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[Yura]

Wow I had no idea that the forum is working again.. I missed this forum so much. Where people talk about biochemistry and mechanism instead of debating vegan vs carnivore, low carb vs high carb. I am so tired of that nonsense that is not helpful to individual at all.. Is Helen-Gbolduev posting at all or do we know that he is doing good at least? I was just reading some comments from 8 years ago and I wanted to cry.. I am basically in the same place. Stuck at the same place. Just getting older and sicker. I have some serious blockages in my veins probably due to excess of oxidative stress.. Probably still having copper toxicity with very low serum copper.. Once the forum stopped I was on Gran Genereux forum. Doing low vit A for 8 years now. It think it helped, but I got so focused on detoxing vit A that I completely forget about copper. I was eating a lot of buckwheat with rice and red meat. Buckwheat is super high in copper.. I did 2 hair tests in 21 and 23 I think, but I followed their rec. supplements only somewhat. They wanted that I take around 100mg of zinc, 3mg of copper, 20mg of manganese etc. I was like this is insane so I just kept taking some normal lower doses, but basically getting nowhere.. I did also some liver flushes without any results almost nothing came out. Felt like shit so I stopped with them. Meanwhile doing stupid stuff getting into a lot of riding bike hard. Probably because of adrenal issues and so when you push the body you fell good after that.. Fortunately I crashed somewhat hard into a car. Some scars nothing broken. So that was wake up call. I stopped biking. I started with sports betting instead.. Insane mental stress for whole year. Fortunately stopped.. Here I am 39yo looking like shit. More spider veins, skin overall like 90yo guy.. Also developed alopecia barbea.. I did some blood testing. Low copper, low ceruloplasmin at least free copper none.. It looks like copper deficiency, but I am sure on hair test it would show high calcium, low potassium and sodium.. I have issues doing hair test from Czech Republic. Is there any person that I can contact and make it happen without practitioner? I really need to do HTMA and I will follow the protocol. Now I really have no other choice. I will die if I don't do something lol.. I will start with liver flushes as well. Did one two days ago. Like 2 tbsp of green stones came out. Had insane depression the day after. Now I feel calmer.. I started again taking some T4. Don't know if it's a good idea but my TSH was high like 7-10 and free T4 always on lower side as well.. My thinking process is that making T4 creates a lot of oxidative stress and so if the body can't make it I should take some. But at the same time if the body doesn't want make free T3 from it can just make reverse T3.. For that reason I wouldn't take T3 again.. Anyways Now it is about positive mindset and do the hair test and follow the protocol like I am on the mission and believe that I can get better. Otherwise there is no point for living anymore with body like that..

Btw have you guys seen the new protocol on Ray Peat forum now it is called low toxin forum? Heh they basically don't bother if someone is slow or fast oxidizer. They basically all chelate the shit out of copper and iron with crazy doses of basically all copper antagonists, but so far non of them reported some serious low copper related issues. But for sure I am not taking what they take. That is just insanity hehe.. For now I take 10-15mg of zinc, and like 200mcg of molybdenum 2 times a week and doses like that. I am just scared to do anything drastic at this point..

 

[bruschi11]

Upset reading this. 8 years after start of hack. I’m literally fighting for my life developed neurodegenerative disease cuz I think the worst thing that happened with mineral balanicing is the internet “know it alls” that knew absolutely nothing..

So here’s the kicker. My finding is the whole low vitamin A crowd is lost as it’s about A metabolism which is primarily reliant on NAD, VHL, GTP.

GTP is basically electrolytes protocol + glucose. VHL is the enzyme that runs on iodine and selenium. So natural thyroid.

But iodine and selenium is more of a utilization thing than taking them. It’s actually D receptor which runs on chromium that gets selenium used for t3. And then the bh4 pathway that runs on tyrosine is the key to iodine usage.

Oligoscan helps just as much as htma these days. Plasma amino acids, hormones in blood really help , CMP.

 

[bruschi11]

Ray peat forum approach is simply about activating b6 through the b5 cycle. Which is the bh4 cycle. Which is about iodine utilization.

Basically about making b6 work through zinc but b5 is needed as zinc isn’t enough to make b5 in majority of chronically ill. Biotin too. ECGC keeps nad raised.

