My story + advice please

Blue88 · Mar 1, 2018

It's not very loose at all. Quite solid, with literally skin on bone at the top. I'm guessing there's lots of calcification due to my sky high calcium levels.

brix · Mar 1, 2018

Ah right on. My symptoms resemble yours except my scalp is loose.

Blue88 · Mar 1, 2018

brix said:
Ah right on. My symptoms resemble yours except my scalp is loose.

Have you had any success hair wise?

brix · Mar 1, 2018

I was doing well with calcium, mag, And copper but taking ella set me back. Can’t figure it out now.

Blue88 · Mar 2, 2018

Blue88 said:
@gbolduev - hoping you have some advice regarding my androgenic alopecia treatment based on my two hair tests and blood tests?

Sorry to nag, but hoping somebody has contact with @gbolduev ? After taking the blood tests he asked for, I now need some advice based on these and my hair test.

If anybody could ask him to look at this thread, it'd be very much appreciated.

mattyb · Mar 2, 2018

What blood tests did you get recently? I don't see them in this thread.

Blue88 · Mar 2, 2018

mattyb said:
What blood tests did you get recently? I don't see them in this thread.

Hey @mattyb here's what I wrote:

Calcium was incredibly high and boron non-existent. On @gbolduev 's advice I dropped all supplements. I also tested a few other things in blood to rule out hyperparathyroidism. Here are those results:

Calcium - 2.49 mmol/L (range: 2.20 - 2.60)
Prolactin - 135 mIU/L (range: 86 - 324)
Intact-(whole molecule) PTH - 5.0 pmol/L (range: 1.6 - 6.9)

All seemed fine so I think hyperparathyroidism is ruled out, and it was the Vit D3 causing issues.

Having dropped all supplements, I moved to a diet of seafood (shellfish, sardines), eggs, spinach, sweet potato, salt, brown and white rice, turmeric, garam masala, coconut milk, olive oil.

mattyb · Mar 2, 2018

So what are your actual chief complaints then? Just some hair loss?

Just keep chelating calcium if that's the case. You need lots of exercise to stimulate metabolism, low-ish calcium diet for a while, and at some point maybe a long breuss or water fast to accelerate that process (might not be necessary). It will take months or years to get calcium lower. It's a slow going process. I think all your heavy metal and mineral levels raised recently because you are chelating - it's part of a normal process of your body ditching minerals it doesn't need. Just mostly keep what you are doing and I think these levels will balance out over time.

Adding in some foods high in manganese could be helpful as well. Wheat germ would be a good supplemental food for you (just don't let it stay on your teeth, wash it off quickly with water or use xylitol to rebalance teeth pH after).

And supplement with the Na/K chloride salts. You need to raise those levels up a bit.

Do scalp massages to break up the calcium on your scalp. Do them consistently for at least a few months and then every now and then to make sure the tissue stays pliable.

I don't think you require any major overhauls though, or any supplements.

Blue88 · Mar 2, 2018

mattyb said:
So what are your actual chief complaints then? Just some hair loss?

Just keep chelating calcium if that's the case. You need lots of exercise to stimulate metabolism, low-ish calcium diet for a while, and at some point maybe a long breuss or water fast to accelerate that process (might not be necessary). It will take months or years to get calcium lower. It's a slow going process. I think all your heavy metal and mineral levels raised recently because you are chelating - it's part of a normal process of your body ditching minerals it doesn't need. Just mostly keep what you are doing and I think these levels will balance out over time.

Adding in some foods high in manganese could be helpful as well. Wheat germ would be a good supplemental food for you (just don't let it stay on your teeth, wash it off quickly with water or use xylitol to rebalance teeth pH after).

And supplement with the Na/K chloride salts. You need to raise those levels up a bit.

Do scalp massages to break up the calcium on your scalp. Do them consistently for at least a few months and then every now and then to make sure the tissue stays pliable.

I don't think you require any major overhauls though, or any supplements.

Thanks for taking the time to reply - most appreciated.

Main complaint is androgenic hair loss. Thinning widow's peak, but also hair feels thinner everywhere. I'm only 29.

Getting rid of calcium seems to be key. I'll give massage a go and look to add the salts.

How about oats for manganese? I wonder why @gbolduev tried to deter me from manganese previously?

Blue88 · Mar 20, 2018

@gbolduev - can you spare a little time to provide some feedback, please? It'd be most appreciated.

Orion · Mar 20, 2018

Blue88 said:
How about oats for manganese? I wonder why @gbolduev tried to deter me from manganese previously?

You have high iron on high test, in a slow oxidizer, Manganese(Mn) will make Iron go higher, which you probably don't want. Donating blood could help reduce iron load.

Yea keep focusing on low calcium intake diet, and taking the Cl electrolytes with HCl to get mag, sodium and potassium up.

Blue88 · Apr 25, 2018

Blue88 said:
Hi all,

So, here goes...

I'm a 29-year-old male. I first noticed hair loss at the age of 25. Since that age, I tried to battle the classic receding hairline with supplements.

To try to combat hair loss, I took the following stack for approximately three years: MSM Sulfur, modifilan, zinc, Thorne B Complex #6, Ecklonia Cava, Curcumin and transveratrol, Acetyl l carnitine, stabilised lipoic acid, magnesium, krill oil, scute, rutin, k2, vitamin a, vitamin c, immune boost 77, taurine.

I can't really say this stack ever did a great deal either way.

