ZINC FINGER THEORY DISCUSSION for PFS - 2 cases

[Vida]

Sorry, but I have no ability to live on this forum. I steered people in a direction. I showed that that direction works. Now you need to go and get balanced. I have no ability nor time to answer questions via PM. I usually don't answer Pms at all. People just write me Pms asking this or that. I have no clue, I dont have your tests. I dont have your labs. I don't guess. And I am not going to look at the labs, since I DO NOT BALANCE PEOPLE.

Mattyb and I outlined alklalosis fixing protocols, They are all in this thread. Plus there are protocols for slow and fast oxidizers, plus there is a thread with possible treatments all outlined @Tubzy( People cant see it for some reason)

So stop this decency talk. It is not decent that you expect me to sit here answering your questions. I am a healthy person with my own life. I am not a doctor and I am not planning to become one , or practice medicine. I mentioned this million times already.

I gave all the people the way out. Go do it. And stop making me your practitioner

if I took 1-2 people from here and fixed them, it does not mean I will sit here and keep fixing people one by one.

I said

1) ZInc finger protocol, HCL, aminos, brewest yeast( All outlined @TubZy)
2) ARL = program created by a computer specific to you , Will fix your SHBG and all other stuff.
3) Alkalosis protocol, plus fasting. outlined many times in this thread.


@TubZy People don't seem to see the outline you have and keep asking me questions. Sorry I won't be able to answer them, since most of your questions just don't make any sense and I 'm not going to spend hours explaining to you why. You have high SHBG, that is a metabolic problem ,not SHBG problem.( nettle root does not fix metabolic problem)

Thanx, was it hard for you to tell this back in PM? Dont expect you or anyone else here to heal me, I participate mostly on this forum to get clues on how to proceed next on the road to recovery so I can heal myself. You came on RPF and we are many that has followed to this forum because of that. Just dont get you though and what your motives are. You say you are healthy and go on a forum with these theories, then you say that you are not here to fix anyone, that you will fix a few, then that you get so many and too many questions, and all this talk specifically about ARL and so on. Why are you here then, isn’t it because you find this subject interesting and have a kind soul and want to help people to regain their health back? You outline a whole bunch of ideas and theories regarding thyroid and hormones that speaks to many of us that are not only pfs etc, everyone is not yes-sayer and of course there will be questions coming up from people.

 

[Helen]

Thanx, was it hard for you to tell this back in PM? Dont expect you or anyone else here to heal me, I participate mostly on this forum to get clues on how to proceed next on the road to recovery so I can heal myself. You came on RPF and we are many that has followed to this forum because of that. Just dont get you though and what your motives are. You say you are healthy and go on a forum with these theories, then you say that you are not here to fix anyone, that you will fix a few, then that you get so many and too many questions, and all this talk specifically about ARL and so on. Why are you here then, isn’t it because you find this subject interesting and have a kind soul and want to help people to regain their health back? You outline a whole bunch of ideas and theories regarding thyroid and hormones that speaks to many of us that are not only pfs etc, everyone is not yes-sayer and of course there will be questions coming up from people.

medicine is a hobby to me. I am interested in biochemistry and I have a lab and do my own research. Dealing with patients does not interest me. I posted on RPF just so people can understand that they are different and that one diet or one pack of supplements would not fix or apply to every one.

I get tons of PMs, If I were to answer them I would be answering them all day long. I have my own life and my own interests and dealing with patients is not what interests me. I try to help when I have time. But I'm usually very busy.

I am trying to help here with theoretical part. But I cant hold hands of people. If I were a doctor or a practitioner and make a living doing this. Yes I would be sitting here and helping people. But I don't sell anything, I don't practice medicine, I dont' sell hairtests, I just help as much as I can to steer people in the right direction.

Peat does not sit on the forum. He just wrote some articles that dont even have a protocol in them and then people interpret them as they go .

Matty and I we outlined actual protocols to fix things, and MattyB even offered people to contact him via e-mail to help balance PH.

I was asked to join this forum. I really don't have time for it. And I will help , but it will be on my time.