While a lot can’t even progress with low hormones.

If a man has low chromium in oligoscan it’s a sign they are lacking the hormone estrone sulfate which retains chromium.

Hence why 4 andro helps some as it helps access estrone sulfate directly.

While many men can’t keep tyrosine (bh4 cycle) up for iodine utilization to make t4. So more of a testo precursor helps there. I’m hoping 1 andro is helping me here .

While things like PTH need to really be looked at as a hormone like t3. It’s really important. I crashed calcium from all my testing. It wasn’t really identifiable except I had low PTH and high strontium in hair showing needs for ca.

It’s all a mess what happened to me. It may be too late for me here. But it may not be too late for you. So I guess I’m covering things you brought up

 

[Yura]

I looked up that oligoscan. It reads what is in tissue of hand? If that is the case I don't think it is helpful for me. Because I know my tissues are running low in copper it is obvious. But I am like 95% sure my liver is LOADED with it.. I had like 20 blood tests of copper and ceruloplasmin over like 10 years. Every time low serum copper, lower ceruloplasmin except 2 times when I had insanely high free copper. I remember that day when I took that test. Had high blood pressure, high heart rate, bleeding nose. Unfortunately I didn't know at that time that I should take high dose vit C, molybdenum which they can effectively lower free copper.. So that free copper damaged a lot my body with oxidative stress.. I had lower chromium on hair test and reading this Chromium Copper DRI/RDA, benefits, side effects, overdose, toxicity, requirements I am taking some chromium. Honestly I don't know about this stuff that deep like you and I am trying to simplify it for myself. Because I know that this thinking to crazy detail or taking some stuff to crazy detail is not working for me. I have to be calm, relaxed so the body is not stiff and bile is flowing. So the body can actually work on its own. I give you example I was in 2022 in Croatia doing summer job and first time in a decade first bowel movement there and I had perfect stool. Bile clearly working like I am completely healthy person.. Come back 3 months later and first bowel movement at home again pale stool floating in toilet. No bile flow at all.. Maybe it was diet more sea food, more fat, but I think it was less stress. Where I live I have stress from family and simply the place and everything here where I live gives me PTSD basically and my adrenals are pumping adrenaline all the time.. So I have to push myself to move so I can be left alone. Be calm and just focus on myself..
Maybe it is the case for you as well? Have you tried to be on some vacation where you don't think about anything and just try to be in a moment? Because really I learned once your body is under mental stress it shuts don't everything in the body.. Gbolduev/Helen was great in talking about biochemistry, but he never talked about the other stuff that is maybe even more important. Because lets be honest our body is much smarter than we are. You can't micro manage every single pathway in your body. You just have to make sure that your body is left alone to do its thing. But most people simply can't left their life full of stress and just relax somewhere in nature on the beach or in cabin in the forest.. Just grounding, walking, breathing properly, eating good food.. Not sitting in front of PC at all stressing about BS 24/7.. I just need hair test to confirm if I am still that slow oxidizer who should start taking more zinc, moly, chromium, manganese or whatever will be low.. But before that I have to move to some apartment where nobody knows me. So my body will feel safe that nobody will want something from me or whatever. Like my sister taking care of her kids or work on her new house or whatever lol.. She is btw also crazy copper toxic as well.. My father who was taking estrogens after prostate cancer surgery as well. It is crazy to be copper toxic and be around copper toxic people. I can't heal in this shit hehe.. Fortunately nobody depends on me so I can leave. It's just hard to make money to do it when you can barely function. I shouldn't sped so much money on useless supplements and just buy 5 month vacation in Croatia. I would be probably fixed by now lol..

 

[manu]

Man I would be very careful with thyroid if you have damaged veins... oxidative stress will damage them even more...

How did your hair test look like? Low in copper?
I have issues with veins as well and for me it showed low always.

