Is this whole thing just a bacteria story?

[Aleksandr]

I'm starting to wonder if this whole thing is just a bacteria story.

How many of you:
a) are a C section birth
b) not breast fed
c) had a sterile environment in your upbringing
d) have been on antibiotics


I'm at least 3 of those, maybe all 4. My acne was super bad, which was probably because I had tones of crappy food and not the right bacteria to digest it.
So I went on accutane.

Maybe hairloss is caused from having poor digestion too - for any number of reasons... gut is in poor condition, so lots of foods cause chronic inflammation = inflammation + dht = baldness.
So you go on finasteride.

Whatever it is... they say "you're not what you eat, you're what you absorb"
Well maybe we didnt absorb well, either deficiencies or inflammation processes which eventually leads to deficiencies etc.. ill health.

So the HTMA works on replacing our minerals, or imbalances... if we have the right balance of minerals, then the bad bacteria wont be able to live in us and the good bacteria thrive (aka the 'terrain' theory).

I'm planning on attacking this from both sides by using @Ocguy 's resistant starch protocol to hopefully get my good bacteria to thrive at the same time, so my absorption (and elimination) should be better. It would make sense that the TEI cycles would be more effective overall doing this, no?!



I've been complaining about my dry eyes forever since I joined this form: interesting thing has happened ... I got a flu, had massive fast oxidation spike and fever etc, eyes got super bad. I went outside and looked at the sun, to make them teary and wetter. It offered lasting relief. So i googled it, there was a dr. who recommended looking at the sun, eyes closed for 3 minutes a day to help dry eyes. He said it was a tension problem, the eyes were tense. Just today i came across an article saying that our eyes have bacteria. I wonder if the sun is like a sterilizer.


So we have the terrain theory, but also the germ theory. It seems chicken and egg. If we experience a,b, c or d our 'good' germs are wiped out or suseptible to being over taken by the bad germs. If this happens, our terrain changes quickly because it lacks strength due to inability to absorb the nutrients it needs.

Maybe HTMA rebuilds the terrain, and something like the resistant starch protocol rebuilds the germ?
Ive taken probiotics before but they never stuck, maybe because the terrain didnt have enough time (or wasnt prompted in the right direction by something like HTMA) to rebuild itself.

 

[bruschi11]

I'm starting to wonder if this whole thing is just a bacteria story.

How many of you:
a) are a C section birth
b) not breast fed
c) had a sterile environment in your upbringing
d) have been on antibiotics


I'm at least 3 of those, maybe all 4. My acne was super bad, which was probably because I had tones of crappy food and not the right bacteria to digest it.
So I went on accutane.

Maybe hairloss is caused from having poor digestion too - for any number of reasons... gut is in poor condition, so lots of foods cause chronic inflammation = inflammation + dht = baldness.
So you go on finasteride.

Whatever it is... they say "you're not what you eat, you're what you absorb"
Well maybe we didnt absorb well, either deficiencies or inflammation processes which eventually leads to deficiencies etc.. ill health.

So the HTMA works on replacing our minerals, or imbalances... if we have the right balance of minerals, then the bad bacteria wont be able to live in us and the good bacteria thrive (aka the 'terrain' theory).

I'm planning on attacking this from both sides by using @Ocguy 's resistant starch protocol to hopefully get my good bacteria to thrive at the same time, so my absorption (and elimination) should be better. It would make sense that the TEI cycles would be more effective overall doing this, no?!

This is exactly what I’m doing... “attacking it from both sides.”

When I got better in ‘17, it was really all bacteria based my treatment but I look back and did some vital things for nutritional balance like juicing and fasting as a slow, calcium shell type oxidizer.

Currently on day 5 of a 25 day water fast with heavy probiotic enemas daily if not twice daily lol. Also ocean swimming and a lot of sunlight.

Expecting big things. We shall see.

 

[hairsuit]

This is exactly what I’m doing... “attacking it from both sides.”

When I got better in ‘17, it was really all bacteria based my treatment but I look back and did some vital things for nutritional balance like juicing and fasting as a slow, calcium shell type oxidizer.

Currently on day 5 of a 25 day water fast with heavy probiotic enemas daily if not twice daily lol. Also ocean swimming and a lot of sunlight.

Expecting big things. We shall see.

Machine

 

[Aleksandr]

Another thing...

my dandruff? goes away when i put on nizoral

nizoral is anti fungal

What is relationship between anti fungal and bacteria?

Anyway we know nizoral acts like a very minor fin, so it fucks you up anyway


But it seems bacteria related again

 

[bruschi11]

One thing I think about and how I see things here @Aleksandr is how gut/bacteria is part of the terrain. I get it- nutritional balance is terrain treatment in full, but you also have to look at bacteria as not only germ but also terrain.

