A history of Hack Stasis: Summing it all up

[Aleksandr]

Started at RayPeatForum;
An interesting bunch of people - I don't think you just stumble upon Ray Peat.
I think you generally first run the gamut of the more popular "alternative" treatments or diets, like paleo etc first.
The crowd is mostly either sick people, or people looking to optimise. Most are sick probably.

Along comes a Russian man who has some interesting theories - he receives a lot of hate, but hates back.
Epic flame wars ensure of alternative health proportions.
Multiple members voice that Ray Peats ideas havent helped them, no sometimes even hurt them.
Hair loss is a big topic at RayPeatForum, probably because of Danny Roddy who thinks Rays ideas can save hair.
Some have lost hair while on Ray peat diet / advice. Myself included.

Russian man (who shall not be named) promotes "balance".
that Ray Peat stuff helps some, but not others because of where they sit on their balance
multiple members are swayed by these ideas. they seem less extreme to some
the ray peat believers go into hysteria, kicking Russian man from forum

Hackstasis born from users wanting to hear more of these ideas - 2017
most members suffer from PFS or PAS
most members also male who want better heads of hair
most issues revolve around hormone imbalance
multiple theories emerge from Russian man, lots of trials ensue

in the end it seems PFS, PAS or whatever health condition doesnt matter
all disease is the same: an imbalanced physiology
the cure for everything is to balance the physiology
physiology needs to be balanced upstream
hormones are down stream
minerals / vitamins are upstream which create the enzyme reactions
only problem is everyone requires different things to balance

eventually the forum / Russian man settled on running trace elements hair test cycles to achieve balance
this was probably only settled on late 2018 before it caught on
currently most serious hackstasis members running TEI cycles
seems like theres been lots of improvements / some cures

no one seems to be completely optimised / balanced yet
2019: the race is on. Who will get a seriously balanced hair test first?
Lets define balance as: nothing crazy i.e. 4 lows or 4 highs
all ratios in the white

 

[RebelWithACause]

Sure I'm down for a race lol. My ratio's are still very off so we will see.

 

[Aflac94]

Started at RayPeatForum;
An interesting bunch of people - I don't think you just stumble upon Ray Peat.
I think you generally first run the gamut of the more popular "alternative" treatments or diets, like paleo etc first.
The crowd is mostly either sick people, or people looking to optimise. Most are sick probably.

Along comes a Russian man who has some interesting theories - he receives a lot of hate, but hates back.
Epic flame wars ensure of alternative health proportions.
Multiple members voice that Ray Peats ideas havent helped them, no sometimes even hurt them.
Hair loss is a big topic at RayPeatForum, probably because of Danny Roddy who thinks Rays ideas can save hair.
Some have lost hair while on Ray peat diet / advice. Myself included.

Russian man (who shall not be named) promotes "balance".
that Ray Peat stuff helps some, but not others because of where they sit on their balance
multiple members are swayed by these ideas. they seem less extreme to some
the ray peat believers go into hysteria, kicking Russian man from forum

Hackstasis born from users wanting to hear more of these ideas - 2017
most members suffer from PFS or PAS
most members also male who want better heads of hair
most issues revolve around hormone imbalance
multiple theories emerge from Russian man, lots of trials ensue

in the end it seems PFS, PAS or whatever health condition doesnt matter
all disease is the same: an imbalanced physiology
the cure for everything is to balance the physiology
physiology needs to be balanced upstream
hormones are down stream
minerals / vitamins are upstream which create the enzyme reactions
only problem is everyone requires different things to balance

eventually the forum / Russian man settled on running trace elements hair test cycles to achieve balance
this was probably only settled on late 2018 before it caught on
currently most serious hackstasis members running TEI cycles
seems like theres been lots of improvements / some cures

no one seems to be completely optimised / balanced yet
2019: the race is on. Who will get a seriously balanced hair test first?
Lets define balance as: nothing crazy i.e. 4 lows or 4 highs
all ratios in the white

Lol this is great

 

[bruschi11]

Russian man has taught us very much. But one thing we are learning is that balancing minerals isn’t everything or everyone here would be @Goose12 in terms of success with this stuff.

