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Helen

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Dont mean to disrupt, but im not sure if seen here on the forum anyone with high ceruloplasmin from the little who have tested it and are looking like fast oxidation on hair test.

Helen
I assume you mean the true fast oxidizers as you've said prev., who are supposed to have very high cerulo (which idk what accounts, maybe above 40).

Cerulo is definitely high when a viral load is suspected to be the cause and also have seen it high in pregnant woman for obvious reasons.

What i mean is from all the guys on the forum who look like fast oxidation their cerulo is not high at the top end of range, this is strange.

My hair test looks like a fast oxidation and my cerulo is not near the top nor the bottom of range with free copper lil above the upper end of range.

@m_arch
serum copper at same time with cerulo test are needed to find out this, i saw you did the cerulo part, could not see the serum copper. If you can do those two at same time again, while going for RT3, would be just great ? :)

@lattementa
I know you've said previously you would persuade this same aim regarding serum copper and ceruloplasmin. Your hair test looks like a fast oxidation too.

Maybe we can work up a bit on that matter ?


Can you post your hairtest. If you are fast oxidizer and you have high free copper, you dont make cerulo. since it needs to be high. this is why Raincoast had high copper same as Lattemental, and as soon as I give him a binder, cerulo was right there at the top of the range immediately.

Cerulo should be high in fast oxidizer.

I have no idea who you talk about that dont have high cerulo in fast oxidation. Either they cant make cerulo, since histidine is missing, or they are in 4 lows. which has nothing to do with fast oxidation. or they are in 4 highs which also has nothing to do with oxidation.

Fast and slow oxidizers are only classic fast and slow, all other TE bs oxidations are not fast or slow, like slow 1 slow 4 slow 100. That makes no sense to me. that is a gradation for TE. and has nothing to do with what I am talking about. You cant look at 4 highs have fast oxidation there supposedly and look for markers. I talk only about classic. High potassium high sodium , low calcium low magnesium. calcium and magnesium should be proportionately low to high sodium and potassium. If potassium is high but calcium at the same time near norm. This is not fast oxidation, this is high cortisol.
 

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@m_arch Looking at your hairtest, you seem like a fast oxidizer, with that body chemistry ceruloplasmin should be on the high side and it is not.

WE have to look further, but might be your blood tests have to do with copper.

platelet count, ceruloplasmin and copper levels indicate? - Blood Disorders Forum - eHealthForum
Copper Deficiency as Cause of Unexplained Hematologic and Neurologic Deficits in Patient with Prior Gastrointestinal Surgery
Copper deficiency can mask itself Myelodysplasia
Copper deficiency - Wikipedia

I remember I had low white blood count, and I took copper which took it to normal values.

It could be also biounavailable copper . May be histidine plays a part.


Here is another source with all your parameters mentioned. Copper deficiency symptoms - Copper deficiency diseases | Nutrition, deficiency & diseases
Fast oxidisers usually have high phosphorous, no? mine was low last time i tested

its funny since i eat a lot of almonds now which have high copper. also i eat a lot of beef brisket which should have lots of histidine

yes im thinking about going on ARL supps, just want to see my latest hair test results first.
 

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Fast oxidisers usually have high phosphorous, no? mine was low last time i tested

its funny since i eat a lot of almonds now which have high copper. also i eat a lot of beef brisket which should have lots of histidine

yes im thinking about going on ARL supps, just want to see my latest hair test results first.


Your phosphorus is higher than calcium. Also looking at your hairtest? why are you looking at ca mg ratio. You have low calcium on the hairtest.
 

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Can you post your hairtest. If you are fast oxidizer and you have high free copper, you dont make cerulo. since it needs to be high. this is why Raincoast had high copper same as Lattemental, and as soon as I give him a binder, cerulo was right there at the top of the range immediately.

Cerulo should be high in fast oxidizer.

I have no idea who you talk about that dont have high cerulo in fast oxidation. Either they cant make cerulo, since histidine is missing, or they are in 4 lows. which has nothing to do with fast oxidation. or they are in 4 highs which also has nothing to do with oxidation.