 

[Yura]

I didn't have hair test recently. But yes I had 2 tests showing low copper and classic sign of slow oxidizer.. Here is pic. The first test I was taking T4 and the second test I stopped taking it and sodium crashed, calcium go up again. Like I said in my post. I wouldn't take T3 directly because that the body can't regulate, but T4 is not causing directly any oxidative stress it is the opposite actually. The creation of T4 in thyroid creates a lot of oxidative stress.. As you can see I stopped taking T4 according to Gbolduev/Helen and here I am with blocked veins anyways. Because the thing is that iti s well know fat that hypothyroidsm=high cholesterol=cardiovascular disease.. I also have very high Lp(a) which they say is major factor for cardiovascular disease and that it is genetic, but i think it is simply elevated to protect the body.. I think I was hypothyroid as long as I can remember even as a kid. I think it mainly started when they filled my mouth with amalgams. I started having severe gut issues from gluten, dairy, but I kept eating it because I had no idea back in the day. I did some antibodies tested after I stopped all guten and dairy and I had elevated anti TPO so I can imagine how high it must have been during the times I was eating all that gluten.. So I think I have some damage to the thyroid that that's why my free T4 is awalys low.. That and/or because like I said the process of making T4 in the thyroid creates a lot of oxidative stress that I can't handle.. I will take only small dose like 50mcg no more just to keep TSH somewhat in the range and T4 in the middle of reference range.. Also my thinking process why I started taking T4 again is that without thyroid there will be no ceruloplasmin production.. Which is the main thing what I need to have more bioavailable copper and to use it. So my collagen is stronger so the body doesn't have to build up fat and cholesterol and calcium everywhere to plug damaged veins.. I wll focus on lowering stress of any kind and to support glutathion, recycling and metallothionine like Helen said and I will try to contant someone to do new hair test.. + I know now how to know if I dump copper. So I can ofset it with antagonists like molybdenum, vit C, more amino acids from whey protein etc..
edit- I can't post the picture of the hair test don't know why..

 

[manu]

Interesting!
Have you looked into Linus Pauling Protocol?
I think about using it...
Maybe this is something for you as well...

 

[Yura]

Yes especially since I saw a video of some German dr. Who said that Lp(a) goes up when there is scurvy.. I have some lysine and vit C here. But I feel of on higher doses of vit C(sodium ascorbate) there is many issues with high dose lets say over 500mg a day.. It lowers ceruloplasmin in doses 3x500mg daily. It basically kicks the copper out of ceruloplasmin which is the last thing I want and also vit C lowers ADH and ALDH enzymes a lot.. So I take like 300-500mg daily. My issues with collagen are from low bioavailable copper not from low vit C. Another interesting thing that I learned is that people with severe case of scurvy recover just from 500mg daiy for couple of weeks. That shows me that the body really doesn't need much. Yes animals who synthesize vit C synthesize a lot during stress, but their vit C metabolism is completely different. I think in us it has to do with recycling or something that we need much lower doses.. For me it is about figure out all this copper thing.. I know for good copper you need adrenals, thyroid and antioxidants working. Which is a problem when you need bioavailable copper for antioxidants in a first place.. I was thinking about that GHK-Cu peptide. If it can help me.. People repord crazy tissue repair while taking it. But I don't want to make myself even more copper toxic.. Like I said my main issue is to not using stress hormones all the time. It is stress from plce where i live. Issues with money due to not able to keep full time job etc. Vicious circle.. I fucked it hard when I got into that sports betting last year. It fucked up my adrenals so bad. Betting with all my money. I was probably dumping a lot of copper and so my brain wanted to escape to some high adrenaline world which I did lol.. It was so hard to stop it. Crazy addiction.. I am thinking about some workaway or something. Some easy work couple of hours a day for place to stay in some calm place on a farm or something. I think that would help me to start detoxing copper like when I was in Croatia.. But it was 2022 I was able to work in a kitchen there. No way I could do that now.. Btw that's you in avatar photo?

 

[manu]

No it's not me in the avatar lol.
Yes low copper is definitely an issue for veins collagen/elastin but there are different reasons for it. Best to get on ARL which should fix it over time...
I was about 3 years on ARL it improved a lot of things... unfortunately copper did not improve but maybe it just takes more time...

 

[Aleksandr]

@Yura safest bet / longest stood-the-test-of-time / most successes on hackstasis have been: do a hair test + jump on a ARL or TEI protocol, follow the protocol on the hair test that the algorithm spits out (not some custom practitioner BS) + follow the diet recs as much as possible

do that for 2 years. you'll have some ups and downs but you should come out of it much better.


don't fuck yourself up trying random shit, PLEASE!