Because you need a gut with strong beneficial bacteria- that is just as big part of terrain as the nutrition. Without it, your defense system is weakened and the body just can’t move stuff out the way it should. Sure you can call bad bacteria a germ. But also realize the bad guys are now part of the terrain.

When your digestion is ideal and the body is receiving nutrients in its most optimal form, the body will balance itself as best it can. It will do a lottttt better job at balancing itself with optimum digestion than weak.

 

[bruschi11]

Another thing...

my dandruff? goes away when i put on nizoral

nizoral is anti fungal

What is relationship between anti fungal and bacteria?

Anyway we know nizoral acts like a very minor fin, so it fucks you up anyway


But it seems bacteria related again

Fungus is a big part of this. It’s a cousin of bacteria really and a big reason for a portion of us here suffering. It comes after antibiotics. And I’m sure a lot of people are just struggling with fungus rather than bad bacteria.

 

[Aleksandr]

Fungus is a big part of this. It’s a cousin of bacteria really and a big reason for a portion of us here suffering. It comes after antibiotics. And I’m sure a lot of people are just struggling with fungus rather than bad bacteria.

Do you think @Ocguy 's resistant starch gut healing protocol would help kill the fungus too?

 

[bruschi11]

Do you think @Ocguy 's resistant starch gut healing protocol would help kill the fungus too?

I’m sure it would. So many ways of going at it really.

 

[Aleksandr]

Microbiome restoration diet improves digestion, cognition and physical and emotional wellbeing

"Manipulating gut bacteria in the microbiome, through the use of probiotics and prebiotics, has been found to have an influence on both physical and emotional wellbeing. This study uses a dietary manipulation ‘The Gut Makeover’ designed to elicit positive changes to the gut bacteria within the microbiome. 21 healthy participants undertook ‘The Gut Makeover’ for a four week period. Weight and various aspects of health were assessed pre and post intervention using the Functional Medicine Medical Symptoms Questionnaire (MSQ). Paired sample t-tests revealed a significant reduction in self-reported weight at the end of the intervention. Adverse medical symptoms related to digestion, cognition and physical and emotional wellbeing, were also significantly reduced during the course of the dietary intervention. The intervention, designed to manipulate gut bacteria, had a significant impact on digestion, reducing IBS type symptoms in this non-clinical population. There was also a striking reduction in negative symptoms related to cognition, memory and emotional wellbeing, including symptoms of anxiety and depression. Dietary gut microbiome manipulations may have the power to exert positive physical and psychological health benefits, of a similar nature to those reported in studies using pre and probiotics. The small sample size and lack of control over confounding variables means that it will be important to replicate these findings in larger-scale controlled, prospective, clinical trials. This dietary microbiome intervention has the potential to improve physical and emotional wellbeing in the general population but also to be investigated as a treatment option for individuals with conditions as diverse as IBS, anxiety, depression and Alzheimer’s disease."

 

[JasonSky]

I'm starting to wonder if this whole thing is just a bacteria story.

How many of you:
a) are a C section birth
b) not breast fed
c) had a sterile environment in your upbringing
d) have been on antibiotics


I'm at least 3 of those, maybe all 4. My acne was super bad, which was probably because I had tones of crappy food and not the right bacteria to digest it.
So I went on accutane.

Maybe hairloss is caused from having poor digestion too - for any number of reasons... gut is in poor condition, so lots of foods cause chronic inflammation = inflammation + dht = baldness.
So you go on finasteride.

Whatever it is... they say "you're not what you eat, you're what you absorb"
Well maybe we didnt absorb well, either deficiencies or inflammation processes which eventually leads to deficiencies etc.. ill health.

So the HTMA works on replacing our minerals, or imbalances... if we have the right balance of minerals, then the bad bacteria wont be able to live in us and the good bacteria thrive (aka the 'terrain' theory).

I'm planning on attacking this from both sides by using @Ocguy 's resistant starch protocol to hopefully get my good bacteria to thrive at the same time, so my absorption (and elimination) should be better. It would make sense that the TEI cycles would be more effective overall doing this, no?!



I've been complaining about my dry eyes forever since I joined this form: interesting thing has happened ... I got a flu, had massive fast oxidation spike and fever etc, eyes got super bad. I went outside and looked at the sun, to make them teary and wetter. It offered lasting relief. So i googled it, there was a dr. who recommended looking at the sun, eyes closed for 3 minutes a day to help dry eyes. He said it was a tension problem, the eyes were tense. Just today i came across an article saying that our eyes have bacteria. I wonder if the sun is like a sterilizer.


