if you want to do CDnuts protocol, try it. No one is forcing you to do anything at all, and given that you are PSSD that is even more experimental than just for PFS so I can get why you are frustrated a bit since no one really has much experience with it yet here, besides a few.

Majority of the people that ask questions in this thread don't actually read the thread or even the first page, they just ask basic questions and want a quick answer when most of these questions have been answered multiple times over and over. I don't mind answering repetitive questions but to say the last 30 pages of this thread where legit questions is pushing it a bit.

Other users in this thread do post experimental stuff on their own that they are trying to, which is not the actual protocol, so I advise anyone that is reading this to just focus on this first post of this thread, it lists what to do, don't get stuck in the mud with all the other stuff surrounding it. If it helps you, great, if it doesn't maybe try another protocol or get a hair test. If you want something even simpler go CDnut's route, he outlines his entire protocol in his section here.

I appreciate the criticism, but what solution do you propose? The logs are all there and anyone can go in and view them right this instance and decide on what you want to do next based on the members who recovered and are improving. The protocols are outlined in the separate sticky threads. Not sure what else I can change anymore since we have been down this road before, all the info is available right here, but I'm open to feedback.

Hi Tubz, as i mentioned before, i greatly appreciate the time you took to set up this forum. My criticism is that this thread/protocol does not seem to be the golden bullet, and rather emphasizing that people didnt read it correctly, i point out that a large test group did a clean run and no one really got cured.
Doesnt mean others didnt get cured before, although it is a minorty and several of them tried multiple things without a real proper log, so it is all but transparent for most of the readers here.

If the point is to learn and guide from some cured cases, then i would kindly suggest that this would be logged accordingly. If Gbold can cure Admiraal and Barbaar that would be amazing, really. But why not do that in a topic, where all their actions, discussions, questions, hairtests etc. are logged, so the rest can really learn from it?

 

[wuf]

Yeah they're sketchy as hell... May as well walk to Chinatown or Little India and buy a bunch of herbs and spices and rhino horn and rub it all over myself.
Rather than relying on these witchcraft/ homeopathic hair people. Maybe I should try snorting some Saffron.
I sent them my beautiful hair... for what? To wait a month, ridiculous.

Does it mean that you have to explicity request advises to get the practitioner helping you?
If you do not ask and pay for it as you send the hair, they wil not give you advises?

 

[Helen]

I made my analysis at trace elements but indont understand some things. For example, people is saying to take potassium chloride and i bought the potassium that TE recommend me and is not chloride i think. Also for example i have very low soddium but they dont suggest me to take that. Apart from this i bought the platinum essential aminoacids and the biodigestive enzymes. I tried to buy everything that was writte in the first page.. i should take everything together?

Get an ARL program and follow it. Or you can follow TE program. YOu cant just buy random stuff and take it.

 

[Helen]

Hi Tubz, as i mentioned before, i greatly appreciate the time you took to set up this forum. My criticism is that this thread/protocol does not seem to be the golden bullet, and rather emphasizing that people didnt read it correctly, i point out that a large test group did a clean run and no one really got cured.
Doesnt mean others didnt get cured before, although it is a minorty and several of them tried multiple things without a real proper log, so it is all but transparent for most of the readers here.

If the point is to learn and guide from some cured cases, then i would kindly suggest that this would be logged accordingly. If Gbold can cure Admiraal and Barbaar that would be amazing, really. But why not do that in a topic, where all their actions, discussions, questions, hairtests etc. are logged, so the rest can really learn from it?

Jaxx.. Honestly you keep saying same things over and over again. There was no large trial group . are you serious. it was only 5 people who just took electrolytes with amino acids for a week. I have no idea where you get this large trial thing. Tubzy was doing good on HCL plus electrolytes and set up the trial to see if this would help other people. It has nothing to do with this protocol. It had no minerals in it or hairtests, or multivitamins , nothing. I told Tubzy not to do it, and not to try to simplify things. And now you are talking about some trial. Tubzy posted this long list of people trying it. but it was only 5 people who did that thing for a week)) and it was purposely done in a private thread,since it was just experimental and had nothing to do with the approach I suggested.And then I told Tubzy to stop it since I looked at some of those people's hairtests and what they were doing was worthless.

