ZINC FINGER THEORY DISCUSSION for PFS - 2 cases

[mattyb]

So anyone understood the mistery of how to get out from ALKALOSIS?

I literally wrote an entire protocol a few days ago on how to do this for contraction alkalosis in this thread. The only difference for expansion alkalosis is that you should add lysine HCl or ace.

 

[mattyb]

I should add r andro in that list but right know I am perfectly healthy, I can eat and do anything I want, cfs is gone, hair even grew back from randro, personality is normal with even the worst sides of my self returning, and anxiety is gone. In some aspects I am better than before, but my labido is still lagging. It's like my body needs to just flip the switch.

My erections quality is almost perfect and easily maintainable. I would say I am out of alkalosis but need to let my hormones get back in complete balance. Labido always seems to be the last thing.

Before ru, randro, herbs, whey, and Pottassium chloride I had dark circles under my eyes, sunken in eyes, dry skin, ibs, impotent, hair loss, and liver pain. There was also a couple of times were had pain around my liver that made me fall to floor and start puking bile.

I may not be 100% out of alkalosis but I am pretty close.

This is great to hear. I'm not surprised whey helped, but it's still very interesting. It's high in aspartic acid and lysine.

I bet you that libido would come back even with a short fast. All you need to do is make the body chase a dopamine high by removing food stimulus and your libido will come back raging.

 

[wuf]

This is in your log. Mag/zinc/b6 raise potassium so i figured it out

I remember there was something more, but I don't remember what it was. This is not the complete list.
But thank you.

 

[Goose12]

The Randro made your hair grow back?? I thought r andro did the opposite. thats interesting. Im happy to hear about your progress. im trying to get rid of the dark circles under my eyes too. on most days my energy is through the roof, so im good in that aspect too.

Sorry, worded that wrong. The hair I lost from r andro grew back after stopping it. I think ru helped with my hair also. I took saw palmetto for an enlarged prostate, hair loss was never an issue. I didn't start losing hair until after pfs.

Zinc, histadine, vitamin c, manganese, and greens all helped with dark circles. I am almost positive it's from copper toxicity.

 

[Goose12]

This is great to hear. I'm not surprised whey helped, but it's still very interesting. It's high in aspartic acid and lysine.

I bet you that libido would come back even with a short fast. All you need to do is make the body chase a dopamine high by removing food stimulus and your libido will come back raging.

How long of a fast would you think I would need to do? I have been want to do a fast but I didn't know if it was the right thing to do at the moment.

 

[tanedout]

I should add r andro in that list but right know I am perfectly healthy, I can eat and do anything I want, cfs is gone, hair even grew back from randro, personality is normal with even the worst sides of my self returning, and anxiety is gone. In some aspects I am better than before, but my labido is still lagging. It's like my body needs to just flip the switch.

My erections quality is almost perfect and easily maintainable. I would say I am out of alkalosis but need to let my hormones get back in complete balance. Labido always seems to be the last thing.

Before ru, randro, herbs, whey, and Pottassium chloride I had dark circles under my eyes, sunken in eyes, dry skin, ibs, impotent, hair loss, and liver pain. There was also a couple of times were had pain around my liver that made me fall to floor and start puking bile.

I may not be 100% out of alkalosis but I am pretty close.

Did you take R-Andro alongside the other sups, but like potassium chloride etc, or a separate R-Andro cycle like in CD's protocol?

I get the liver/galbladder pain too, but this is totally resolved by taking UDCA or TUDCA. As an alternative Tribulus seems to be great to stimulate bile flow (very bitter herb)

 

[mattyb]

How long of a fast would you think I would need to do? I have been want to do a fast but I didn't know if it was the right thing to do at the moment.

Just try a day or two of water fasting at first to see how it feels. Then if it's okay you can bump it up on your next attempt.

I usually just do 2-3 day fasts maybe once a month. But that's just because the long fasts really don't suit my lifestyle.

 

[Canari]

So anyone understood the mistery of how to get out from ALKALOSIS?

I am lost as Ii thought tissue alkalosis of the slow oxidizers was going hand in hand with too much CO2!
But if too much CO2 is acidosis.... then I have too little co2 and should return to Buteyko breathing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I need a definitive explanation of the correlation of blood, tissue (as they tell you in the hair test), inside cell and outside cell.... When they tell you "tissue", WHAT is it?

 

[Canari]

I literally wrote an entire protocol a few days ago on how to do this for contraction alkalosis in this thread. The only difference for expansion alkalosis is that you should add lysine HCl or ace.

Just we need to know in what "box" we are.... And connect with all points of life style including the breathing we need . And I did not see it in this thread! It gets lost in the pages... And I cannot say I am absent from the forum... lol

 

[Goose12]

Did you take R-Andro alongside the other sups, but like potassium chloride etc, or a separate R-Andro cycle like in CD's protocol?

I get the liver/galbladder pain too, but this is totally resolved by taking UDCA or TUDCA. As an alternative Tribulus seems to be great to stimulate bile flow (very bitter herb)

I followed cd's protocol when taking randro. I still took cds daily supps which were whey, spurlina, chorella, and vitamin d.

 

[Kiwiii]

Where to get histidine in EU?

 

[wuf]

I followed cd's protocol when taking randro. I still took cds daily supps which were whey, spurlina, chorella, and vitamin d.

Whey..do you mean protein whey?

 

[wuf]

I literally wrote an entire protocol a few days ago on how to do this for contraction alkalosis in this thread. The only difference for expansion alkalosis is that you should add lysine HCl or ace.

at which post are you refferring to? Could you post it again for me and @Canari who lost it? Thanks

 

[Helen]

at which post are you refferring to? Could you post it again for me and @Canari who lost it? Thanks

You can read the posts just 2 pages back.