 

[Yura]

@Aleksandr I know. But I also know to start taking so much minerals you have to have good bile flow. Which I don't have I think due to chronic stress. I think if I took that recommended stack of supplements like insane amounts of zinc, copper, manganese etc.. I would destroy my kidneys probably because if bile flow is not working all the filtration is on kidneys.. For now I am not doing anything stupid. I am trying to have somewhat balanced intake of everything in moderate doses.. Oh I did self bleeding like 350ml of blood like a month ago.. Because my TIBC is always low and ferritin was around 150. Would like to see ferritin under 100 and little higher TIBC.. I was eating too much red meat. Especially while I was on low vit A diet I would eat ground beef a lot.. Now I don't eat any red meat only some chicken thighs here and there but mostly chicken/turkey breast and whey protein for protein.. Anyways I struggle to order that hair test. I had a guy who helped me with them. I just gave him the money and send the hair to ARL labs. 14 days later report came back. Now the guy is not answering emails and I don't know any practitioner here in Czech Republic who could order hair test in ARL or TEI... I cut my hair today. So hopefully I can find someone who helps me with it within a month or so when my hair will be at least 2cm again..

 

[Aleksandr]

"For now I am not doing anything stupid"
> "Oh I did self bleeding like 350ml of blood like a month ago"

mate, sounds a bit sketch.


also, don't they give you digestive aids on the program anyway? you should be OK

i think this guy does global, with ARL: HTMA Profile Two Full Analysis
this guy seems to have more than doubled his price last i looked. a much cheaper option is this guy , just get 'HTMA only'

you just order it, print it off, cut the hair, and post it to the US yourself, then he sends you the results once he gets them. no consult needed, so you can just use the algorithm supps advice

 

[Yura]

@Aleksandr digestive aids you mean to support bile flow? Nothing works for me. I tried everything. Like I said only think that worked was move to different country away from my stressful family lol.. Nothing sketchy about self bleeding. I did it many times. I can't donate blood due to my low white blood cells, often elevated liver enzymes etc.. + they use 16g needle so they don't damage the red blood cells, but they damage your veins instead with that huge needle lol.. I use 18g. There is no better way to lower iron than blood loss.. Before I tried it first time I was afraid. But once I saw this video I was like I can do that as well..

Btw you ordered from that guy that does it for 135 dollars? How I know he will not fuck me over? I can't look him up on that page. WHere is some info about him.
What about this website? Hair Analysis: Test Your Nutritional and Toxic Elements Btw what should I get TEI or ARL? I am somewhat familiar with ARL< but TEI with all he extra elements I would be lost looking at it. But people say their program is better? Like in copper toxicity they don't give copper etc.?

Bw I am reading some reddit
"I just had one run and the results made me more confused than before. Then it dawned on me that our water here is incredibly hard, with a very high calcium content. I am pretty sure my results were skewed and inaccurate based on that. Has anyone had anything similar? How do you get accurate results otherwise? I don't think a simple distilled water rinse is enough to negate 3 months of showering in hard water."
"Right? My calcium was super high and my zinc was the highest normal. I also happen to use a dandruff shampoo....aka zinc. If our hair can absorb color, smoke etc does it not make sense it can absorb what's in our water? I have no idea where to go from here."

Same case for me. We have super hard water. Have to use citric acid in my electric kettle for boiling water to dissolve calcium buildup like every 3 days..

 

[Aleksandr]

@Aleksandr digestive aids you mean to support bile flow? Nothing works for me. I tried everything. Like I said only think that worked was move to different country away from my stressful family lol.. Nothing sketchy about self bleeding. I did it many times. I can't donate blood due to my low white blood cells, often elevated liver enzymes etc.. + they use 16g needle so they don't damage the red blood cells, but they damage your veins instead with that huge needle lol.. I use 18g. There is no better way to lower iron than blood loss.. Before I tried it first time I was afraid. But once I saw this video I was like I can do that as well..