 

[Admiral]

No need to defend yourself constantly, Gbolduev. I think 99% appreciates what you’re doing over here.

 

[TubZy]

Sorry, but I have no ability to live on this forum. I steered people in a direction. I showed that that direction works. Now you need to go and get balanced. I have no ability nor time to answer questions via PM. I usually don't answer Pms at all. People just write me Pms asking this or that. I have no clue, I dont have your tests. I dont have your labs. I don't guess. And I am not going to look at the labs, since I DO NOT BALANCE PEOPLE.

Mattyb and I outlined alklalosis fixing protocols, They are all in this thread. Plus there are protocols for slow and fast oxidizers, plus there is a thread with possible treatments all outlined @Tubzy( People cant see it for some reason)

So stop this decency talk. It is not decent that you expect me to sit here answering your questions. I am a healthy person with my own life. I am not a doctor and I am not planning to become one , or practice medicine. I mentioned this million times already.

I gave all the people the way out. Go do it. And stop making me your practitioner

if I took 1-2 people from here and fixed them, it does not mean I will sit here and keep fixing people one by one.

I said

1) ZInc finger protocol, HCL, aminos, brewest yeast( All outlined @TubZy)
2) ARL = program created by a computer specific to you , Will fix your SHBG and all other stuff.
3) Alkalosis protocol, plus fasting. outlined many times in this thread.


@TubZy People don't seem to see the outline you have and keep asking me questions. Sorry I won't be able to answer them, since most of your questions just don't make any sense and I 'm not going to spend hours explaining to you why. You have high SHBG, that is a metabolic problem ,not SHBG problem.( nettle root does not fix metabolic problem)

What do you mean they can't see it? That is the first I heard, what is the issue?

 

[TubZy]

Problem is that all most of these protocols are all over the place. I’ve come across the zinc finger protocol multiple times and it looks different each time. Not to mention the dose and durability often misses. I think that we could make progress there still, but I appreciate this site a lot.

Everybody is different, so there’s no cure all protocol, but this thread gave the lot of us hope in that the protocol Sevens used would be posted. We could all add and adjust his our selves, but that would have been a solid base for many of us.

Maybe the protocol was posted and I missed it, my bad if it has.

My only question for @gbolduev is if he would just help me read the bloodtest he specifically adviced PFS sufferers to take. Could barely afford the test so any help would make it a little less painful.

There is no actual "protocol" because like gbol said and my personal experience everyone is different, I.e. zinc finger can be upregulated or downregulated. That is why there is no universal protocol with dosages and everything layed out, it would simply not work that way.

Some people do fine with just histidine and cysteine while others do the full protocol etc. Some people can only handle a little bit of histidine (like me) while others feel better on a higher dose. You see where I am going with this?

That is why it is under an "experimental" protocol thread. My best suggestion to you is look through this thread and the logs of others trying this method and copy what they did and see how you feel using the thread in my signature is a starting point. Then can you can adjust from there based in how you feel. If you think that is too risky to do suggest you get you hair tested via ARL and try and get balanced that way OR the smartest way would be to get tested first, but many people here don't do that and understand that protocols like these are experimental and risks are taken.

 

[Vida]

medicine is a hobby to me. I am interested in biochemistry and I have a lab and do my own research. Dealing with patients does not interest me. I posted on RPF just so people can understand that they are different and that one diet or one pack of supplements would not fix or apply to every one.

I get tons of PMs, If I were to answer them I would be answering them all day long. I have my own life and my own interests and dealing with patients is not what interests me. I try to help when I have time. But I'm usually very busy.

I am trying to help here with theoretical part. But I cant hold hands of people. If I were a doctor or a practitioner and make a living doing this. Yes I would be sitting here and helping people. But I don't sell anything, I don't practice medicine, I dont' sell hairtests, I just help as much as I can to steer people in the right direction.

Peat does not sit on the forum. He just wrote some articles that dont even have a protocol in them and then people interpret them as they go .

Matty and I we outlined actual protocols to fix things, and MattyB even offered people to contact him via e-mail to help balance PH.