I told you look at logs of Raincoast, Herrfish, goose 12, tubzy, Orion, March,Aztec, Scenes.,Ihate fin . Also you can look at suggestions of MattyB and his log,he is doing similar things also and has some very good points also on diet, and electrolytes balance. Those people who are trying to follow some of the things I suggested like RU ella , and ARL hairtest thing., and fasting.. And no they were not trying random things. and this is not a minority . It is a majority of this forum. These are all active forumers. Minority is the people who are doing random stuff. who I dont even know. Like admiral, Yura, Health . I never dealt with them. And they are a minority. Really get your story straight. I am wasting my time answering and clearing this up to you already 5 times. And you still return to your previous statements about some large trial.

You can look at logs of these people, instead you look at logs of Admiral. Who I have no clue what he is doing. He seems to just waste money on random stuff, and not listen to what I am saying. I never worked with him. and I am not going to take on case by case of everyone who comes here and is struggling.

As of now I took on one case of PSSD ( barbar). Read his messages he is already doing better.

I keep repeating this to you over and over again. And you choose to look at logs or questions of some random people who are not even part of the core of this forum. It is like you are looking and learning from failure? why? Why do you want to learn from people who are doing some random stuff. Who don't have a plan.
If the first post in this thread is not straight forward to you. Then I cant help you either. And please dont give me stuff about admiral.I never worked with him. I have no idea what he is doing. And I am not going to keep taking cases case by case. I already took people on and fixed them , I dont have to keep proving to you that it works.

If you are skeptical and dont believe you can be cured this way. Just dont do any of this. And dont be part of this forum. You can always go to Ray Peats forum or Ghost;s forum and be there. There is a protocol outlined on the first page of this thread. It says exactly what to do. from A to Z. If people chose to do some weird parts of the protocol. Setup weird trials that do some weird parts of the protocol. they will always do it and I have no control over it. Someone can read it and see only salt in it. some can read and see only magnesium and potassium in it. Etc. Some like Yura can only see lack of stomach acid, and may be it will work for him etc, but it is not a protocol that I outined. Some like LEgna want to salt load , good for them, they are trying , but they are also not doing any of this protocol. Health is just trying some random stuff, and has a very good log. But people who are doing better suggest him to get a a hairtest and get balanced.

You can always go on Raincoast log , or Herrfish log , or March log, Or Tubzy log , or Orion log and ask for advice how to proceed. Those people got it and think in the right direction. But you instead look at people who did nto get it. How can I explain to WUF to follow the program. HOw? He does not get what to do, I look at his og and he is just all over the place. I cant baby sit him. I tell him , dear WUF, get ARL program , and just be on it , buy supplements from ARL and DONT think. We have different people on this forum. Some know how to navigate thru all this info and some don't. You choose to look at people who don't know how to navigate thru this info. Sorry but it is a dead end.


My advice to you . Get a log here, contact Catherine. get a hairtest , program and take the supplements. And then in your log, you can ask questions and collab with other people who are already doing the same .like Raincoast, Tubzy, Herrfish, March. to mention a few. These are the majority and the most active member of this forum. If you keep reading this thread , it wont get you anywhere. Since this thread has no feedbacks and no one is following a proper protocol

 

[Yura]

Look what is coming out of my bladder. If somebody is wondering if the hydrochloric acid really cleanse the lymphatic system(but not just lymphatic system) from waste products. No wonder that I felt like shit when I started with hydrochloric acid. The first few of days were worst..