Btw you ordered from that guy that does it for 135 dollars? How I know he will not fuck me over? I can't look him up on that page. WHere is some info about him.
What about this website? Hair Analysis: Test Your Nutritional and Toxic Elements Btw what should I get TEI or ARL? I am somewhat familiar with ARL< but TEI with all he extra elements I would be lost looking at it. But people say their program is better? Like in copper toxicity they don't give copper etc.?

Bw I am reading some reddit
"I just had one run and the results made me more confused than before. Then it dawned on me that our water here is incredibly hard, with a very high calcium content. I am pretty sure my results were skewed and inaccurate based on that. Has anyone had anything similar? How do you get accurate results otherwise? I don't think a simple distilled water rinse is enough to negate 3 months of showering in hard water."
"Right? My calcium was super high and my zinc was the highest normal. I also happen to use a dandruff shampoo....aka zinc. If our hair can absorb color, smoke etc does it not make sense it can absorb what's in our water? I have no idea where to go from here."

Same case for me. We have super hard water. Have to use citric acid in my electric kettle for boiling water to dissolve calcium buildup like every 3 days..

It should be fine, that guy is Luke Pryor, people have used him before here afaik. He's on youtube too.

Hard water will affect your minerals, if it's that full of calcium you need to balance. Filtered or spring water i imagine would help

 

[Yura]

Are you talking about effect minerals in hair or systemically in the body? I am talking about if I wash my hair in that water will be the hair test misleading due to that hard water.. I don't care about calcium when I am drinking it. I need calcium. I don't eat dairy. Yeah I know that guy actually. I was watching his videos many years ago, THe funny thing is he doesn't look balanced at all. Same thing that other guy his friend ginger guy. He got fat as fuck.. I would expect from practitioner to have some serious transformations but not for the worse lol..

 

[RebelWithACause]

Good to see you back , your posts back then actually helped me a bit to make sense of things back then. I agree a lot of the HTMA guys don't look healthy. Deep Healing Space guys at least. But I've seen some guys who do. Who also did HTMA. I dont remember the guys name but he also was posted on Deep Healing Space he looked much better big improvements.

 

[Yura]

I think those guys crashed their metabolism during balancing. Wilson is all abou eating nothing but cooked veggies and meat and little carbs like blue corn chips. I mean you can't eat even 2000kcal on veggies and meat without added fats which they don't add as slow oxidizers.. You can see that ginger guy how skinny he was and after that inflated like crazy.. That is JoJo dieting..

 

[RebelWithACause]

I think those guys crashed their metabolism during balancing. Wilson is all abou eating nothing but cooked veggies and meat and little carbs like blue corn chips. I mean you can't eat even 2000kcal on veggies and meat without added fats which they don't add as slow oxidizers.. You can see that ginger guy how skinny he was and after that inflated like crazy.. That is JoJo dieting..

I agree I could do that diet for like 2 years max. then started having problems and actually blew up. I was very skinny on that diet for a while and then boom got fat and insulin resistance type symptoms. I also know Luke Pryor drinks beers and stuff which people often do when they are stressed. Clearly glucose deprived and a bad metabolism

 

[Aleksandr]

Are you talking about effect minerals in hair or systemically in the body? I am talking about if I wash my hair in that water will be the hair test misleading due to that hard water.. I don't care about calcium when I am drinking it. I need calcium. I don't eat dairy. Yeah I know that guy actually. I was watching his videos many years ago, THe funny thing is he doesn't look balanced at all. Same thing that other guy his friend ginger guy. He got fat as fuck.. I would expect from practitioner to have some serious transformations but not for the worse lol..

Systemically. Not sure hard water is the bioavailable calcium

Lol gaining weight might be more about eating too much though but I get what you mean. They both have kids now so probs a bit of stress eating from that. Dr Wilson been on it way longer than them but he wasn't overweight, and a lot of other practitioners aren't.

 

[Aleksandr]

I agree I could do that diet for like 2 years max. then started having problems and actually blew up. I was very skinny on that diet for a while and then boom got fat and insulin resistance type symptoms. I also know Luke Pryor drinks beers and stuff which people often do when they are stressed. Clearly glucose deprived and a bad metabolism

Interesting, did you lose the weight after?