ZINC FINGER THEORY DISCUSSION for PFS - 2 cases

[Steve]

Guys , this is not a protocol and Scenes is not balanced. if he is losing his hair.

We don’t care about balanced if it gets rid of pfs.

In this situation, hair means nothing. I know you say it does but it doesnt.

If you could just worry about pfs and then later turn your attention to hair once we are cured, then that would be much appreciated

 

[wuf]

I’m doing great still post pfs. Hair is absolutely trashed though. Never been short in my life but I think it might almost be time to clip that bad boy down!!

If you are recovered from PFS, stay far away from any supplement since as we know even a multi vit can screw you up. Stay bald or get an hair trasplant when it will be convenient.
Guys, girls don't care about hair, they care about how much man you are. They look at your character, your kindness, your brave, your skills, the way you can ever be a good father and protect their family....LOL HAIR!!!! Come on, it is time to grow up and look forward after you have been blessed to be out from this shit hell.
Trust me man, get out and enjoy your life without ever think about taking anything anymore for this bullshit hair story.
Just think to be a man.

 

[Helen]

You guys dont understand. It is not about hair or your dick. it is about a balance and so you dont get other diseases. This is all its about.

Scenes is not balanced. And I dont know if this will stick with him yet. I am dealing with him and Tubzy personally, when those 2 are balanced. We will post how we did it.

 

[TubZy]

We don’t care about balanced if it gets rid of pfs.

In this situation, hair means nothing. I know you say it does but it doesnt.

If you could just worry about pfs and then later turn your attention to hair once we are cured, then that would be much appreciated

That is what I told him too lol. Fix pfs worry about hair later, but I don't mind experimenting. Me and Scenes seem to be very similar as well, we both respond to the same things and we get worse on the same things.

 

[wuf]

You guys dont understand. It is not about hair or your ****. it is about a balance and so you dont get other diseases. This is all its about.

Scenes is not balanced. And I dont know if this will stick with him yet. I am dealing with him and Tubzy personally, when those 2 are balanced. We will post how we did it.

If he is working and feels good, that's enough..what balance means? Is there any book with a green light telling you "Yes, now you are balanced"...what does balance mean??
We are all different, so balance means feeling good and be functional the most we can.
He says he is feeling good and he is functional. So what are you looking to change on him, I don't get.. there is any balance in this world, bvalance is you feeling yourself good .

 

[Steve]

That is what I told him too lol. Fix pfs worry about hair later, but I don't mind experimenting. Me and Scenes seem to be very similar as well, we both respond to the same things and we get worse on the same things.

How do you feel on the protocol you are doing? Do you think you are nearly cured?

I’m hoping for this so badly for you, me and everyone. We need to end this once and for all.

 

[Raincoast]

Every male in my fam is bald young.
I'm far from balanced. With full hair @43.
Dad had a transplant in the 80's. His remaining hair continued to fall after. Showing off the bizarre replants. Dad ended up getting tattoos on his scalp later to hide it. A real mess, and he doesn't have the option to shave it now.
No amount of fasting or clean living helped him.
Could this be mostly genes? I mean occasionally in my fam, some relatives kept their hair, despite bad lifestyle, and died young to boot. So it's not like they were healthy.
Thoughts?

 

[tanedout]

question: I've been taking 500mg cys + hist for the last few weeks and have gotten some pretty great improvements on top of the "normalization" my body has gone through over the last few months. I'm noticing my results are starting to wax and wane and I'm just curious how long someone would rec being on cys+hist for?

Sounds good! Have you done a log in the logs section with background and full details of what you are taking? Would be interesting to hear

PFS, PSSD, Post Accutane Logs

 

[Ghost]

There is no universal cure for the human condition. We have all been dying since the day we were born.

Super glad that @TubZy and @Scenes are doing great post-PFS. Really happy for you guys. I'm hoping I'll be following in your footsteps soon enough.

 

[TubZy]

How do you feel on the protocol you are doing? Do you think you are nearly cured?

I’m hoping for this so badly for you, me and everyone. We need to end this once and for all.

Hi, I'm not fully cured yet but major improvements, just been testing stuff with gbol. Still catching up from a super long vacation out of the country. The vacation thing kinda put me on hold for a bit. I'll try to do an update today of the stuff that helped me and what made me worse.

 

[MNK99]

I think it's definitely genes and environment*. Which genes exactly? I don't know. It must be far more complicated than Merck's model of "excess DHT". It's just like other big pharma companies putting depression down to "a serotonin problem".

I have maybe 7 male family members with major hair loss and like 7 without it. I had way better hair than my brother and dad, near perfect -- at a slightly older age. Until stimulant medication, and then anticonvulsant medication. Also my pattern is unlike my brother and father. Mine is diffuse. Telogen effluvium except it didn't come back, perhaps the genes for hairloss were turned on. It could have happened earlier tho with other meds, didn't thankfully. I think it could be epigenetic and it's for sure nature and nurture. I've seen people with all manner of neuro and psyche meds lose hair. Some regrew afterwards, often they did not. Some never worsened tho, like a female friend that took Wellbutrin. She had "parts in her hair". Same with me post-adderall. To the uninitiated, even doctors they'd think "no hair loss", but it was marked difference for her and I. Mine's worse now... but I'm male and tried other stuff.

My eyebrows would shed on amps too. I put spiro cream on there. I had such nice angled eyebrows. Thinner now.

