ZINC FINGER THEORY DISCUSSION for PFS - 2 cases

[JonnyCraig]

Why are you taking ephedrine. Histidine will increase methylation by letting folate work. Why take agonists of adrenaline receptors. that can backfire like crazy

UP to you of course.

Usually ephidrine causes hairloss, and you knowing it still taking it? I observed many people start losing hair on it when they used it for training.

Supplements

Are you fighting the hairloss or you want to get bald?

When you fix your cortisol sensitivity this will allow methylation to work full speed and this will increase your adrenaline levels. By forcing adrenaline receptors, all you're doing is wasting magnesium and that basically lowering your cysteine.

Thanks gbolduev, I appreciate your insight and info.

Not sure if you saw my other thread where I said I was on ephedrine for nearly a decade.. (think it started in 2009) then 2010 to 2016, basically 5 days a week. 24mg usually per day when I dosed though, no crazy dosages.

My hair was pretty good up until late 2015 (when I fucked myself by taking RU58841) it raped my hairline.

I'm taking ephedrine lately because I need the boost @ work. It also obviously helps for the gym, too, want to look good on NYE.

This is short-term. Once Jan 1 hits, I'll stop.

But like I said... I'm shedding LESS right now, on the ephedrine! I am confused.

 

[JonnyCraig]

@TubZy how are you taking the cysteine and histidine?
Mixing it with water is so nasty.

I put it in my flavored BCAA drink.

 

[JonnyCraig]

Hmm. Mine's low now I think I have hypothyroid symptoms. Usually I run hot. In Canada -- I would wear light jackets in the winter, as long as I'm not outside too long. But with PFS, my bones/joints in my hands and feet hurt... and low energy too.
Ephedrine is def thermogenic, I used in teens a bit. Be careful with that.
Maybe the regimen is helping your hair shed less, I doubt ephedrine is... stimulants can cause hair loss in susceptible ppl.\

I'm usually very cold. Then again, it's 19C in my house... which is kinda cold to begin with.

I'm also in Canada.

I used to run hot as well (years ago).

TyroMix (t4/t3 2:1 ratio) did warm me up nicely. I feel darn good too. I think that made my hair worse though. Although I'm not 100% sure to tell you the truth. I was seeing a lot of negative reviews about it causing people to lose hair quickly and got scared off mostly.

If I was bald, I'd most likely go back on Thyroid meds right now.

 

[Scenes]

Is anybody just taking zinc + cysteine + histidine...as in straight zinc finger??

 

[Canari]

Right now and since June I'm on absolutely nothing except my asthma inhalers.

I don't know if you mentionned this before.... It means you are para-sympathetic dominant, which causes bronchial constriction.
Somebody made a method called after his name, Gesret, that is even taught in Canada in osteopathy school. It is based on the fact that it is a phantom information going to the brain, because of misplaced ribs, it is very subtle though, that send a wrong message on the vagus nerve. This nerve runs along the spine, where the joints to the ribs are. It is of course triggered by any other thing affecting nerves, but the basis explains why not everybody has asthma when having stress!

I casually mentioned this method to a woman, who told it to an asthmatic friend in Germany. She looked on Internet, had a practitioner that was near and took an appointment. In 3 sessions she was off a long term issue! Each time I saw my friend I was asking if it was still ok, and yes. So I told her I was not going to ask again, but if she could tell me if one day it changes... Until now no news, and I am happy to know I indirectly helped a woman I don't even know!

I think the nervous system is part of what makes a difference between people when they react or not, to an external trigger and even to drugs.

 

[hairloser]

@TubZy how are you taking the cysteine and histidine?
Mixing it with water is so nasty.

What about just eating the powder using scoop and drinking water straight afterwards? or is it imporant to disolve it in water first?

 

[wuf]

Is there any possible side effects by taking Histidine hcl + cysteine hcl?

 

[Helen]

Thanks gbolduev, I appreciate your insight and info.

Not sure if you saw my other thread where I said I was on ephedrine for nearly a decade.. (think it started in 2009) then 2010 to 2016, basically 5 days a week. 24mg usually per day when I dosed though, no crazy dosages.

My hair was pretty good up until late 2015 (when I fucked myself by taking RU58841) it raped my hairline.

I'm taking ephedrine lately because I need the boost @ work. It also obviously helps for the gym, too, want to look good on NYE.

This is short-term. Once Jan 1 hits, I'll stop.

But like I said... I'm shedding LESS right now, on the ephedrine! I am confused.

You are shedding less on cysteine, no ephidrine.

Why would you ever take RU58841 if your hair was good? Makes no sense. Ephidrine caused magnesium waste in your case, magnesium is needed to get to cysteine in the body, cysteine along with iron and histidine are needed to transport biotin from the intestine

 

[Admiral]

Is the Serine in the full protocol the same as Phosphatidyl Serine? I can’t get my hands on it otherwise..