Fast and slow oxidizers are only classic fast and slow, all other TE bs oxidations are not fast or slow, like slow 1 slow 4 slow 100. That makes no sense to me. that is a gradation for TE. and has nothing to do with what I am talking about. You cant look at 4 highs have fast oxidation there supposedly and look for markers. I talk only about classic. High potassium high sodium , low calcium low magnesium. calcium and magnesium should be proportionately low to high sodium and potassium. If potassium is high but calcium at the same time near norm. This is not fast oxidation, this is high cortisol.


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Yeah the low platelets has been on every test for me for the past 10yrs. White bloodcells arent usually down tho

Have you had any symptoms over those 10 years related to thrombocytopenia? You mentioned easy bruising - anything else?

I'd say if the symptoms aren't really noticeable, then it may not be an issue. Just make sure to get in adequate Vitamin K1, because you'll need the extra help with blood clotting. Making sure you top up on folate and B12 will help keep platelets up as well.

Do you normally have the neutro/leukopenia as well? Because the neutropeia and low WBC just looks like you might have an infection. If your other tests have never shown that before, I wouldn't worry about it. Just wait a few months and retest.
 

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Dont mean to disrupt, but im not sure if seen here on the forum anyone with high ceruloplasmin from the little who have tested it and are looking like fast oxidation on hair test.

Helen
I assume you mean the true fast oxidizers as you've said prev., who are supposed to have very high cerulo (which idk what accounts, maybe above 40).

Cerulo is definitely high when a viral load is suspected to be the cause and also have seen it high in pregnant woman for obvious reasons.

What i mean is from all the guys on the forum who look like fast oxidation their cerulo is not high at the top end of range, this is strange.

My hair test looks like a fast oxidation and my cerulo is not near the top nor the bottom of range with free copper lil above the upper end of range.

@m_arch
serum copper at same time with cerulo test are needed to find out this, i saw you did the cerulo part, could not see the serum copper. If you can do those two at same time again, while going for RT3, would be just great ? :)

@lattementa
I know you've said previously you would persuade this same aim regarding serum copper and ceruloplasmin. Your hair test looks like a fast oxidation too.

Maybe we can work up a bit on that matter ?

@supernature
I am game - was thinking of doing another hair-test since it's been 6months - you also recommend testing serum copper and ceruloplasmin?
 

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Havent updated this thread in awhile but here is my progress in the last few months:

My diet is pretty sorted and stable now. I generally eat the same thing every day now:

Breakfast is a smoothie: Bananas (2 or 3), cacao (1tblspn), almonds
Lunch is usually brisket and rice, or brisket and potatoes.
After noon snack is a tin of tuna and yoghurt
Dinner is brisket, rice or potatoes, and some vegetable like broccoli.
After dinner I have another smoothie same as above.

I often drink 1L of the electrolyte water a day, which is 400mg of magnesium, 100mg sodium, 100mg potassium, 600mg chloride.

Generally i seem to be getting solid magnesium (800mg~1000mg) a day (more on sport days where i drink only electrolyes). Thats basically been my only focus.

On Friday nights i eat whatever i want. When i go out for lunch or something (only once or twice a week usually) i try to get something with decent protein, like a burger.
Been trying to increase my protein intake.

I've been feeling pretty good generally. I'm sending another hair test sample in on Monday, which was taken on 7/7/18th. I suspect for my next hair test i might need to start taking some more calcium, as that is very low in my diet.

At the start of this log, i had many highs and lows. Now i am looking more for long term stability. I was definitely magnesium deficient and generally mineral deficient in a lot of my previous tests, but i think the almonds help with a lot of minerals and the cacao + electrolye water helps balance my magnesium losses from the magnesium depletion of exercising.

I'm just trying to iron out the kinks now and get everything balanced. But i'm already out of 3 lows, so thats good. Heres hoping my 3rd test is moving in a positive direction too.
 

Aleksandr

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Havent updated this thread in awhile but here is my progress in the last few months:

My diet is pretty sorted and stable now. I generally eat the same thing every day now:

Breakfast is a smoothie: Bananas (2 or 3), cacao (1tblspn), almonds
Lunch is usually brisket and rice, or brisket and potatoes.
After noon snack is a tin of tuna and yoghurt
Dinner is brisket, rice or potatoes, and some vegetable like broccoli.
After dinner I have another smoothie same as above.

I often drink 1L of the electrolyte water a day, which is 400mg of magnesium, 100mg sodium, 100mg potassium, 600mg chloride.

