Super R-Andro Rx - Why does it make me feel like shit now?

[IHateFin]

How long did it take to recover from suppression without enclomid? What kind of symptoms were you noticing, and how severe? Sorry to grill you, lol, just considering a similar cycle in the coming months.

Well hard to say because I felt better than I did after cycle than before so I don't know if I fully recovered since I still had slight inconsistencies with morning wood just as I did before only some of the pumps and mood and all stuck so I'm guessing I recovered but I doubt I got too high test levels wise. But I probably wasn't too high to begin with so I would say I "recovered" after 2 weeks?
Hard to say haha never did bloods and I only felt better post cycle than pre cycle

 

[MNK99]

Nice, thanks. Am I jacking myself up if I keep doses equivalent between the two? I will take ru (as soon as cycle and then PCT are done, and waiting...)
Should I use half as much 4-A as R-A, my estradiol was 37 on a scale of 0-160 (nmol/L or whatever the hell it was), 2-3 weeks ago. I'm not too worried about that but just in case.

 

[IHateFin]

How long did it take to recover from suppression without enclomid? What kind of symptoms were you noticing, and how severe? Sorry to grill you, lol, just considering a similar cycle in the coming months.

I think libido dipped in n out a decent amount after cycle but on cycle it wasn't that great either and some days it shot up high and I felt great! Main symptom was the inconsistent morning wood tbh

 

[Walker]

I never had libido with R Andro during my recovery. I only noticed it big time the first time on my first run of 4/R. It just kinda stuck around after that and improved until I was normal again. Extremely odd.

 

[TubZy]

Of course I have! Lol. Most of them that were on the market going back about a year and a half to two years ago. R andro gave me the best feel and results, so that's why I recommended that one.

I've always said that it had to be something else that PP did with their products because I know people say that the two compounds are the two compounds they used, but they don't feel that way......at all. There has to be some minute differences. Has to be.

That said, even the transdermal androhard from muscle gelz is supposed to be the same ingredients as PP's androhard, but talking to other guys that have run that version said it wasn't even close.

I wish I knew what the differences were.

It would be interesting to see if any other PFSers have tried the old androhard version and see how they felt. Last I checked which was a while ago you could still get the old PP androhard on eBay but would pay an arm and a leg for it lol.

 

[Cdsnuts]

It would be interesting to see if any other PFSers have tried the old androhard version and see how they felt. Last I checked which was a while ago you could still get the old PP androhard on eBay but would pay an arm and a leg for it lol.

I tried looking for it to get another bottle to add to my summer cycle. Wes was able to score 14 units and he sold them for $100 to all the old PP members. I'm psyched I get to run it one more time. If you can find it, let me know.

 

[Walker]

I think libido dipped in n out a decent amount after cycle but on cycle it wasn't that great either and some days it shot up high and I felt great! Main symptom was the inconsistent morning wood tbh

There's no suppression from the 4-Andro compound that would ever require clomid like the original poster mentioned. Most everyone I know that runs it locally, just uses an OTC PTC (herbs thrown into one formula with Armistane or some other OTC AI).

 

[Cdsnuts]

Clomid is over-kill for these compounds and could even be detrimental.

 

[TubZy]

I tried looking for it to get another bottle to add to my summer cycle. Wes was able to score 14 units and he sold them for $100 to all the old PP members. I'm psyched I get to run it one more time. If you can find it, let me know.

I personally don't have any interest in it and not planning to use it any time soon, but I will keep an eye out for it on ebay.

 

[TubZy]

Clomid is over-kill for these compounds and could even be detrimental.

Yeah, way overkill and unnecessary.

 

[IHateFin]

clomid is garbage, but enclomid is where its at. i bet enclomid 12.5mg to 25mg every night plus 2.5mg of ru EOD would do a lot of good

 

[Niles]

clomid is garbage, but enclomid is where its at. i bet enclomid 12.5mg to 25mg every night plus 2.5mg of ru EOD would do a lot of good

Have you experimented with microdosing RU?

 

[IHateFin]

Have you experimented with microdosing RU?

yes, i have been icro dosing for the last week and 1/2 and man its pretty awesome. if prog antagonism is what we want than 2.5 or 2mg of ru does the job. it gives me energy and puts me in an amazing mood once it kicks in when the estrogen increases. im gunna try the enclomid plus micro ru pct to see if this helps me a lot. also trying licorice root once a week. i have only taken it once so far on tuesday at 1/8 tsp and man that was a good day. libido has been really really good this week too overall.

 

[Niles]

yes, i have been icro dosing for the last week and 1/2 and man its pretty awesome. if prog antagonism is what we want than 2.5 or 2mg of ru does the job. it gives me energy and puts me in an amazing mood once it kicks in when the estrogen increases. im gunna try the enclomid plus micro ru pct to see if this helps me a lot. also trying licorice root once a week. i have only taken it once so far on tuesday at 1/8 tsp and man that was a good day. libido has been really really good this week too overall.