I was asked to join this forum. I really don't have time for it. And I will help , but it will be on my time.

Thanx for clarifying, appreciate your knowledge.

 

[Admiral]

There is no actual "protocol" because like gbol said and my personal experience everyone is different, I.e. zinc finger can be upregulated or downregulated. That is why there is no universal protocol with dosages and everything layed out, it would simply not work that way.

Some people do fine with just histidine and cysteine while others do the full protocol etc. Some people can only handle a little bit of histidine (like me) while others feel better on a higher dose. You see where I am going with this?

That is why it is under an "experimental" protocol thread. My best suggestion to you is look through this thread and the logs of others trying this method and copy what they did and see how you feel using the thread in my signature is a starting point. Then can you can adjust from there based in how you feel. If you think that is too risky to do suggest you get you hair tested via ARL and try and get balanced that way OR the smartest way would be to get tested first, but many people here don't do that and understand that protocols like these are experimental and risks are taken.

Yeah, I actually agree with everything you said. I just get lost around here sometimes and I am just not getting my head around this. This is all just going way over my head.

I’ve did the hairtest, though. I lack the smarts and skills to do anything with it. Hence I keep reading and scanning these forums, as depressed as it makes me feel at times. I think a male my age should spend his time better, but ala.

 

[wuf]

medicine is a hobby to me. I am interested in biochemistry and I have a lab and do my own research. Dealing with patients does not interest me. I posted on RPF just so people can understand that they are different and that one diet or one pack of supplements would not fix or apply to every one.

I get tons of PMs, If I were to answer them I would be answering them all day long. I have my own life and my own interests and dealing with patients is not what interests me. I try to help when I have time. But I'm usually very busy.

I am trying to help here with theoretical part. But I cant hold hands of people. If I were a doctor or a practitioner and make a living doing this. Yes I would be sitting here and helping people. But I don't sell anything, I don't practice medicine, I dont' sell hairtests, I just help as much as I can to steer people in the right direction.

Peat does not sit on the forum. He just wrote some articles that dont even have a protocol in them and then people interpret them as they go .

Matty and I we outlined actual protocols to fix things, and MattyB even offered people to contact him via e-mail to help balance PH.

I was asked to join this forum. I really don't have time for it. And I will help , but it will be on my time.

What you say is 100%fine since you'e a free person with your own life and you can decide what to do..fixing us or not.
BUT telling you don't have time..sorry, that's a bullshit. You have spent 5 months speaking to us about something we even can't understand. And now you don't have time to fix guys or give them straight tips in each log?...instead of general conversation you could type letters in each logs to fix us.
it's not about time.time . Maybe it's about responsibility to suggest the wrong thing to each one.??

 

[TubZy]

Yeah, I actually agree with everything you said. I just get lost around here sometimes and I am just not getting my head around this. This is all just going way over my head.

I’ve did the hairtest, though. I lack the smarts and skills to do anything with it. Hence I keep reading and scanning these forums, as depressed as it makes me feel at times. I think a male my age should spend his time better, but ala.

Agreed, but I think that is why he said to go through ARL so the computer just does it for you instead of trying to interpret on your own. But if you still willing to experiment I put together a very experimental protocol for zinc finger in this thread a while back if you wanted to start somewhere.

 

[Jaxx]

I see the potential use of the test, if this is a way to get cured i wonder. Havent seen any proof of that on any forum so-far. Maybe someone has examples of a succes story here?

 

[Helen]

What you say is 100%fine since you'e a free person with your own life and you can decide what to do..fixing us or not.
BUT telling you don't have time..sorry, that's a bullshit. You have spent 5 months speaking to us about something we even can't understand. And now you don't have time to fix guys or give them straight tips in each log?...instead of general conversation you could type letters in each logs to fix us.
it's not about time.time . Maybe it's about responsibility to suggest the wrong thing to each one.??

