SARM YK-11 - Progestin based oral

joekool

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I believe this is a game changer, for those of us who aren't as brave as @Jack17 & others who have tried going back on fin.

This Progestin Based 'sarm' which acts on our progesterone receptors, possibly similar to RU or FIN, but safer in my opinion.

So what does YK-11 do?

In the 2011 paper it was speculated that YK will operate as an Anti Andorgen (stopping testosterone etc binding in the body). With some anabolic potential in low levels of Test/DHT. As a derivative of DHT it is likely that little muscle mass gains can be achieved directly from it. However, muscle retention, muscle hardness, strength and Libido are likely to increase. Meaning it would be a compound bodybuilders would run going into a show rather than during the off season, yet it is often marketed a mass builder.

As stated in the 2011 paper YK was chemically designed from ethisterone (steroidal progestin) it is of a similar structure to Norethynodrel which is likely to make it either to activate or inhibit progesterone receptors. This though is mainly based on scientific theory rather than studies due to it being unproven.


YK11 is a partial agonist of the androgen receptor with a greater effect on increasing follistatin than DHT does (Kano et all 2013 Selective Androgen Receptor Modulator, YK11, Regulates Myogenic Differentiation of C2C12 Myoblasts by Follistatin Expression). What follistatin does is it inhibits the action of myostatin. Myostatin inhibits the actions of Myf5, MyoD, and myogenin. Myf5, MyoD, and myogenin induces muscle growth. This is excellent news for us but there is a negative aspect of YK11 being a partial agnonist of the androgen receptor. YK11 may inhibit testosterone and DHT from acting on the androgen receptor since it will compete for binding at the androgen receptor with testosterone and DHT. This is something to consider if running YK11 as there is the risk that running DHT compounds and/or testosterone or other androgens may reduce their effectiveness since YK11 will be competing with and taking up some of the androgen receptors. In a low testosterone and/or low DHT state however, YK11 would be beneficial as you have less of a risk for androgen receptor saturation. With that said, even though there is a risk of YK11 being a antiandrogen and that it may be less anabolic than DHT and/or testosterone, the effects on follistatin may counter this potential drawback. This is something which should be considered when deciding to run YK11 with other androgens.


As a bare minimum, if we cycle this on and off, to retrain our receptors... we may have the same effect as going back on FIN but without the dangers that FIN brings... I will be trying this on test first, in June... and then without test, likely towards end of year. @Trump_1776 @jinstewart @ncsugrad I believe this product to be a good test for PFS.
 

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@joekool We all knew that going back on progestins fixes PFS. We had tons of guys going on nandrolone which is very similar to YK-11

same as you can go on nandrolone ( progestine) and this gets rid of the symptoms. But it is not like you will just sit on it for life. You go off and you are back to being screwed. Testerone/Nandolone deconate - feeling normal after 6 yrs

We know that when you go back on progesterone or any progestins( nandrolone) you recover from PFS in slow oxidation. What is game changer about it.

but it fixes nothing. It is not a cure. or a fix. it is a stilt.

Same as anavar, same as nandrolone, same as fin, or any other steroids, which blocks AR and increases progesterone action


If anything it is putting you further and further from the cure. since you are basically on finasteride again.

@joekool there is absolutely nothing that you can do, to increase the androgen receptor. density

Otherwise Pfstinks would be cured by now, he cycles finasteride for a year.

Carnitine increases androgen receptors 40% in weeks. How is that working out for you? IT DOES NOTHING, just increases baseline a little bit, since you simply cant support this huge overexpression, YOU JUST CAN'T, body is already trying to overexpress as much as it can. so you are trying to increase something which is already increased to a maximum possible range by YOUR own BODY.


Or if you want to upregulate your ARs, just get RU-58841.

that thing will upregulate your androgen receptors like you read about. And I promise you will GET NOWHERE.


Slow oxidizers are missing CYSTEINE. IMO


CYSTEINE is needed to BIND AR to ARE.

You can do whatever you want, trying to upregulate CYSTEINE

but you cant do that.


When you block your androgen receptor the body tries the hardest to upregulate ARs and transcription. IN your case transcription is not possible to upregulate, since you don't get to cysteine. So the body tried to keep ARs highly overexpressed, and here you come trying to upregulate that overexpression even further.

IT IS AT THE MAXIMUM ALREADY, man. I don't know why you don't get that.

all you can do is upregulate your AR density, which is already extremely high and you simply can't increase it beyond a certain a mount, but without cysteine, you simply still wont bind all those ARs to the ARE



You take some stuff you feel better on it and you think it is doing something.

Jack17 is taking avodart and he is good only on avodart, if he quits he will go back to PFS.

Same if he took nandrolone, or fin, same as PFSTINKS, if he takes fin he is ok, when fin stops working he is in PFS

Nothing gets upregulated. When you take fin you simply have more NAD. and NAD is what is needed to put cysteine into the cell. the minute cysteine is in the cell

then body can use zinc , and this is your ZINC FINGER which makes your AR work. That is all.