It is a big part of health- huge and something everybody with health issues should be taking into account mightily. The ability to make your body detox itself with nutrients and make the full system run together as perfect as can be is the end product. It’s just about putting the correct parts in place just like a car, but this with the nutrients in the human body.

But there is more to health than just nutrient balance. And I think this forum needs to recognize this and have another “go to test” to go along with the hair analysis. I like organic acids for this as you get a look at the microbiome. Also, nutreval is another test to watch as it combines nutrients with organic acids.

Anyways, we are in a really good place compared to 2 years ago before the GBOLD era began. We knew that “health” got a lot of people better from post-pharma damage. We didn’t know exactly what health was though. Fixing hormones helped- but fixing hormones only seemed possible with either hormones themselves or crazy holistic health stories (such as Chi, English, cdsnuts).

Well, now we have a cleaner picture of what makes people right. In theory, I see the Chi’s of the world as people who made digestion so strong that the body took what it needed and it balanced the body.

With an extremely strong and clean microbiome, the body will utilize nutrition correctly. That is one of the first lessons Wilson teaches in his book. The body wants to be strong and will put itself into balance if given what’s needed.

Most of us are more than just chemically altered by these death chemicals we took. We had issues going into this. And we need to make that body of ours be capable of utilizing the nutrition we give it. There’s no other way to put it- and sometimes barriers need to be removed in order to get it there. Or somethings need to be put back in beyond nutrients- like say gut flora that was decimated by antibiotics.

The last two years have been huge for this community- but we haven’t hit the peak and I’d say we’re pretty far form it.

Which I think we all have the power to change. Don’t be afraid to be creative when it comes to this experimenting stuff. In 2017, I decided to water fast with probiotic enemas nightly for 21 days. Afterward I had perfect digestion and chronic fatigue was 99% gone. Nobody told me to do this- I just thought it made sense. Well, I’ll be doing very similar fast beginning this weekend.

I think we all are in a race to win each of our own’s best health possible. To say they are feeling back to they’re youth. Some of us are in competitions with ourselves to just get out of bad bad symptoms like severe chemical anxiety, depression, fatigue, impotence, major digestive issues. Some of us are well beyond this- and are about putting the final pieces together.

There are so many of us here in so many different body chemistries going through so many different things. None of us know exactly what the next guy is going though. But we know we’re all here for a reason. We aren’t right, we aren’t happy with our lives as these chemically altered human beings.

The next 3 years are going to be very interesting for this community. I hope in that span, when a person goes on the internet to realize their pharma injury that person realizes how simple and easy it is to fix themself. One day, there’s no panic when you have PAS, PFS, PSSD. Lyme, CFS too... where there’s a common route to being oneself again.

Let’s do this guys.

 

[Aleksandr]

Wow the peeps that commented in this thread are all still here!

 

[RebelWithACause]

Yea didn't expect so many still here or remember this place.

We lost some soldiers tho like zadig and Ocguy.

 

[RebelWithACause]

No matter if you think Ray Peat is full of shit - his idea of being objective about health and trying to fix it I think this is what made that forum good and brought different ideas together. And this eventually got this weird place started haha

 

[bruschi11]

Yea didn't expect so many still here or remember this place.

We lost some soldiers tho like zadig and Ocguy.

I gotta say it. Some people aren’t watching warranted to be called soldiers. And shouldn’t be mentioned in same sentence as others.

Zadig was like a 21 year old kid that was not very respectful to the people trying to help him like me and gbold. Tried hydrocortisone and then killed himself.

OcGuy battled CFS stuff for 20 years then had a heart attack. Got better for most part besides sexuality.