 

[Helen]

Look what is coming out of my bladder. If somebody is wondering if the hydrochloric acid really cleanse the lymphatic system(but not just lymphatic system) from waste products. No wonder that I felt like shit when I started with hydrochloric acid. The first few of days were worst..
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C.mon , bud. I'm having breakfast ))

 

[Yura]

C.mon , bud. I'm having breakfast ))

Hehe but I'm so happy that things are moving right direction after so many years of struggle... Even when I feel like complete shit right now it's great. I don't give a fuck. Hydrochloric acid is the real detox. It is not like vegan bullshit from alkaline water and juice fast.. Without hydrochloric acid you can't detox this have shit what is in me.. Hydrochloric acid therapy is 100% correct wow..

 

[Jaxx]

Jaxx.. Honestly you keep saying same things over and over again. There was no large trial group . are you serious. it was only 5 people who just took electrolytes with amino acids for a week. I have no idea where you get this large trial thing. Tubzy was doing good on HCL plus electrolytes and set up the trial to see if this would help other people. It has nothing to do with this protocol. It had no minerals in it or hairtests, or multivitamins , nothing. I told Tubzy not to do it, and not to try to simplify things. And now you are talking about some trial. Tubzy posted this long list of people trying it. but it was only 5 people who did that thing for a week)) and it was purposely done in a private thread,since it was just experimental and had nothing to do with the approach I suggested.And then I told Tubzy to stop it since I looked at some of those people's hairtests and what they were doing was worthless.

I told you look at logs of Raincoast, Herrfish, goose 12, tubzy, Orion, March,Aztec, Scenes.,Ihate fin . Also you can look at suggestions of MattyB and his log,he is doing similar things also and has some very good points also on diet, and electrolytes balance. Those people who are trying to follow some of the things I suggested like RU ella , and ARL hairtest thing., and fasting.. And no they were not trying random things. and this is not a minority . It is a majority of this forum. These are all active forumers. Minority is the people who are doing random stuff. who I dont even know. Like admiral, Yura, Health . I never dealt with them. And they are a minority. Really get your story straight. I am wasting my time answering and clearing this up to you already 5 times. And you still return to your previous statements about some large trial.

You can look at logs of these people, instead you look at logs of Admiral. Who I have no clue what he is doing. He seems to just waste money on random stuff, and not listen to what I am saying. I never worked with him. and I am not going to take on case by case of everyone who comes here and is struggling.

As of now I took on one case of PSSD ( barbar). Read his messages he is already doing better.

I keep repeating this to you over and over again. And you choose to look at logs or questions of some random people who are not even part of the core of this forum. It is like you are looking and learning from failure? why? Why do you want to learn from people who are doing some random stuff. Who don't have a plan.
If the first post in this thread is not straight forward to you. Then I cant help you either. And please dont give me stuff about admiral.I never worked with him. I have no idea what he is doing. And I am not going to keep taking cases case by case. I already took people on and fixed them , I dont have to keep proving to you that it works.

If you are skeptical and dont believe you can be cured this way. Just dont do any of this. And dont be part of this forum. You can always go to Ray Peats forum or Ghost;s forum and be there. There is a protocol outlined on the first page of this thread. It says exactly what to do. from A to Z. If people chose to do some weird parts of the protocol. Setup weird trials that do some weird parts of the protocol. they will always do it and I have no control over it. Someone can read it and see only salt in it. some can read and see only magnesium and potassium in it. Etc.

I honestly dont get the tone sometimes, like i am a troll making stuff up.
The test group had 18 members to test, 22 in total that watched/discussed, not 5. Most people tried it alot longer than a week.
I have read many logs, the ella/RU logs have very little to do with your protocol post in general. Some other are doing better, like iHatefin, but he is doing other stuff, like R-andro as well. Definately not solely the electrolytes protocol at least.
There are so many hairtests posted on this forum, which have one thing in commen, a question what to do next, as they dont know and apparently dont get official follow-up. Having a critical note about the real results of hair tests is only fair.

Again, i am not saying this to agitate people, but i dont see it as read protocol - get cured.