You have more chance cycling CORTISOL supplements,

since cortisol will get rid of CALCIUM and will get rid of copper. and permanently increase NAD levels.

and your cysteine will be more available and everything will be working. this is why cortisol induces Metalothionine enzymes which are ZINC FINGER enzymes.

And cortisol will downregulate your AR protein levels and expression, and then AR will block VDR and your will have less calcium.



 

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There are at least a couple guys who got cured by cycling prog, but I'm not sure what kind of PFS case they were. This compound is interesting, but a bit sketchy since there's zero in vivo studies.

Speaking of progestins, I came across this the other day and was curious if anyone with PFS had ever tried it: 6-keto-p4 - supposedly has the cortisol-lowering anti-catabolic effects of prog, but without competing for 5-AR.
 

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There are at least a couple guys who got cured by cycling prog, but I'm not sure what kind of PFS case they were. This compound is interesting, but a bit sketchy since there's zero in vivo studies.

Speaking of progestins, I came across this the other day and was curious if anyone with PFS had ever tried it: 6-keto-p4 - supposedly has the cortisol-lowering anti-catabolic effects of prog, but without competing for 5-AR.

It seems it blocks cortisol similar to RU according to Haidut. If that is true maybe could be worth looking into more.

He wrote :

I think the 6-keto P4 is a GR antagonist, similar to plain P4. So, it may not actually lower cortisol but block its effects. As such, its effects should be milder than something like mertgoline, which by blocking serotonin affects ACTH and thus cortisol levels.
6-keto P4 - Liquid 6-ketoprogesterone For Lab/R&D
 

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You have more chance cycling CORTISOL supplements,

since cortisol will get rid of CALCIUM and will get rid of copper. and permanently increase NAD levels.

and your cysteine will be more available and everything will be working. this is why cortisol induces Metalothionine enzymes which are ZINC FINGER enzymes.

And cortisol will downregulate your AR protein levels and expression, and then AR will block VDR and your will have less calcium.




What is the best bet for a solw oxidizer at the moment to get rid of calcium and copper and increase NAD, cycling corticoids or the Marshall protocol? I could easily test both.

I will start the second cycle of TEI. The first one got rid of iron and retained sodium and potassium. Calcium and copper almost didn't move. Now they want me to take same things but adding manganese.

I believe in the logic of TEI but for curing PFS it will take ages. TEI could round the edges of ones health but I think the cure of PFS needs something more.

I read the posts of cytochrome who allegedly cured himself with dexamethasone cycling. I found the guy a little bit confuse and imprecise about what he was actually doing. He was not taking only dexamethasone but in the end attributed his cure to it. I didn't find any other people who tried exactly his protocol (one week on, one week off), so he seems to be the only one who tried this cycling protocol. He needed one year for the cure. But I think 1 year is better then the TEI perspective.

Don't get me wrong I think the TEI cycle was very good, one of the best things that I have done. But... for the cure, it will be a very long run, if so.
 

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What is the best bet for a solw oxidizer at the moment to get rid of calcium and copper and increase NAD, cycling corticoids or the Marshall protocol? I could easily test both.

I will start the second cycle of TEI. The first one got rid of iron and retained sodium and potassium. Calcium and copper almost didn't move. Now they want me to take same things but adding manganese.

I believe in the logic of TEI but for curing PFS it will take ages. TEI could round the edges of ones health but I think the cure of PFS needs something more.

I read the posts of cytochrome who allegedly cured himself with dexamethasone cycling. I found the guy a little bit confuse and imprecise about what he was actually doing. He was not taking only dexamethasone but in the end attributed his cure to it. I didn't find any other people who tried exactly his protocol (one week on, one week off), so he seems to be the only one who tried this cycling protocol. He needed one year for the cure. But I think 1 year is better then the TEI perspective.

Don't get me wrong I think the TEI cycle was very good, one of the best things that I have done. But... for the cure, it will be a very long run, if so.

How do you know? You have only done one cycle. No one has finished TEI for 1 year yet. None. I'm at 5 1/2 months on this program. Goose maybe a bit longer.

We can all make up things but let's test the results. Let's see after 1 year of TEI (on the program) what happened. Instead of saying "it's going to be this".

Anyways I am all for a fast cure as well since this will weed out the people who don't want to stick to a program. Which is understandable. Not everybody wants to do a program like this. I'm also looking for this finding more information. Hopefully we can get some more ideas soon.

You can try the NADPH Oxidase inhibitor for example that Helen said in the other thread.
 

gaivs

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Rebel, maybe you are wright. Let's see. I will not give up TEI, even after a cure. I think this is a good thing. I'm only considereing ther possibilities as always.

I have looked into the NADPH oxidase inhibitor before but couldn't find a way to buy any of them.

The new one that people are talking, allylcysteine, I also dont know how to buy it.

If it is a garlic supplement I have done this before. For me garlic is good, there is a androgenic feeling when I take it, but nothing that sticks.
 

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@Rid check out this sarm but I tested the waters with it now that I'm off anavar but tried 4mg Tuesday and 4mg yesterday...

it's supposed to be at least 5mg twice a day, but I woke up sick so I'm back on antibiotics so I didn't want to mix stuff... the 4mgs once Tuesday and weds haven't done anything to me, plus or minus....
 
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