So, fast forward to October 2017. I took my first hair test while still taking all supplements - see below:

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Calcium was incredibly high and boron non-existent. On @gbolduev 's advice I dropped all supplements. I also tested a few other things in blood to rule out hyperparathyroidism. Here are those results:

Calcium - 2.49 mmol/L (range: 2.20 - 2.60)
Prolactin - 135 mIU/L (range: 86 - 324)
Intact-(whole molecule) PTH - 5.0 pmol/L (range: 1.6 - 6.9)

All seemed fine so I think hyperparathyroidism is ruled out, and it was the Vit D3 causing issues.

Having dropped all supplements, I moved to a diet of seafood (shellfish, sardines), eggs, spinach, sweet potato, salt, brown and white rice, turmeric, garam masala, coconut milk, olive oil.

So, early February 2018, I took another hair test. See results below.

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Calcium has declined a bit and boron has now increased. All in all, my shedding has reduced and I feel I have a bit more energy. The decline in calcium has certainly helped with my confidence.

However, I'd like some advice on balancing the sky high elements in the test (calcium, chromium, molybdenum, etc.). I'm still shedding to some degree, my joints click a lot, my libido is low (always has been - even though I've never taken Fin, etc.).

Both hair tests pointed to me being Slow 1, but Gbol has said he thinks I'm a Fast oxidiser, so who knows?

The overall aim is to get my hair back to how it was. I'm slim and athletic.

Appreciate any help @gbolduev , @mattyb , @TubZy

Goose12 · Apr 25, 2018

Blue88 said:
Just to provide an update:

I've amended diet based on TE recommendations and started on TE supplements on Thursday of last week.

I'm taking:

Morning:
2 x HCL (HCL Plus | Trace Elements Supplements)
2 x Para Pack (Para-Pack | Trace Elements Supplements)
2 x Adrenal Complex (Adrenal Complex | Trace Elements Supplements)
1 x Magnesium (Magnesium Plus | Trace Elements Supplements)
1 x Vitamin E (Vitamin E Plus | Trace Elements Supplements)
1 x Pyridox Plus (Pyridox Plus | Trace Elements Supplements)
1 x GT Formula (GT-Formula | Trace Elements Supplements)

Lunch:
2 x HCL (HCL Plus | Trace Elements Supplements)
2 x Para Pack (Para-Pack | Trace Elements Supplements)
2 x Adrenal Complex (Adrenal Complex | Trace Elements Supplements)
1 x Magnesium (Magnesium Plus | Trace Elements Supplements)
1 x Vitamin E (Vitamin E Plus | Trace Elements Supplements)
1 x Pyridox Plus (Pyridox Plus | Trace Elements Supplements)
1 x GT Formula (GT-Formula | Trace Elements Supplements)

Evening:
2 x HCL (HCL Plus | Trace Elements Supplements)
2 x Para Pack (Para-Pack | Trace Elements Supplements)
2 x Adrenal Complex (Adrenal Complex | Trace Elements Supplements)
1 x Magnesium (Magnesium Plus | Trace Elements Supplements)
1 x Vitamin E (Vitamin E Plus | Trace Elements Supplements)
1 x Pyridox Plus (https://www.mineralstate.co.uk/pyridox-plus/)
1 x GT Formula (https://www.mineralstate.co.uk/gt-formula-formula-b/)

Wow. I've never felt so tired. Does this subside? Is it a good sign? How long does this usually last?

I am taking para pack, adrenal complex, vitamin e, and manganese recommend by TE. I am on week two and the first thing I noticed is how tired i felt. I think its slowly getting better or I am better at managing it. It's a good tired feeling that for the most part can be remedied by extra sleep or a nap. My sleep has been great since the supplements.

Blue88 · Apr 25, 2018

Goose12 said:
I am taking para pack, adrenal complex, vitamin e, and manganese recommend by TE. I am on week two and the first thing I noticed is how tired i felt. I think its slowly getting better or I am better at managing it. It's a good tired feeling that for the most part can be remedied by extra sleep or a nap. My sleep has been great since the supplements.

Good to hear I'm not alone. I agree my sleep is great since starting. However, I commute to central London during the week and am finding myself struggling for energy whilst at work.

Prior to starting, my energy was as good as it had been for a while. I'm on TE supplements to see if balancing will help my hair.

It'd be good to hear others' thoughts...

Blue88 · Apr 30, 2018

Skin is feeling smooth, no more dry skin in the morning. Energy is starting to come back. Fingers crossed that things are changing for the better. Hopefully all this helps my hair.

Blue88 · May 7, 2018

I've been on the TEI recommended supplements for a couple of weeks now. My libido has increased quite a lot. Worringly, though, hair shedding seems to have increased - anybody else experienced this?

My main reason for doing this is to improves my hair, but is having the opposite impact...

Orion · May 7, 2018

Blue88 said:
I've been on the TEI recommended supplements for a couple of weeks now. My libido has increased quite a lot. Worringly, though, hair shedding seems to have increased - anybody else experienced this?

My main reason for doing this is to improves my hair, but is having the opposite impact...

Are you doing scalp massaging? if not you should.

Blue88 · May 13, 2018

Hair loss feels like it has gone into overdrive. surely this can't be right @gbolduev @mattyb

Minime · May 13, 2018

Blue88 said:
Hair loss feels like it has gone into overdrive. surely this can't be right @gbolduev @mattyb

Are you working with a practitioner? If so, have you gotten his or her thoughts on the accelerated hair loss?

TubZy · May 18, 2018

Blue88 said:
I've been on the TEI recommended supplements for a couple of weeks now. My libido has increased quite a lot. Worringly, though, hair shedding seems to have increased - anybody else experienced this?

My main reason for doing this is to improves my hair, but is having the opposite impact...

That is a good sign, stay on TE and start using sea salt scrubs in the shower for your hair it should help decalcify and slow down your loss. But stay on TE though, many reactions will occur.

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