GHK-Cu: Hairloss, PFS, COPD, Fibromalgia Discussion

[Aleksandr]

What is FREE copper? Is it the one that appears in the hair test? Or the one shown in blood test?
(it seems levels are opposite between hair test and blood test...)

I think free copper = hair test

 

[Canari]

Then what.... I am a slow with low copper? Lower than zinc in hair? I am in the lowest range for copper, I talk about ratio, zinc is higher. If free copper is the one in blood test, then yes I have higher copper than zinc!
Would I be a mixed if I had the test with arl? I need to make thyroid go up, but which free copper can I bind if I do not have much?

About cortisol, if food cravings stopped after a fast, doesn't it mean I did not have it low but high and insensitive?

 

[Aleksandr]

@Canari no i dont think you are mixed, you seem definitely slow. Slow 1 right?

Its strange your copper on hair is low and you're a slow 1. People all seem different...

 

[Canari]

you seem definitely slow. Slow 1 right?

Its strange your copper on hair is low and you're a slow 1. People all seem different...

Yes slow 1.... I do not see why all slows would be high in copper! How can it usually go with slows? What is the link with being slow AND implying high in copper at the same time?
I seem to be a alien slow, as TEI tells me to take copper and i had all doubts about being copper toxic... so I do not know which sort of copper I should try and if I should follow what TEI says...

Also, you all talk about progestin being bad because synthetic, but I took progest-e, and not only it did nothing for hot flashes, but I think it maintained them. In RPF they all talk about feeling quickly the effect of progesterone, and I needed auto-suggestion to feel anything! Nothing visible.

Progesterone and estrogens are linked to copper and zinc. So I think there can be something wrong also with taking natural progesterone when not needed. But by blood progesterone was rather low, tested only once at the moment I still had periods but coming after 2 or 3 weeks instead of 4.

I can see I can connect with the protein problem, with histamine, cortisol levels, inflamation... but i cannot yet make the puzzle fit....

 

[supernature]

What is FREE copper? Is it the one that appears in the hair test? Or the one shown in blood test?
(it seems levels are opposite between hair test and blood test...)

...

 

[opiath]

It should be noted that when GHK-Cu gets going it will induce a lot of collagen synthesis.
Glycine and proline will be drained a lot and this will increase protein requirement.

Stimulation of collagen synthesis in fibroblast cultures by the tripeptide-copper complex glycyl-L-histidyl-L-lysine-Cu2+ - ScienceDirect

 

[Scenes]

Anyone trying this with any luck?
@TubZy @JonnyCraig @brix @gbolduev @tallglass13

My hair is getting desperately close to just needing to be shaved off...hate it.

 

[JonnyCraig]

Anyone trying this with any luck?
@TubZy @JonnyCraig @brix @gbolduev @tallglass13

My hair is getting desperately close to just needing to be shaved off...hate it.

Sorry to hear that. Thought you were doing well on the other protocol, although I suppose that was in terms of PFS symptoms and not related to hair loss (although you did shed less, if I remember correctly).

Nothing to report as of yet, I am still waiting for my shipment of Glycine.

Will keep everyone posted though.

 

[TubZy]

Anyone trying this with any luck?
@TubZy @JonnyCraig @brix @gbolduev @tallglass13

My hair is getting desperately close to just needing to be shaved off...hate it.

Not yet just got back from vacation not too long ago...playing catch up...

Have you tried selenium sulfide shampoo + oral castor oil for at least time being until you get on this protocol?

 

[Helen]

I think may be this complex has to be combined in the body and it happens only in fast metabolism. Thus they are using it externally?

people with Pfs should try NAC and selenium. also

 

[Helen]

@Scenes / what have you been taking?

 

[tallglass13]

@Scenes, No, would like to add it, but I have to watch my spending, been spending a lot of money lately. I may get some heat for this, but I just started minoxidil. I have used it in the past, and had major sides. like SOB when lying down. I got this special kind with 3% minoxidil mixed with herbs, and I feel good on it. Im growing my hair out from a clean shave. looks bad, but I have a hairline so from the front it looks like im growing hair. Still doing Carnosine with biotin, and sometimes cysteine. If I cant grow any hair with Minoxidl and a hackstasis/gbolduev protocol, then I will give up and shave again.

 

[tallglass13]

@gbolduev , To become cortisol insensitivity , that means we use/used to much cortisol for inflammation or sex over a period of time, correct? for example, if we take testosterone, that would make us insensitive to testosterone. Drinking coffee is known to raise cortisol, so would drinking things that stimulate cortisol like coffee or energy drinks, make us cortisol insensitive also?