Generally i seem to be getting solid magnesium (800mg~1000mg) a day (more on sport days where i drink only electrolyes). Thats basically been my only focus.

On Friday nights i eat whatever i want. When i go out for lunch or something (only once or twice a week usually) i try to get something with decent protein, like a burger.
Been trying to increase my protein intake.

I've been feeling pretty good generally. I'm sending another hair test sample in on Monday, which was taken on 7/7/18th. I suspect for my next hair test i might need to start taking some more calcium, as that is very low in my diet.

At the start of this log, i had many highs and lows. Now i am looking more for long term stability. I was definitely magnesium deficient and generally mineral deficient in a lot of my previous tests, but i think the almonds help with a lot of minerals and the cacao + electrolye water helps balance my magnesium losses from the magnesium depletion of exercising.

I'm just trying to iron out the kinks now and get everything balanced. But i'm already out of 3 lows, so thats good. Heres hoping my 3rd test is moving in a positive direction too.
I still haven't got my 3rd hair test back yet, but I suspect it could be similar to my 1st test (but probably better anyhow lol since my diet is more nutrient dense, but im not going crazy with potatoes and tomato paste)

I've made one small change to the smoothie which has made a large change in my general health: adding 99% fat free yoghurt to it, 1 cup both morning and night into the smoothie.

My diet was lacking in calcium, and after reading dr. Wilsons stuff on calcium offering stress protection etc (i believe he got this info from dr. Eck at ARL) , I thought it was worth a try. Initially i tried supplementing calcium, but my scalp itch came back (remember i believe scalp itch is caused from a high CA to mg ratio). Then i tried supplementing calcium with magnesium at the same time, but i still got the scalp itch. I've basically been avoiding calcium this whole hair testing journey since i didn't want to go bald. But anyway, I thought of another idea. Since foods are loaded with all the co-factor nutrients, i thought maybe i could add it to the smoothie.

It worked! No scalp itch at all. Also, since its 99% fat free (and theres very little lactose in it since its yoghurt and already digested) i'm having no problems digesting it. Also, since the 2nd hair test with the fast 1 oxidation i felt my hair was thinning a bit. But the scalp itch and recession seemed to stop. But I didn't like the thinning. Now my scalp feels really good, but also it doesn't feel thin.

From this change alone, i feel so much more stable and stress-tolerant. Its amazing. I feel more outgoing, progressive, able to do anything, to keep pushing even when tired and know that i can deal with whatever comes up. My stuttering is also hugely reduced, which i think is due to my increased stress tolerance. Its curious because I started stuttering around age 10 or so I believe, and before this i never had it. I think at age 10 i had an ear infection cause by milk consumption, so i was taken off dairy all together and given soy milk. I've mostly avoided dairy since so I would have underconsumed calcium for the last 16 yrs of my life. I also needed a few teeth removed because my jaw was so crowded (and needed braces) - i wonder if this was also due to a lack of calcium? I've never broken a bone though, despite playing sports. I wonder if i will have any physical changes, like broadening of my palate or increased weight / muscle mass now i'm increasing CA consumption. I wonder also if the low CA consumption contributed to my acne as a teen, if the CA (or MG) was required in some enzyme formations which my body chemistry was lacking to clear the acne. @Orion

In general my thoughts on magnesium are now that its definitately required in some body chemistries, but best to get from foods. Also, calcium will aid in stress tolerance. I think a healthy calcium level is more likely to keep magnesium high on the hair test. I doubt magnesium will stay high from only supplementing it (whilst simultaneously having low calcium) since you will be victim to stressors which all drain magnesium.

@mattyb @Helen @TubZy you guys might be interested in these thoughts / experiences

Gbold and Matty, I think you were 100% spot on the money when you said the best thing to do is eat a diet to balance you in the long run. And it will take a while to figure out, but you can do it. My progress has been slow, but very steady. Just like what my oxidation rate needs to move more towards... :p

Also my eyes haven't been dry for many months now. But we are in the middle of winter where i live.
 
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I was drinking liters of milk as a teen, and was acne prone, but no braces and really straight teeth. But diet was also really high in PUFA, and probably lacking magnesium. I was chubby skinny fat and needed eye glasses also..