Interesting stuff man, maybe I'll try md'ing RU before jumping on a 3-day 50mg cycle. Thanks for playing guinea pig lol.

For guys that had success on licorice root, wasn't it more of a snapback scenario though? Like, feel worse the day you take it?

 

[IHateFin]

@Niles
yeah i really think micro dosing is the way to go unless you are trying to get cortisol blocked. haha yeah i dont mind!
i take 1/4 the pill and crush it until its a powder and i use this micro scoop and take 3 level scoops and put it in an empty capsule like the one in the background.

an hour or so later i get this odd feeling like some slight anxietyish mixed with feeling off and slightly focused? super hard to discribe then boom im in a great mood. so weird.
my goal right now is increasing estrogen as much as possible while keeping prog at bay. so far its helping as my arm hair is getting thicker and new hairs sprouting along with new facial hair coming in. hair is also a very nice texture. libido is surprisingly good and refractory period is the shortest its been in a while.
i also take copper and mediherb trib for the estrogen boost and increasing sodium intake through sea salt and pure sodium chloride here n there. licorice is also my buddy right now.
ever since focusing on sodium i finally dont have that stupid eye twitch that was bugging me for freaking ever like 2 weeks at least.

oddly tho my morning wood is being crushed but today is my last day of 200mg 4AD and 50 to 100mg Randro EOD so im sure thats shutting me down a bit.

ill be doing a hair test soon too.

all in all def worth micro dosing.

 

[IHateFin]

Interesting stuff man, maybe I'll try md'ing RU before jumping on a 3-day 50mg cycle. Thanks for playing guinea pig lol.

For guys that had success on licorice root, wasn't it more of a snapback scenario though? Like, feel worse the day you take it?

licorice made me feel amazing! i took it with my estrogen boosting stack (ru 2.5mg, copper 2mg, mediherb trib) and my god i felt good! voice got deeper too and has remained that way. i cant tell if a sudden snap back happened but i have noticed increase and very consistently good libido afterwards.

this coming monday i am bumping up to 1/4 tsp (first dose was 1/8 tsp) then maybe the following week take 1/4 tsp one day and 1/8 tsp the next day

 

[Niles]

@IHateFin man, you got that pioneer spirit, haha. That's awesome. For the RU microdose, when do you plan to stop? Do you have a cycle planned, or will you continue to take it so long as it makes you feel good? I also remember you mentioning you had some mild gyno flare-ups in the past, do you not get any of that with your estro stack?

 

[IHateFin]

@IHateFin man, you got that pioneer spirit, haha. That's awesome. For the RU microdose, when do you plan to stop? Do you have a cycle planned, or will you continue to take it so long as it makes you feel good? I also remember you mentioning you had some mild gyno flare-ups in the past, do you not get any of that with your estro stack?

i plan to micro dose until at least 30 days of 12.5mg enclomid is over which tonight is dose 1. i will also just gauge it too since i just want to train my body to use dht to combat estrogen and i have seen elevations in dht through the week indicating its working, but i kind of have to play it by "ear" as the weekly licorice root starts to really kick in.
i have not had any gyno on the estrogen stack. the gyno i had flare up was from my extensive ru 2nd cycle and i didnt get puffy nipples just a lump growth next to my right nipple which has shrunken since.

 

[Area-1255]

Honestly, I think it mainly is just coming down to tolerance especially since you are recovered already.

Many of us responded to R andro postively the first time and never got the same effect so it is not just only people that just recovered. The people that also run multiple cycle after cycle seem to experience it as well just at shorter durations meaning every cycle starts off good and the positive effects wear off earlier and earlier each cycle eg. feel good for four weeks than next cycle feel good for two weeks then next cycle only feel good the first week then feel like crap onward. Seems mostly do to tolerance IMO.

If one really wanted to test it, go on a water fast for for two weeks or so then run it again after you come off the fast, see how you feel, you probably will respond much better to it.

CD you respond better to the original androhard since it contains epiandro as well not just androsterone so you could feel better from the combo of the two.

Epiandro is good stuff. Used it on many occasions. Never developed tolerance or "weakening" of effects. If I had to GUESS I would say the reason for the fluctuation with OP may be something related to the nervous system...maybe adrenaline rises then crashes, or maybe there is another issue like high serotonin that's masking the benefits of th Androgen!

 

[IHateFin]

i tried a super small dose of like a pea sized amount of the liquid androhard from muscle gelz and i felt sedated haha like my muscles felt relaxed and i felt slightly buzzed. must have hit my gaba like a ton of bricks. i barely took any haha maybe better taken at night?