 

[tallglass13]

OMG, a female co-worker in the ER just commented on my hair. she said "Chris, what happened to your hair in the back, it used to be full?" I explained that it looked full because I used to shave it , and it looks a lot more even when shaved with a "0", and now I haven't shaved for 3-4 weeks so the bald areas are obvious. this sucks, I put on my beanie and cant wait to get home tonight and shave.
Gbold, I demand you find a cure for male pattern baldness...hahaha

 

[opiath]

@gbolduev
I've been doing carnosine for a 2 weeks. GHK protocol for a week.
I am fast oxidizer with 4 lows on hair test. (not a PFS or CFS case)
I think GHK might be my cure.
Carnosine launched my thyroid at first but the effect didn't last more than 3 days.
Then I added lysine a week ago and got the thyroid working again.
I've been able to keep it up by dosing 2g Glycine/ 1g Lysine/ 500mg Carnosine 3-4 times daily.
If I miss doses my thyroid comes down and adrenaline goes up again which is my usual state.
It might mean I have a lot of free copper.

My theory is I have high potassium in the cell but low progesterone because in the past when I took copper or vitamin D this tanked my potassium and I could feel progesterone going up (feet become warm, gallbladder starts working).
But this always snapped back with negative reactions.
Copper made me more hypothyroid and increased candida. Vitamin D snapped back in a matter of hours with headaches and joint pain.
I think high intracellular potassium/sodium might be my compensation for low thyroid killed by free copper with histidine and lysine being limiting factors.

I will update my progress here when I have more news.

 

[JonnyCraig]

Not yet just got back from vacation not too long ago...playing catch up...

Have you tried selenium sulfide shampoo + oral castor oil for at least time being until you get on this protocol?

Selenium Sulfide shampoo is a bit scary.. there were documented cases where people has diffused hair loss, that subsided upon cessation of the shampoo.

Oral castor oil.. hasn't it been shown to reduce serum T levels? Does it actually work????? I've heard multiple people say it makes their hair thicker... I used to use it, but I didn't notice that. Perhaps I need to re-try it...

 

[TubZy]

@gbolduev
I've been doing carnosine for a 2 weeks. GHK protocol for a week.
I am fast oxidizer with 4 lows on hair test. (not a PFS or CFS case)
I think GHK might be my cure.
Carnosine launched my thyroid at first but the effect didn't last more than 3 days.
Then I added lysine a week ago and got the thyroid working again.
I've been able to keep it up by dosing 2g Glycine/ 1g Lysine/ 500mg Carnosine 3-4 times daily.
If I miss doses my thyroid comes down and adrenaline goes up again which is my usual state.
It might mean I have a lot of free copper.

My theory is I have high potassium in the cell but low progesterone because in the past when I took copper or vitamin D this tanked my potassium and I could feel progesterone going up (feet become warm, gallbladder starts working).
But this always snapped back with negative reactions.
Copper made me more hypothyroid and increased candida. Vitamin D snapped back in a matter of hours with headaches and joint pain.
I think high intracellular potassium/sodium might be my compensation for low thyroid killed by free copper with histidine and lysine being limiting factors.

I will update my progress here when I have more news.

Thanks! keep us updated

 

[TubZy]

Selenium Sulfide shampoo is a bit scary.. there were documented cases where people has diffused hair loss, that subsided upon cessation of the shampoo.

Oral castor oil.. hasn't it been shown to reduce serum T levels? Does it actually work????? I've heard multiple people say it makes their hair thicker... I used to use it, but I didn't notice that. Perhaps I need to re-try it...

Use EOD, excess selenium can cause hair loss just keep it EOD.

I think the castor oil study you are talking about they were like injecting rats with a shit on of castor oil? You only need like 0.5ml - 1ml of castor oil per day orally to get results.

 

[TubZy]

Peeps - lets start testing GHK-Cu out for hair loss, skin, PFS or anything. Lets see what we notice, we just need some more people testing this out. Who is testing this so far besides @opiath and @JonnyCraig ?

Maybe start with:

• 1 gram glycine
• 1 gram lysine
• 250-500mg of histidine
• 1 gram vitamin C
• 2mg copper glycinate (or another amino acid chelate)

Take it all at once maybe 1 or 2 times per day.

From the study in the OP

The human blood tripeptide GHK possesses many positive effects but declines with age. It improves wound healing and tissue regeneration (skin, hair follicles, stomach and intestinal linings, and boney tissue), increases collagen and glycosaminoglycans, stimulates synthesis of decorin, increases angiogenesis, and nerve outgrowth, possesses antioxidant and anti-inflammatory effects, and increases cellular stemness and the secretion of trophic factors by mesenchymal stem cells. Recently, GHK has been found to reset genes of diseased cells from patients with cancer or COPD to a more healthy state.

 

[jacknap]

I think may be this complex has to be combined in the body and it happens only in fast metabolism. Thus they are using it externally?

people with Pfs should try NAC and selenium. also

i used nac with selenium before i even crashed and post crash but i crashed from ru58841. it didn't help