I get suicide. I get it. People battle disease and are in insurmountable torture for years on end no way out. Zadig wasn’t that. He was an immature kid who said fuck this I’m not gonna try and left.

OcGuy just died of something out of nowhere lol.

 

[Aleksandr]

No matter if you think Ray Peat is full of shit - his idea of being objective about health and trying to fix it I think this is what made that forum good and brought different ideas together. And this eventually got this weird place started haha

Yeah i haven't really been looking lately but no system I'm aware of makes more sense than htma in terms of general/ preventative health. I know for me i underconsume dietary calcium cos of my issue with everything dairy. And supplementing this/cofactors seemed to eventually help me out of 3 lows and I got more physically robust as a result. I was lucky it was simple for me in the past.

There's also the fact that if you "heal" yourself, the health of your body is always on spectrum and can change at any moment. We're always fighting death, that's what it is to live in a way. But if you "heal" yourself, let's say that means to move from a worse state to a better one (and arbitrary definition, as some wouldnt consider themselves healed i.e. from PFS unless they were as horny as when they were 18, but let's be honest if you're over 35 then someone who never had pfs is very unlikely to feel 18yo horniness still)... anyway, if you heal yourself, you can always fall back into poorer health again. I.e. you move to a new house but there's mould or the water pipes leech copper or something like that. It can be invisible and outside of your control, but at least a htma will pick up on your general health. I think that's what's happened to me lately. Or it could be that I stopped supplementing calcium and I'm back in 3 or 4 lows!

There's another product I like the sound of "self decode", it's a dna testing company but quite expensive so I've never done it.

 

[RebelWithACause]

I gotta say it. Some people aren’t watching warranted to be called soldiers. And shouldn’t be mentioned in same sentence as others.

Zadig was like a 21 year old kid that was not very respectful to the people trying to help him like me and gbold. Tried hydrocortisone and then killed himself.

OcGuy battled CFS stuff for 20 years then had a heart attack. Got better for most part besides sexuality.

I get suicide. I get it. People battle disease and are in insurmountable torture for years on end no way out. Zadig wasn’t that. He was an immature kid who said fuck this I’m not gonna try and left.

OcGuy just died of something out of nowhere lol.

I still consider him part of this stuff. He was 21 and suffering. At 21 I was a rascal as well. I think he was a very bad case and probably scared which is why he was so stubborn. It's a defense mechanism. He didnt deserve to end like that even if it was his own doing.

Anyways just wanted to shout them out because most people dont stand still about the death of guys like this but they went through a similar road like people here. A very niche place. Albeit indeed shortened for zadig.

I doubt Ocguy was healthy but he was a positive guy and contibuted and tried to fix himself. Just like others here. Sad that he died later on.

Also shout out to the guys still here and those who moved on and living there lives in a better way, I respect it lol.

 

[bruschi11]

I still consider him part of this stuff. He was 21 and suffering. At 21 I was a rascal as well. I think he was a very bad case and probably scared which is why he was so stubborn. It's a defense mechanism. He didnt deserve to end like that even if it was his own doing.

Anyways just wanted to shout them out because most people dont stand still about the death of guys like this but they went through a similar road like people here. A very niche place. Albeit indeed shortened for zadig.

I doubt Ocguy was healthy but he was a positive guy and contibuted and tried to fix himself. Just like others here. Sad that he died later on.

Also shout out to the guys still here and those who moved on and living there lives in a better way, I respect it lol.

It sucks what happened to him. Zadig. But he wasn’t a soldier. Just doesn’t deserve that tag.

If I killed myself when I was 28 and first got PFS. Like I was planning to. And followed through with it. I wasn’t a soldier. Soldiers go to battle. Fight for their lives. Freedom. And should be the utmost respected human beings. Zadig didn’t do that.