So we have the terrain theory, but also the germ theory. It seems chicken and egg. If we experience a,b, c or d our 'good' germs are wiped out or suseptible to being over taken by the bad germs. If this happens, our terrain changes quickly because it lacks strength due to inability to absorb the nutrients it needs.

Maybe HTMA rebuilds the terrain, and something like the resistant starch protocol rebuilds the germ?
Ive taken probiotics before but they never stuck, maybe because the terrain didnt have enough time (or wasnt prompted in the right direction by something like HTMA) to rebuild itself.

Damn man, feels bad huh. I was also a c-section, so put on antibiotics at a young age when I got sick as an infant. Have had food allergies and other complications throughout my life, and I'm only 23 and started hairloss when I was like 20 so I hopped on fin. Also started having acne problems at like age 18, all very likely related to gut issues. At least we're out here trying to fix the problem, may hop on OC Guy's Gut protocol soon.

 

[supernature]

How many of you:
a) are a C section birth
b) not breast fed
c) had a sterile environment in your upbringing
d) have been on antibiotics

a) 100%
b) 50%
d) 50% mainly and only in early child age due to reoccurring infections for no known reason: ears, sinuses, throat (tonsils), lungs, untill they took off the tonsils around 1st grade and things start to subside

 

[jinstewart]

How many of you:
a) are a C section birth
b) not breast fed
c) had a sterile environment in your upbringing
d) have been on antibiotics

Very interesting. Many people swearing ofc this is a gut problem. Just showing a hand too:

a) No, natural birth but was 3 weeks premature.
b) Was breast fed, mom says "for the first few weeks" and fed expressed breast milk before I could suckle "for real"
c) Not really tbh, we let kids eat worms in the 80s!
d) Yes, a few times

 

[joekool]

Though you listed bacterial, it sounds like you’re also researching fungal issues. This link you’ve probably seen about a bacteria infection , specifically a parasite

Cured from Propecia side effects at Post Finasteride Syndrome, topic 2276109

I believe fin causes thyroid issues which Caused body temp issues that allows fungus to germinate. I’m speculating because I had a toenail go fungal while on fin for the first time in my life and it healed itself naturally when I did a month+ of T3

I still use iodine and kelp daily which is helpful for thyroid health.

 

[jinstewart]

Yes out of the blue I got CRAZY thrush/candida flare up exactly after I crashed. I'd had thrush years before, which clotrimazole cream cleared up.

 

[raven]

Very interesting. Many people swearing ofc this is a gut problem. Just showing a hand too:

a) No, natural birth but was 3 weeks premature.
b) Was breast fed, mom says "for the first few weeks" and fed expressed breast milk before I could suckle "for real"
c) Not really tbh, we let kids eat worms in the 80s!
d) Yes, a few times

Exactly the same

 

[bruschi11]

Do you think @Ocguy 's resistant starch gut healing protocol would help kill the fungus too?

S. Boullardi is best fungus type probiotic. It’s not actually a probiotic it’s a beneficial fungus. I’m using it in my enemas. English (pfs recovery) used quite a bit of this in his gut centered attack. And my nutritionist Shawn Bean highly recommends it. So get this in your gut drink. Along with other probiotics.

 

[Goose12]

Very interesting. Many people swearing ofc this is a gut problem. Just showing a hand too:

a) No, natural birth but was 3 weeks premature.
b) Was breast fed, mom says "for the first few weeks" and fed expressed breast milk before I could suckle "for real"
c) Not really tbh, we let kids eat worms in the 80s!
d) Yes, a few times

Exactly the same but 6 weeks premature. Constant sinus problems and colds as a kid

 

[Aleksandr]

One more piece to the puzzle:

Effects of dietary fibers on magnesium absorption in animals and humans. - PubMed - NCBI

TLDR; Resistant starch enhances magnesium absorption.

 

[Walker]

S. Boullardi is best fungus type probiotic. It’s not actually a probiotic it’s a beneficial fungus. I’m using it in my enemas. English (pfs recovery) used quite a bit of this in his gut centered attack. And my nutritionist Shawn Bean highly recommends it. So get this in your gut drink. Along with other probiotics.

Took this all throughout my recovery. Can’t agree more.

 

[RebelWithACause]

One more piece to the puzzle:

Effects of dietary fibers on magnesium absorption in animals and humans. - PubMed - NCBI

TLDR; Resistant starch enhances magnesium absorption.

Interdasting. I always thought fiber was overrated but I feel better when I eat more of it. I am eating a lot more vegetables this cycle and I think I do good on that. I also add some sweet potoes in for carb source, also high in fiber. I also read fiber can increase SHBG. I think diabetics often have low SHBG.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3351377/

Probably want SHBG not too low and too high.

I always liked starch for carb source more than fruit and plain sugar. Works better for me. It digests slower so you don't have to eat constantly like a rabbit.