Sorry, guys. I will be taking some time off this forum. This is not going the way I like it. I am going circles here. Just 2 posts ago I posted what people should do , and you again tell me about some personal logs. I won't post here much. this interferes with my business and my life. It is not good for me. And yes I already spent 5 months talking to you wuf. And from your questions asked I understand it was a waste of time . If you cant understand it ,then go get a doctor who can understand what I write.
My writings were addressed to people who can understand them which I already mentioned 2 pages ago..


This forum has gazillion pages of information posted by me. Go read it. Stop asking me questions that I already answered many times or asking me about protocols that I already gave you but you forgot it although it is written out in your own log.

It is totally unheard of you asking me the same protocol 2-3 times. And telling me that you can't find it , and asking me to write it out again? what am I to you , a personal doctor, ask ASK JEEVS engine? I have a business and this forum already took a chunk of my attention. I said I would post here only on holidays, this is what it is going to be from now on.


@Nina I covered CFS, POIS , PSSD and all other things many times over. You can read it all in my posts. I am not going to constantly repeat this stuff over and over again.

 

[TubZy]

What you say is 100%fine since you'e a free person with your own life and you can decide what to do..fixing us or not.
BUT telling you don't have time..sorry, that's a bullshit. You have spent 5 months speaking to us about something we even can't understand. And now you don't have time to fix guys or give them straight tips in each log?...instead of general conversation you could type letters in each logs to fix us.
it's not about time.time . Maybe it's about responsibility to suggest the wrong thing to each one.??

Dude, he gave you a million things to try and worked with you a bunch of times in your specific case before, you just never listen and want to switch between 10 different protocols, what are you talking about? You are like on 10 different protocols at once, you post one thing here and then you are swole source saying you are taking something completely different during the same exact day. So you are mad at him for not playing doctor here in his free time with every single log here in which he gets absolutely nothing out of it? You don't even take his advice when he does it give it to you. He doesn't sell anything, he doesn't ask for money, absolutely nothing. It is simple if you are frustrated with and don't want his advice, don't ask and move on, go somewhere else like a real doctor then, if you want some definite answers...

Continue with CD's protocol like you have been doing, no offense but this kind of stuff isn't for you.

 

[Nina]

Sorry, guys. I will be taking some time off this forum. This is not going the way I like it. I am going circles here. Just 2 posts ago I posted what people should do , and you again tell me about some personal logs. I won't post here much. this interferes with my business and my life. It is not good for me. And yes I already spent 5 months talking to you wuf. And from your questions asked I understand it was a waste of time . If you cant understand it ,then go get a doctor who can understand what I write.
My writings were addressed to people who can understand them which I already mentioned 2 pages ago..


This forum has gazillion pages of information posted by me. Go read it. Stop asking me questions that I already answered many times or asking me about protocols that I already gave you but you forgot it although it is written out in your own log.

It is totally unheard of you asking me the same protocol 2-3 times. And telling me that you can't find it , and asking me to write it out again? what am I to you , a personal doctor, ask ASK JEEVS engine? I have a business and this forum already took a chunk of my attention. I said I would post here only on holidays, this is what it is going to be from now on.


@Nina I covered CFS, POIS , PSSD and all other things many times over. You can read it all in my posts. I am not going to constantly repeat this stuff over and over again.

?? Why are u telling me this. I didnt even ask. I understand the things u say, all i needed from you was some clarity on what your plan is and we ended that discussion yesterday already.

 

[wuf]

Dude, he gave you a million things to try and worked with you a bunch of times in your specific case before, you just never listen and want to switch between 10 different protocols, what are you talking about? You are like on 10 different protocols at once, you post one thing here and then you are swole source saying you are taking something completely different during the same exact day. So you are mad at him for not playing doctor here in his free time with every single log here in which he gets absolutely nothing out of it? You don't even take his advice when he does it give it to you. He doesn't sell anything, he doesn't ask for money, absolutely nothing. It is simple if you are frustrated with and don't want his advice, don't ask and move on, go somewhere else like a real doctor then, if you want some definite answers...