 

[Sevens]

Hi everyone, i was pretty inactive and sorry that i didn’t reply.
Soo i felt pretty good on the things i mentioned in my post, but i added vitamin e to the protocol because it was the last days of the Clomid protocol and really got signs of low Estrogen. I didn’t take it since then. Last Sunday i added Beta alanine citrulin and arginine.
On that day a drank all things together with HCL and got really really bad stomach aches, since then i feel not so good anymore maybe something happened, was very fatigued and anxious the next days. Also one mistake was to increase folate from 500 mcg to 1000 mcg 2 days after the alanine citrulin arginine Combo.
The next day i really had very heavy breath problems i think due the potassium wich was always low and the methylation push just used that little bit that left. I tanked a lot of potassium the last days and slowly feel better now. In the last week i dont had Libido at all i comes back slowly now.

 

[Sevens]

Is the Serine in the full protocol the same as Phosphatidyl Serine? I can’t get my hands on it otherwise..

I have Phosphatdyl Serine too, should be okay.
I really have the feeling that histidine and the aspartic acid are really doing a lot. I took me 4 Days to feel something like erection or libido but on the 4th or 5th day it really hits me hard, strong erections, fuller testicles and libido thru the roof.

 

[mindtech]

I have Phosphatdyl Serine too, should be okay.
I really have the feeling that histidine and the aspartic acid are really doing a lot. I took me 4 Days to feel something like erection or libido but on the 4th or 5th day it really hits me hard, strong erections, fuller testicles and libido thru the roof.

Sevens, which aspartic acid product are you taking?

 

[Helen]

Hi everyone, i was pretty inactive and sorry that i didn’t reply.
Soo i felt pretty good on the things i mentioned in my post, but i added vitamin e to the protocol because it was the last days of the Clomid protocol and really got signs of low Estrogen. I didn’t take it since then. Last Sunday i added Beta alanine citrulin and arginine.
On that day a drank all things together with HCL and got really really bad stomach aches, since then i feel not so good anymore maybe something happened, was very fatigued and anxious the next days. Also one mistake was to increase folate from 500 mcg to 1000 mcg 2 days after the alanine citrulin arginine Combo.
The next day i really had very heavy breath problems i think due the potassium wich was always low and the methylation push just used that little bit that left. I tanked a lot of potassium the last days and slowly feel better now. In the last week i dont had Libido at all i comes back slowly now.

Beta alanine? methylfolate? there is no beta alanine on the protocol, also there is no methyl forms of folate on the protocol. Both of them lower histidine

Active form of folate converts histidine to glutamic acid. That is why people experience methylation problems in histidine deficiency, and when they take methylation , they run into potassium problems and this and that, since it kills histidine even lower and raises cortisol.

that is why I said to increase foods with folate, not some methyl folate. and let the body convert folic acid into its active form as needed once histidine goes up.

Plus aminos, you should take in very small amounts, you need to concentrade on histidine cysteine, aspartic acid, serine.

 

[JonnyCraig]

You are shedding less on cysteine, no ephidrine.

Why would you ever take RU58841 if your hair was good? Makes no sense. Ephidrine caused magnesium waste in your case, magnesium is needed to get to cysteine in the body, cysteine along with iron and histidine are needed to transport biotin from the intestine

Near end of 2015, my hairline was receding more than I would have liked. Avoided fin and got on RU58841 to 'maintain', just applied on hairline. In 3 months, my little recession was quadrupled.. by the RU58841, it ate my hairline away

Thanks for the info!

I am supplementing with Magnesium now, since few weeks ago. But I was not using it regularly in the past!

Yes, so far so good on Cysteine!

 

[JonnyCraig]

Beta alanine? methylfolate? there is no beta alanine on the protocol, also there is no methyl forms of folate on the protocol. Both of them lower histidine

Active form of folate converts histidine to glutamic acid. That is why people experience methylation problems in histidine deficiency, and when they take methylation , they run into potassium problems and this and that, since it kills histidine even lower and raises cortisol.

that is why I said to increase foods with folate, not some methyl folate. and let the body convert folic acid into its active form as needed once histidine goes up.

Plus aminos, you should take in very small amounts, you need to concentrade on histidine cysteine, aspartic acid, serine.

Crap... and I have methylfolate on the way, lol.

BTW I am eating spinach DAILY now to boost folic acid !!! I read it's the best for this.

 

[Helen]

Crap... and I have methylfolate on the way, lol.

BTW I am eating spinach DAILY now to boost folic acid !!! I read it's the best for this.

Yes spinach is good, that is why I put it in the protocol, it has everything needed when the stomach acid goes back online

 

[JonnyCraig]

Yes spinach is good, that is why I put it in the protocol, it has everything needed when the stomach acid goes back online

is MSM good?

I also ordered L-Phenylalaine 500mg caps, L-methionine 500mg caps, good? Part of EAA.

I know you said you lost hair on L-meth, but it seems very good for hair in general..?

 

[Helen]

please also remember, those patents that we saw

had cysteine histidine copper zinc

and the second, had copper hystidine, lysine.

So people could try those also.

 

[Admiral]

Does potassium, sodium and magnesium have to be in chloride form? Sodium and potassium chloride especially are impossible to find. None in supplemental form at least.

 

[JonnyCraig]

please also remember, those patents that we saw

had cysteine histidine copper zinc

and the second, had copper hystidine, lysine.

So people could try those also.

Thanks.

I got the L-Lysine/zinc/copper covered.

I use around 4g of Lysine a day, morning and night.

Zinc 22mg in the day (picolinate)

Copper 2mg at night (Bisglycinate)