OcGuy did . For 2 decades. He wasn’t fully healthy but he was functional in terms of being able to work out to full capacity that type of stuff. I talked to him quite a bit on the phone over 4 years. He really was just longing for his sexuality.

 

[RebelWithACause]

Yeah i haven't really been looking lately but no system I'm aware of makes more sense than htma in terms of general/ preventative health. I know for me i underconsume dietary calcium cos of my issue with everything dairy. And supplementing this/cofactors seemed to eventually help me out of 3 lows and I got more physically robust as a result. I was lucky it was simple for me in the past.

There's also the fact that if you "heal" yourself, the health of your body is always on spectrum and can change at any moment. We're always fighting death, that's what it is to live in a way. But if you "heal" yourself, let's say that means to move from a worse state to a better one (and arbitrary definition, as some wouldnt consider themselves healed i.e. from PFS unless they were as horny as when they were 18, but let's be honest if you're over 35 then someone who never had pfs is very unlikely to feel 18yo horniness still)... anyway, if you heal yourself, you can always fall back into poorer health again. I.e. you move to a new house but there's mould or the water pipes leech copper or something like that. It can be invisible and outside of your control, but at least a htma will pick up on your general health. I think that's what's happened to me lately. Or it could be that I stopped supplementing calcium and I'm back in 3 or 4 lows!

There's another product I like the sound of "self decode", it's a dna testing company but quite expensive so I've never done it.

Horniness is very subjective. When my histamine is high I feel 18 year old horniness but I dislike it actually.

 

[RebelWithACause]

It sucks what happened to him. Zadig. But he wasn’t a soldier. Just doesn’t deserve that tag.

If I killed myself when I was 28 and first got PFS. Like I was planning to. And followed through with it. I wasn’t a soldier. Soldiers go to battle. Fight for their lives. Freedom. And should be the utmost respected human beings. Zadig didn’t do that.

OcGuy did . For 2 decades. He wasn’t fully healthy but he was functional in terms of being able to work out to full capacity that type of stuff. I talked to him quite a bit on the phone over 4 years. He really was just longing for his sexuality.

It's more like a way to pay respect. Not all soldiers fight in the battlefield for years on end. Some die without even able to do anything like on D-Day for example. 18 year old kids getting shot once they put a foot on the beach.

And in Zadig's case you could tell he was young and probably scared and did not know how to deal with the situation. Not saying he was easy to get along with he was completely shutting out any good advice and extremely stubborn. But I think this is from fear not from malice. He did try some stuff but obviously had the wrong ideas.

I thought about killing myself 24/7 for 3-4 years during PFS but never did it. They were just thoughts. When you actually kill yourself that's pretty much the end of the road you lost all hope completely to 0%. I can't even think like that. I have read more people who done it after mushrooms (also increase cortisol). Wouldn't be surprised if the hydrocortisone put him over the edge.

Ocguy was just a decent guy and I knew he was dealing with crap for a long time. That he died like that, that just sucks. But the fact he tried to get better is respectable. Especially because he was older already and the older you are the harder it is to have the energy to make big changes. Especially when dealing with CFS and illness.

Nothing comes close to real war of course we are not soldiers (except Walker was an actual soldier I think lol. But in this case people came together with similar issues and it sucks to see some of them not make it and end it on a more positive note. I hope you'll get to a point where you can also say that you are doing good.

 

[bruschi11]

It's more like a way to pay respect. Not all soldiers fight in the battlefield for years on end. Some die without even able to do anything like on D-Day for example. 18 year old kids getting shot once they put a foot on the beach.

And in Zadig's case you could tell he was young and probably scared and did not know how to deal with the situation. Not saying he was easy to get along with he was completely shutting out any good advice and extremely stubborn. But I think this is from fear not from malice. He did try some stuff but obviously had the wrong ideas.

I thought about killing myself 24/7 for 3-4 years during PFS but never did it. They were just thoughts. When you actually kill yourself that's pretty much the end of the road you lost all hope completely to 0%. I can't even think like that. I have read more people who done it after mushrooms (also increase cortisol). Wouldn't be surprised if the hydrocortisone put him over the edge.