I think it could be lack of B vitamins as a kid that got acne started, and now mega dosing them is helping to reverse it.

Are you just using regular store bought cow's milk yogurt? Greek?
 

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I was drinking liters of milk as a teen, and was acne prone, but no braces and really straight teeth. But diet was also really high in PUFA, and probably lacking magnesium. I was chubby skinny fat and needed eye glasses also..

I think it could be lack of B vitamins as a kid that got acne started, and now mega dosing them is helping to reverse it.

Are you just using regular store bought cow's milk yogurt? Greek?
I get acne and boils even now if i have a lot of dairy. Are you intolerant to dairy in other ways? Im not sure if its lactose or something in the fat, or both. But i have no problems with this 99% fat free natural yoghurt. Yep its regular cows yoghurt, the cheap one from ALDI lol
 

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I get acne and boils even now if i have a lot of dairy. Are you intolerant to dairy in other ways? Im not sure if its lactose or something in the fat, or both. But i have no problems with this 99% fat free natural yoghurt. Yep its regular cows yoghurt, the cheap one from ALDI lol

Yep I am lactose intolerant, if I drink milk it has to be with lactase, otherwise major gastric issues. I use isolate whey to avoid lactose, small amounts of yogurt seem to be ok for me as well.
 

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Yep I am lactose intolerant, if I drink milk it has to be with lactase, otherwise major gastric issues. I use isolate whey to avoid lactose, small amounts of yogurt seem to be ok for me as well.
Have you tried the 99% fat free yoghurt? I'm having around 500g a day with no issues, lots of improvements. Although looking at your last hair test you seemed to be in slow oxidation so maybe you dont need it (although i doubt any of your hair tests will be 'baseline' for awhile after that crazy fast lol)
 

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I think doing H2 water for about a month shifted the Mg Ca results on my hairtest as well. Doing ARL minerals and aminos now, so next hair test in Oct minus H2 water should be more in line with where I am at.

Yep fat free yogurt and quark(which is very low fat) seem to be ok with my digestion even in large amounts.
 

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To update my log: my dry eyes have come back unfortunately.

My current theory is that I am low on vitamin A again, as they've returned with the change of seasons and the weather getting drier and sunnier here in Australia again.
I still remember my most dramatic health change ever: when i was into Ray Peat, i started supplementing vitamin A (retinol) and had the most amazing feeling ever, like i could move a mountain and take on the world. I was a beast unleashed. But it only lasted a week or so, and with continual supplementing the feeling never came back. Now i know more about nutrition though, i wonder if it was just because I had a pretty lackluster diet otherwise and supplementing vitamin only worked while vitamin A was the limiting factor (and it only was for a week, before something else was depleted). But now my diet is very nutritious generally.

After watching a Chris Masterjohn talk, he spoke of vitamin A deficiency signs: dry eyes, dandruff, blurry vision. I've been having those signs lately, so i figure its worth a shot. I wonder if its worth checking my blood levels of vitamin A before i supplement, first, though. Hmm.


Everything else is going well.
I started a new job which has me walking between 20,000 to 37,000 steps a day burning up lots of calories. I found i had to reduce the calcium and increase somewhat to counter act the physical stress, as my scalp itch returned one day after increasing the calcium (to 1.5 cups of yoghurt per smoothie). I imagine the "magnesium burn rate" was increased, and thats all. I've gone down to half a cup of yoghurt per smoothie, and keep drinking the electrolyte drink as i walk.
 
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Update:

I took 10,000 iu of vitamin A yesterday (retinol) cbf with getting the blood test done. My blurry vision is gone LOL after like a month of thinking my vision is fcked.

I think its offical at least for me, the "vitamin A is a toxin" guy: disproven. @Orion @Helen btw orion u tried vit a for acne? Ray peat says it works
 

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Update:

I took 10,000 iu of vitamin A yesterday (retinol) cbf with getting the blood test done. My blurry vision is gone LOL after like a month of thinking my vision is fcked.

I think its offical at least for me, the "vitamin A is a toxin" guy: disproven. @Orion @Helen btw orion u tried vit a for acne? Ray peat says it works

Yea RP says liver and vitA are the cure for acne. I experimented from 10k up to 500K a day years ago, did nothing for my acne.