ZINC FINGER THEORY DISCUSSION for PFS - 2 cases

[TubZy]

Thats basically the idea i told u about earlier today Tubzy, lol

Yeah, I did what you said just now: Protocol & Guide for Improved Health

 

[Aleksandr]

Yeah, I actually agree with everything you said. I just get lost around here sometimes and I am just not getting my head around this. This is all just going way over my head.

I’ve did the hairtest, though. I lack the smarts and skills to do anything with it. Hence I keep reading and scanning these forums, as depressed as it makes me feel at times. I think a male my age should spend his time better, but ala.

Why dont you use this chart to work out what to supplement?

Mineral Interaction Chart - how to treat ALL imbalances with minerals

 

[Steve]

I don't get all the whinging. We have been given heaps of info. We have seen what scenes used. Gbol listed out a lot of ways to deal with it really, especially in his last few posts.

I'll be using the amino acids plus electrolytes path.

I get a huge detox reaction from the amino acids so I'll have to take it slowly. I might be more of a slow burn.

@TubZy how are you coming along with your treatment?

 

[Admiral]

Why dont you use this chart to work out what to supplement?

Mineral Interaction Chart - how to treat ALL imbalances with minerals

Thanks m_arch! I’ve read that thread as well. But increasing a mineral by taking one or two, it automatically decreases another. That and I have quite a few low minerals and I don’t know where to start.

 

[Steve]

there are a lot more complex diseases than imbalances caused by taking hormones and drugs. Some people have diseases from birth. LIke most POIS people have. Those people never took the drug to unbalance them, they were born with it. So that is a mutation. and to fix that mutation , then you need years of proper balancing, or you have to find a stilt to support your imbalance.


Also no matter what studies tell you about PFS you should understand that neurosteroids are either HIGH or LOW in PFS. we have 2 cases here. Both high and low allopregnenolone causes similar but a little bit different symptoms. This is why you see high DHT , high testosterone cases vs low DHT and low testosterone case. This is why Melcangi and all other people talk about mysterious 5 ar 1 in the brain etc. It is not about that. it is about high and low ALLO.

This is why r andro helps some people. and makes others worse since andro inhibits NADPH.

If you have potassium deficiency and alkalosis progesterone simply does not want to be converted into neurosteroids. Thus you need to fix that potassium and chloride deficiencies and amino acids deficiency and it will goes away,

Very simple you are missing amino acids, CORTISOL is raised, you are missing potassium progesterone is raised. you give both of these , then body can use NAPDH to convert them to its metabolites, and this will increase your 5 alpha reductase and you will have zero problems.


But in case number 2 , this will be bad. In case number 2 you need to lower NAPDH. and give your body more progesterone

Question on this. May seem stupid but I will ask it for full clarity and then I have all the info I need from you.

When you say we have potassium and chloride deficiencies, does taking potassium chloride fix both of these issues? Or do we need to supplement pure potassium?

@gbolduev

 

[Canari]

I think pure potassium does not exist.

You are wrong on the swimming stuff being related to health. I already knew he said it for health. I was asking for specifically the zinc finger and pfs. You might be trying to make a separate point, albeit a poor one, but you have used a shocking example to try to do this considering what I was asking was specifically related to the topic, not general health which I already knew what he had written.

I am sorry if you took it personnaly. Even when I quote, I am not always answering just to the person I quote, but I am showing the topic that triggers me to say something. I insist that theory and practise is what should be separated in the forum. Swimming is anyway a practical application. Just please don't take it personaly, it was just the most recent thing I could think about, and it was not so visible and obvious that you were more specific than general.

Agreed, but I think that is why he said to go through ARL so the computer just does it for you instead of trying to interpret on your own.

Well, he also said to not trust them and criticated them.

@Slayo I'm doing a hair mineral test but it's from trace elements inc. not arl, I couldn't see any options for arl in the UK. I hope TE is good enough, they'll still provide detailed analysis and recommendations.

Nobody has answered if both labs were valid or equivalent for their computer suggestions.

@gbolduev when you say ARL, does it mean TEI will not help as much or is a wrong option?

 

[Steve]

I think pure potassium does not exist.

I am sorry if you took it personnaly. Even when I quote, I am not always answering just to the person I quote, but I am showing the topic that triggers me to say something. I insist that theory and practise is what should be separated in the forum. Swimming is anyway a practical application. Just please don't take it personaly, it was just the most recent thing I could think about, and it was not so visible and obvious that you were more specific than general.