Ocguy was just a decent guy and I knew he was dealing with crap for a long time. That he died like that, that just sucks. But the fact he tried to get better is respectable. Especially because he was older already and the older you are the harder it is to have the energy to make big changes. Especially when dealing with CFS and illness.

Nothing comes close to real war of course we are not soldiers (except Walker was an actual soldier I think lol. But in this case people came together with similar issues and it sucks to see some of them not make it and end it on a more positive note. I hope you'll get to a point where you can also say that you are doing good.

Yea I get it. I know what you’re saying.

I can’t stand the 21-25 year old kid in this world. They don’t gettttt it. And I’m not talking about 100% of them. I’m talking maybe 25%??

But the 25% of that 21-25 year old kid crowd. They don’t want to listen. They make things up. I was there once. Cuz yea some of these people are in their late 20s and 30s and 40s. Shut you down.

Like people gotta listen to others with experience. You’re fucked up. Others have been there for 10 plus years and know a thing or two about these conditions. Instead these young people knowing nothing about body chemistry make up these theories.

I’ve been dealing with trying to get a younger dude on the right page. A post covid vax dude. That just won’t accept there’s something beyond what everyone talks about in illness.

The Covid crowd really bad post covid and vaxxes. They’re lostttttt they’re sick. And they’re misinformed.

It’s a rough world out there in chronic illness world. A Wild West. Who is right? I think the closest is htma world. But yet…. The htma world is soooooo far away from truth it’s not even funny.

 

[RebelWithACause]

Yea I get it. I know what you’re saying.

I can’t stand the 21-25 year old kid in this world. They don’t gettttt it. And I’m not talking about 100% of them. I’m talking maybe 25%??

But the 25% of that 21-25 year old kid crowd. They don’t want to listen. They make things up. I was there once. Cuz yea some of these people are in their late 20s and 30s and 40s. Shut you down.

Like people gotta listen to others with experience. You’re fucked up. Others have been there for 10 plus years and know a thing or two about these conditions. Instead these young people knowing nothing about body chemistry make up these theories.

I’ve been dealing with trying to get a younger dude on the right page. A post covid vax dude. That just won’t accept there’s something beyond what everyone talks about in illness.

The Covid crowd really bad post covid and vaxxes. They’re lostttttt they’re sick. And they’re misinformed.

It’s a rough world out there in chronic illness world. A Wild West. Who is right? I think the closest is htma world. But yet…. The htma world is soooooo far away from truth it’s not even funny.

Yup. But it's kind of like a cycle. Like what we did 8 years ago every few years years you get a new batch of people. Back then I was clueless as well. It goes on forever. Every year there will be new PFS people. CFS people, etc. There's no easy cure (as in something that takes a few days or weeks) so it's useless to help everyone and majority of people will follow trends from YouTube and social media and then argue with opinions they got from YouTube/social media against yours. Absolutely useless. That's just my opinion.

What Helen, cdsnuts, HTMA practitioners and others who put a lot of time in helping people do is very altruistic but I doubt it's maintainable or enjoyable long term. It's like you are dealing with a hard reset every year with new people coming in. It's like shouting in the abyss.

That being said I am thankful people here on Hackstasis were patient back then. But I always read every word written here about PFS and health/biochemistry like a 100 times to understand it fully. And also read and experimented myself and make sense of it and kind of created my own method of doing things. Once you got that you can do things yourself vs. being dependent on people's opinions or beliefs on the internet.

When someone lacks understanding that person is quick to doubt when someone tells you a bunch of technical/theoritical health stuff. Simply because he/she doesn't understand it. And the arguments start.

Being some type of health guru one of the least thankful things you can do. I'm not made for it at least. I can't do it. Those who can I commend ya'll lol