 

[hairloser]

I should add r andro in that list but right know I am perfectly healthy, I can eat and do anything I want, cfs is gone, hair even grew back from randro, personality is normal with even the worst sides of my self returning, and anxiety is gone. In some aspects I am better than before, but my labido is still lagging. It's like my body needs to just flip the switch.

My erections quality is almost perfect and easily maintainable. I would say I am out of alkalosis but need to let my hormones get back in complete balance. Labido always seems to be the last thing.

Before ru, randro, herbs, whey, and Pottassium chloride I had dark circles under my eyes, sunken in eyes, dry skin, ibs, impotent, hair loss, and liver pain. There was also a couple of times were had pain around my liver that made me fall to floor and start puking bile.

I may not be 100% out of alkalosis but I am pretty close.

You had MPB and your hair regrew? Do you have any pictures?

 

[Goose12]

You had MPB and your hair regrew? Do you have any pictures?

I only have a slight receding hair line, but when I took randro my hair fell out like crazy. I was to the point of shaving my head but luckily after stopping r andro the hair lost from it came back.

I went up to 800mgs of r andro for a while. I would wake up in the morning with my pillow covered in hair.

In my case r andro hairloss wasn't permanent.

 

[Helen]

Guys. It will be impossible to look into everyone's case here and give advice. I took one person and fixed him. He seems to be fixed for a long time already. this is to show you that this is not permanent and it is fixable. this is a simple imbalance. My advice to you , instead of experimenting yourself. Just follow ARL program for 2-3 months. After that time you can quit the program. I see many different cases here and to go thru case by case and you buying random supplements will run you a lot more expensive than to follow ARL.

I get upset when people take wrong supplement, and I dont blame you. You simply dont' know. But I cant balance people case by case. it is impossible.

If I were you I would follow the advice of the balancing company.
It would be much much better than you taking totally random supplements. If ARL is wrong in 20% cases. You are wrong in 80%. Fixing one thing and making another major problem in another part of your system.

I wrote a a simple system to try to fix this universally. It is basically electrolytes plus protein. plus some organic mineral supplement . CDnuts protocol implemenents a lot of it. But unfortunately , it does nothing to fix alkalsosis. Thus all that stuff takes so very long. like years. cant blame him he does not know what worked for him , that is why you have to rotate everything that he took.

MattyB and I we outlined the way to fix alklalosis. It is quite simple.
use protein ( could be whey powder or essential aminos) plus electrolytes. Chlroide and electrolytes are the most important thing. Without them you cant get rid of alkalosis.

It is very easy for someone who has basic understanding of what to do here. but most people here have no clue, thus I recommend to you . Go follow ARL initial program . and then quit it and just eat healthy. But ARL will fix your alkalosis state. in a month since it is the most simple imbalance.

 

[Helen]

there are a lot more complex diseases than imbalances caused by taking hormones and drugs. Some people have diseases from birth. LIke most POIS people have. Those people never took the drug to unbalance them, they were born with it. So that is a mutation. and to fix that mutation , then you need years of proper balancing, or you have to find a stilt to support your imbalance.


Also no matter what studies tell you about PFS you should understand that neurosteroids are either HIGH or LOW in PFS. we have 2 cases here. Both high and low allopregnenolone causes similar but a little bit different symptoms. This is why you see high DHT , high testosterone cases vs low DHT and low testosterone case. This is why Melcangi and all other people talk about mysterious 5 ar 1 in the brain etc. It is not about that. it is about high and low ALLO.

This is why r andro helps some people. and makes others worse since andro inhibits NADPH.

If you have potassium deficiency and alkalosis progesterone simply does not want to be converted into neurosteroids. Thus you need to fix that potassium and chloride deficiencies and amino acids deficiency and it will goes away,

Very simple you are missing amino acids, CORTISOL is raised, you are missing potassium progesterone is raised. you give both of these , then body can use NAPDH to convert them to its metabolites, and this will increase your 5 alpha reductase and you will have zero problems.


But in case number 2 , this will be bad. In case number 2 you need to lower NAPDH. and give your body more progesterone

 

[Admiral]

Perfectly understandable! But, to be honest, I just took hair, blood and urine tests for a combined 1100 Euro’s because you specifically mentioned we should measure stuff in order to be (possibly) cured. I hope they will be of use still.

 

[Nina]

there are a lot more complex diseases than imbalances caused by taking hormones and drugs. Some people have diseases from birth. LIke most POIS people have. Those people never took the drug to unbalance them, they were born with it. So that is a mutation. and to fix that mutation , then you need years of proper balancing, or you have to find a stilt to support your imbalance.


Also no matter what studies tell you about PFS you should understand that neurosteroids are either HIGH or LOW in PFS. we have 2 cases here. Both high and low allopregnenolone causes similar but a little bit different symptoms. This is why you see high DHT , high testosterone cases vs low DHT and low testosterone case. This is why Melcangi and all other people talk about mysterious 5 ar 1 in the brain etc. It is not about that. it is about high and low ALLO.

This is why r andro helps some people. and makes others worse since andro inhibits NADPH.

If you have potassium deficiency and alkalosis progesterone simply does not want to be converted into neurosteroids. Thus you need to fix that potassium and chloride deficiencies and amino acids deficiency and it will goes away,

Very simple you are missing amino acids, CORTISOL is raised, you are missing potassium progesterone is raised. you give both of these , then body can use NAPDH to convert them to its metabolites, and this will increase your 5 alpha reductase and you will have zero problems.


But in case number 2 , this will be bad. In case number 2 you need to lower NAPDH. and give your body more progesterone

Why dont you just make the ‘big post’ you promised on ray peat forum about the ~20 oxidation types and be done with it. You are making it hard on yourself by not doing it and instead discussing things all the time. Takes a lot of time