Continue with CD's protocol like you have been doing, no offense but this kind of stuff isn't for you.

wich advice he gave me?
magnesium - zinc- b6 and a little of potassium?
I am on no protocol at all. I said I wanted to start cdnuts protocol again but finally I didnt, so I am on no protocol at all. What stuff is not for me?
He just suggested me once to use mag,zinc,b6 and potassium.
Plus I am defending him to say he is free to do what he wants, since he is a free person but the true reason is not because he has no time since he has been here helping from 5 months, I am guessing there is another reason he doesnt want to fix people directly and maybe one reason could be he doesnt want the responsability to that.

 

[wuf]

Sorry, guys. I will be taking some time off this forum. This is not going the way I like it. I am going circles here. Just 2 posts ago I posted what people should do , and you again tell me about some personal logs. I won't post here much. this interferes with my business and my life. It is not good for me. And yes I already spent 5 months talking to you wuf. And from your questions asked I understand it was a waste of time . If you cant understand it ,then go get a doctor who can understand what I write.
My writings were addressed to people who can understand them which I already mentioned 2 pages ago..


This forum has gazillion pages of information posted by me. Go read it. Stop asking me questions that I already answered many times or asking me about protocols that I already gave you but you forgot it although it is written out in your own log.

It is totally unheard of you asking me the same protocol 2-3 times. And telling me that you can't find it , and asking me to write it out again? what am I to you , a personal doctor, ask ASK JEEVS engine? I have a business and this forum already took a chunk of my attention. I said I would post here only on holidays, this is what it is going to be from now on.


@Nina I covered CFS, POIS , PSSD and all other things many times over. You can read it all in my posts. I am not going to constantly repeat this stuff over and over again.

That's fine.
I am not for this stuff as @TubZy says and you says, I can not understand as many can't..maybe you're right.
By the way, I never run (for a long time) your "protocol" cause you suggested me that in a very old post in RP and it was even not a real suggestion based on me, at least that was the feeling I had... that's why I kept asking you many times to help me. I guess the help you gave to the 2 guys you fixed and the help you gave to Tubzy as well, was costant and would tell them to try something more after a while with continue update...
That's the reason I kept asking you help..you also know that zinc-mag-potassium-b6 is not the cure for me....what should I keep taking them for ever?
That's why I keep asking what's next.. but you Always ignored me cause you didn't like me to ask you what's next.
ZINC MAG B6 POTASSIUM didn't cure me, so I was asking to you more help. Is that a crime? It seems ppl asking for help are committing a crime...

 

[TubZy]

wich advice he gave me?
magnesium - zinc- b6 and a little of potassium?
I am on no protocol at all. I said I wanted to start cdnuts protocol again but finally I didnt, so I am on no protocol at all. What stuff is not for me?
He just suggested me once to use mag,zinc,b6 and potassium.
Plus I am defending him to say he is free to do what he wants, since he is a free person but the true reason is not because he has no time since he has been here helping from 5 months, I am guessing there is another reason he doesnt want to fix people directly and maybe one reason could be he doesnt want the responsability to that.

Much more than that, it is all in your own log, he has personally directed you what to do multiple times both public and private WUF Log

Dude, he has helped even before here on RPF too except you just take random crap when he gives you advice like taking herbs that chelate minerals when he told you to take certain minerals and then you end up making yourself worse like your log. Like why can't you just take one thing?

You did the same thing to CDnuts on swole source which is why you got banned from there for a week. You just expect that these people are your doctors and demand time from them and then just go off and your own random route of taking things. Go to a real doctor if you want that. Who cares if he doesn't want to fix everyone directly, that is not your choice. If you don't like it go somewhere else, this forum isn't "Gbol's forum", he owes you and all of us absolutely nothing.

How is the reason not because he doesn't have enough time legit? Are you serious, who in the right mind has all this free time with an active job and lifestyle wants to sit on a forum and just play doctor all day long and get absolutely nothing out of it? I have a full time job and barely have enough time to answer questions and help people too.