Well, he also said to not trust them and criticated them.

Nobody has answered if both labs were valid or equivalent for their computer suggestions.

@gbolduev when you say ARL, does it mean TEI will not help as much or is a wrong option?

There is potassium aspartate.

 

[Canari]

There is potassium aspartate.

Ok, you do not mean pure K but linked to amino instead of salt?
Do you see a specific problem with KCl?

 

[Shadow]

Nice piece of info on the end of this page Handbook of PTSD, Second Edition

"Low allopregnanolone levels potentiate cortisol responses"

 

[Steve]

Ok, you do not mean pure K but linked to amino instead of salt?
Do you see a specific problem with KCl?

No no issue at all. I am happy to take potassium chloride. But he says to feed potassium. I wanted to know whether he meant potassium in a certain form or whether the potassium chloride would do the job for both his feeding of potassium plus electrolytes? @gbolduev

 

[stupidfreak]

is that why Bolotov cured 100 thousands of people from cancer in Russia using tryptophan. He had literally crowds standing to his house. Read his work. that guy is a real scientist who invented his own periodic table and nuclear reactor.

Wasnt bolotov a pseudoscientist?

 

[Helen]

Wasnt bolotov a pseudoscientist?

If you think his isostere table is pseudoscience , then periodic table by Mendeleev is a kindergarten rookie stuff. Bolotov knows stuff. I took a lot from him when I was fighting my cancer. He spoke about certain things 20 years ago, that people talk about just now and things that are on the edge of the modern science., like IDO inhibition.

 

[Kiwiii]

Will all this stuff also fix low energy, anxiety ?

 

[Aleksandr]

Thanks m_arch! I’ve read that thread as well. But increasing a mineral by taking one or two, it automatically decreases another. That and I have quite a few low minerals and I don’t know where to start.

I've decided just to focus on the first 4 'macro minerals' to start with: Calcium, magnesium, sodium and potassium. I've got low calcium, mag and potassium. High sodium. Zinc increases all 3 of my low ones, and magnesium decreases my sodium.


I'm gonna retest in a month and we'll see how this approach has worked I guess.

 

[Admiral]

I've decided just to focus on the first 4 'macro minerals' to start with: Calcium, magnesium, sodium and potassium. I've got low calcium, mag and potassium. High sodium. Zinc increases all 3 of my low ones, and magnesium decreases my sodium.


I'm gonna retest in a month and we'll see how this approach has worked I guess.

Seems like a wise plan.

In that case I should raise magnesium, potassium and sodium. Might use zinc, magnesium. Though that will lower sodium.

I have zinc chelate. Is that a good form to take?

This is mad. Wiss it was more easy.

 

[Steve]

If you think his isostere table is pseudoscience , then periodic table by Mendeleev is a kindergarten rookie stuff. Bolotov knows stuff. I took a lot from him when I was fighting my cancer. He spoke about certain things 20 years ago, that people talk about just now and things that are on the edge of the modern science., like IDO inhibition.

Any chance you could answer my final question in your feed potassium point ie whether we can use potassium chloride for this (which is what we use for the electrolytes) or whether we have to use a different form of potassium?

 

[TubZy]

Any chance you could answer my final question in your feed potassium point ie whether we can use potassium chloride for this (which is what we use for the electrolytes) or whether we have to use a different form of potassium?

I'm not gbol, but in the past most people used/use potassium chloride including me. I used the liquid drops.

 

[RebelWithACause]

I'm trying out l-cysteine and l-histidine together. I also take magnesium citrate 400mg and zinc+copper EOD + drinking OJ. I react more to l-histidine it seems. On thursday I felt like I was going to ejaculate without touching my flaccid penis. Granted I am doing NoFap so the build up is there still it was an annoying feeling.

My stomach feels better after taking these amino acids though. I am going to take them seperate again to really see which makes me feel better/do better.

 

[Jaxx]

Havent read much about PE side effects from protocols here. (Although it is a psss symptom). Low serotonin effect?

 

[Canari]

I have written about an idea to have more space to list different protocols!
You can tell there what you think about it. It would be linked to discussing also the products and supps, and also sources. Until now there was only a sources section, and no section to talk exactly of protocols and products, in a separated way with the brainstorming.
And protocols are had to find in many pages, and there are adjustments etc.

Just as an example because it is the last posted, @RebelWithACause so that I can salute you too as a newcomer, hello... is presenting his chosen protocol.