Antibiotics: If absolutely necessary, which should be used?

[Niles]

I've recently found out I have periodontitis and will be requiring antibiotics to treat it. Are there any specific ones that would be the least harmful in a PFS state, or any ones in particular that should be avoided?

 

[MNK99]

I don't know which ones are "good". I think it's safe to say these should be avoided if at all possible.

"Fluoroquinolones are broad-spectrum antibiotics, including the most widely used of these which are ciprofloxacin, levofloxacin and moxifloxacin. The most serious reactions caused by this class of medication include toxicities of the central nervous system, cardiovascular system, and the musculoskeletal system.Nov 28, 2012"
-Levaquin, Levoflaxin. -- I used this/ had some dangerous thing happen to me briefly.
-I can't say exactly why, but I'd avoid these personally. Although I'm sure I may have taken some. I have taken Levaquin for like a week or 2. I had to.
-Not sure if every single one does, but some of these including levaquin can cause serious post-drug disorders.
Category:Fluoroquinolone antibiotics - Wikipedia

-Also try and avoid any antibiotic that is known to cause SJS (very rare), i.e. sulfa antibiotics:
Stevens-Johnson Syndrome (SJS)

-I'm not trying to scare you @Niles. I'm just saying.

-Some of these might be ok for dental infections (from Google):

• Penicillin VK (Veetids)
• Amoxicillin and clavulanic acid (Augmentin)
• Erythromycin (EES, E-Mycin, Ery-Tab)
• Clindamycin (Cleocin)
• Ampicillin and sulbactam (Unasyn)
• Ticarcillin and clavulanate (Timentin)
• Metronidazole (Flagyl) --- maybe not this one, I've read something bad about it.

Dental Infections in Emergency Medicine Medication: Topical, Antibiotics

-Remember we can't fear every single thing... esp if we need the medication for a legit reason.
I'd ask the same question if I needed something.

-There's a couple dentists/ hygienists here right @Hackstasis?

 

[esp90]

All I can say is that I'm here on this forum because of antibiotics. When I was 13 years old (15 years ago) I took an antibiotic (DALACIN) for 2 months and I have not been the same since. It disrupted my gut microbiome and fucked my gut lining.

 

[TubZy]

Probably the most common/effective and safe one would be minocycline, especially for gum infections. If you need a source I can post it

 

[Niles]

Probably the most common/effective and safe one would be minocycline, especially for gum infections. If you need a source I can post it

Hmm, just did some reading up on minocycline, and side effects are all over the place. It looks to be broad spectrum, can cause CNS sides and autoimmune sides. I think I'll probably go with amoxicillin first, since it has a better safety profile. Definitely wanna be as cautious as possible since I don't have a stable baseline yet.

 

[TubZy]

Hmm, just did some reading up on minocycline, and side effects are all over the place. It looks to be broad spectrum, can cause CNS sides and autoimmune sides. I think I'll probably go with amoxicillin first, since it has a better safety profile. Definitely wanna be as cautious as possible since I don't have a stable baseline yet.

OK, those are mainly in higher doses, but the CNS penetration effects is what makes it more "effective" in treating illness, but amox works too.

I know most of us aren't big on Ray Peat forum but minocycline is one of the most researched and used over there as there was a giant thread about minocycline and gum disease showing its effectiveness.

 

[Niles]

OK, those are mainly in higher doses, but the CNS penetration effects is what makes it more "effective" in treating illness, but amox works too.

I know most of us aren't big on Ray Peat forum but minocycline is one of the most researched and used over there as there was a giant thread about minocycline and gum disease showing its effectiveness.

Thanks man, I'll check out that thread. Yeah, I agree it would he more effective than amoxicillin - I'll probably start with amoxicillin and then use mino if necessary.

 

[Canari]

I might need to decide too... as I have a nerve infection. First I will try coloidal silver, as people mention to have bown away their dentist for treating a jaw infection... I try to save my tooth, even if I have to suffer more days.

for periodontis, I would try something else before antibiotics. It is not urgent.
colloidal silver
oil pulling
or only some coconut or cacao butter eating to coat the teeth....
xylitol rinsing without swallowing. I use some salt with it, or else the sweet taste gives me false hunger.
some essential oil like oregano.
the calcium therapy seems to work, with some chips to put between gums and teeth, and special rinse and toothebrush with calcium Mg and zonc in a special form.

I find i get less pain with this and also pomelo seeds extract and propolis.
I use all I have!
Yesterday I felt alsleep sitting at the market place, to tell you how tired I am...

If I need to get the tooth extracted, then I will need the antibiotic or else the dentist will not want to take the risk, and I do not cheat when I say yes to a contract with somebody.

I get the boomerang a few weeks after antbiotic, always.... so some relay with natural stuff is needed.

 

[Niles]

All I can say is that I'm here on this forum because of antibiotics. When I was 13 years old (15 years ago) I took an antibiotic (DALACIN) for 2 months and I have not been the same since. It disrupted my gut microbiome and fucked my gut lining.

Thanks for the heads up, I'll be sure to avoid that one. I know antibiotics aren't an ideal solution, but this infection is growing rapidly since I'm immunocompromised :/

Found this cool Ben Greenfield post about how to further ensure safety during/after antibiotic treatment: How To Limit Antibiotic Side Effects

 

[TubZy]

Thanks man, I'll check out that thread. Yeah, I agree it would he more effective than amoxicillin - I'll probably start with amoxicillin and then use mino if necessary.

Here is the actual thread (it says tetracycline but they are all part of the same family):

I actually posted it in because my gums were killing me back then from eating a lot of sugar

Tetracycline To Reverse Osteoporosis, Tooth Decay And Periodontal Disease?

 

[IHateFin]

id say get ionic silver from silver100.com
its basically colloidal silver, but a million times more potent and absorbable

 

[Canari]

id say get ionic silver from silver100.com
its basically colloidal silver, but a million times more potent and absorbable

You use it?
I would use colloidal silver externally or mouth wash only, because I do not believe so much in taking this plus the probiotics. I would take it in general way only for something very important.
This one seems to pass in the blood stream directly from the mouth! Whatever avoids guts is better....

 

[IHateFin]

You use it?
I would use colloidal silver externally or mouth wash only, because I do not believe so much in taking this plus the probiotics. I would take it in general way only for something very important.
This one seems to pass in the blood stream directly from the mouth! Whatever avoids guts is better....

i have some and only use it when i feel it is needed, and i havent felt like im getting sick so i havent used it. i gulped it down

 

[snowball]

Doctor just gave me Ciprofloxacin for urinary infection....Is it safe for PFS population?