Regarding "stuff", I'm talking about experimental protocols where a person or doctor isn't telling you exactly what to do and holding your hand. That is why I said to stick with CD's method, it is safer and it seems like you need answers on every single detail for the experimental protocols in order for you to try to something and you want reassurance on everything you do. Unfortunately, experimental protocols don't work that way.

 

[wuf]

Much more than that, it is all in your own log, he has personally directed you what to do multiple times WUF Log

Dude, he has helped even before here on RPF too except you just take random crap when he gives you advice like taking herbs that chelate minerals when he told you to take certain minerals and then you end up making yourself worse like your log.

You did the same thing to CDnuts on swole source which is why you got banned from there for a week. You just expect that these people are your doctors and demand time from them and then just go off and your own random route of taking things. Go to a real doctor if you want that. Who cares if he doesn't want to fix everyone directly, that is not your choice. If you don't like it go somewhere else, this forum isn't "Gbol's forum", he owes you and all of us absolutely nothing.

How is the reason not because he doesn't have enough time legit? Are you serious, who in the right mind has all this free time with an active job and lifestyle wants to sit on a forum and just play doctor all day long and get absolutely nothing out of it? I have a full time job and barely have enough time to help people too.

Regarding "stuff", I'm talking about experimental protocols where a person or doctor isn't telling you exactly what to do and holding your hand. That is why I said to stick with CD's method, it is safer and it seems like you need answers on every single detail for the experimental protocols in order for you to try to something and you want reassurance on everything you do. Unfortunately, experimental protocols don't work that way.

What you say is right.
Not true about the suggestions he gave me about "protocols"..he only told me to try zinc-b6-mag-potassium. Nothing else, he then commented my "errors" in my log. No more, and it is fine, I am not accusing anybody.
He says he has no time? Fine. I just said my opinion about it.. it doesn't look he doesnt have time for the forum since he has been active from 5months.. I am only trying to say him that this time could have been used more strategically to fix people instead of giving so many info that people can't even collect it all together.
I guess 90%of guys over here do not know what to do of that info, but yes, gbold is free person and can chose what he prefers.
I just say, that his precious time could fix me, could fix Others and I would have been more happy.

 

[Slayo]

GUys if you don't understand what Gbold is saying just start studying it, months ago i wasn't understanding anything, now i do understand what he says, start from the material on the arl site, trace elements has good informations too, i have bought dr WIlson book too in order to understand much better HTMA, and i won't start playing with my health once i will be 100% sure of what i'm doing.

Unfortunately i already knew the end of this story, people would make Gbold upset because they pretend pretend pretend without appreciating all the work he has already done for us, what about you start first making the necessary tests and you start studying the theory on your own, then you make the protocoll you feel is good for you and maybe just ask to Gbold for a fast rewiew to see if it is right, in this way he won't spend much time

 

[TubZy]

What you say is right.
Not true about the suggestions he gave me about "protocols"..he only told me to try zinc-b6-mag-potassium. Nothing else, he then commented my "errors" in my log. No more, and it is fine, I am not accusing anybody.
He says he has no time? Fine. I just said my opinion about it.. it doesn't look he doesnt have time for the forum since he has been active from 5months.. I am only trying to say him that this time could have been used more strategically to fix people instead of giving so many info that people can't even collect it all together.
I guess 90%of guys over here do not know what to do of that info, but yes, gbold is free person and can chose what he prefers.
I just say, that his precious time could fix me, could fix Others and I would have been more happy.

Posting on a forum occasionally is completely different from individually helping people on a case by case basis. Working with some one individually is MUCH more time consuming because you are reading and interpreting different people's tests and issues on a case by case basis. There is absolutely no comparison at all as I even get PM's from people and I try to help as much as I can but just posting in a thread is FAR less time consuming even for me. You also don't have to repeat yourself over and over again in PM's when the thread is public. So I do not agree with you just by saying he has posted on a forum for 5 months means he has so much free time.

@wuf please go back and read again Gbolduev's Summary of Quotes & Ideas (all topics)

 

[raven]

There must be some nutritionist or something that utilises the kind of information shared on this forum to help patients case by case? If anyone knows of someone like this in the UK please do let me know.