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Quote@Raincoast:
"Every male in my fam is bald young.
I'm far from balanced. With full hair @43.
Dad had a transplant in the 80's. His remaining hair continued to fall after. Showing off the bizarre replants. Dad ended up getting tattoos on his scalp later to hide it. A real mess, and he doesn't have the option to shave it now.
No amount of fasting or clean living helped him.
Could this be mostly genes? I mean occasionally in my fam, some relatives kept their hair, despite bad lifestyle, and died young to boot. So it's not like they were healthy.
Thoughts?"

 

[Jamie]

I think it's definitely genes. Which genes exactly? I don't know. It must be far more complicated than Merck's model of "excess DHT". It's just like other big pharma companies putting depression down to "a serotonin problem".

I have maybe 7 male family members with major hair loss and like 7 without it. I had way better hair than my brother and dad, near perfect -- at a slightly older age. Until stimulant medication, and then anticonvulsant medication. Also my pattern is unlike my brother and father. Mine is diffuse. Telogen effluvium except it didn't come back, perhaps the genes for hairloss were turned on. It could have happened earlier tho with other meds, didn't thankfully. I think it could be epigenetic and it's for sure nature and nurture. I've seen people with all manner of neuro and psyche meds lose hair. Some regrew afterwards, often they did not. Some never worsened tho, like a female friend that took Wellbutrin. She had "parts in her hair". Same with me post-adderall. To the uninitiated, even doctors they'd think "no hair loss", but it was marked difference for her and I. Mine's worse now... but I'm male and tried other stuff.

My eyebrows would shed on amps too. I put spiro cream on there. I had such nice angled eyebrows. Thinner now.

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Quote@Raincoast:
"Every male in my fam is bald young.
I'm far from balanced. With full hair @43.
Dad had a transplant in the 80's. His remaining hair continued to fall after. Showing off the bizarre replants. Dad ended up getting tattoos on his scalp later to hide it. A real mess, and he doesn't have the option to shave it now.
No amount of fasting or clean living helped him.
Could this be mostly genes? I mean occasionally in my fam, some relatives kept their hair, despite bad lifestyle, and died young to boot. So it's not like they were healthy.
Thoughts?"

I will not agree with you. That all does not mean that there is some kind of mysterious balding gene which no one have ever seen.

 

[JonnyCraig]

I understand the comments about hair but..

For someone as vain as myself.. losing hair is quite detrimental to my overall health.

So, I definitely care, about that aspect.

 

[wuf]

I understand the comments about hair but..

For someone as vain as myself.. losing hair is quite detrimental to my overall health.

So, I definitely care, about that aspect.

Man, I wouldn't be here if I was not the same as you. Vain.
The thing is to learn the lesson even being vain.
Plus I guess you would ruin your health much less thinking about hairloss all day, instead of being a stupid zombie for life stucked in PFS.
Anyway, to each his own.
I just think and focus to get well, hair or withour hair (I have)

 

[Jamie]

Man, I wouldn't be here if I was not the same as you. Vain.
The thing is to learn the lesson even being vain.
Plus I guess you would ruin your health much less thinking about hairloss all day, instead of being a stupid zombie for life stucked in PFS.
Anyway, to each his own.
I just think and focus to get well, hair or withour hair (I have)

But you don't get this that hairloss is connected to a disbalance in body. I am a fast oxidizer and in the time of the worse shedding I also had weak muscles and heart racing. I have always been very lean and muscular. I lost 4kg of muscle mass in the time of 4 months

 

[wuf]

But you don't get this that hairloss is connected to a disbalance in body. I am a fast oxidizer and in the time of the worse shedding I also had weak muscles and heart racing. I have always been very lean and muscular. I lost 4kg of muscle mass in the time of 4 months

I don't know your specific case, for me and I guess for the most people loosing hair. It is just hair falling down. My father has no hair, and he had a great an healty life even without...same as many other guys I know without hair...they are fine, having sex and enjoy life.
So loosing hair is like having glasses cause you can not see well...
What do you do when you put glasses? You start taking supplements cause you have an imbalance?LOL
My father is around 70 years old now, I guess he is not having sex every day...what should he do, go to the doctor?LOL
What I want to say is that there is a way in life, that way is "to get older" in the way your body goes, but that doesn't mean having imbalance, otherwise we would all be david beckham, like robots.
Good, white teeth, perfect hair, being tall, being lean, being rich and living in Hollywood..LOL
I don't think being bald means having any imbalance.

 

[mattyb]

I don't know your specific case, for me and I guess for the most people loosing hair. It is just hair falling down. My father has no hair, and he had a great an healty life even without...same as many other guys I know without hair...they are fine, having sex and enjoy life.
So loosing hair is like having glasses cause you can not see well...
What do you do when you put glasses? You start taking supplements cause you have an imbalance?LOL
My father is around 70 years old now, I guess he is not having sex every day...what should he do, go to the doctor?LOL
What I want to say is that there is a way in life, that way is "to get older" in the way your body goes, but that doesn't mean having imbalance, otherwise we would all be david beckham, like robots.
Good, white teeth, perfect hair, being tall, being lean, being rich and living in Hollywood..LOL
I don't think being bald means having any imbalance.

I agree with most of this. We all need a reminder every now and then that aging is normal and perfectly fine. Not everyone is perfect, and often people who appear perfect on the outside aren't actually perfect. My ex-girlfriend was super lucky that she always looked good, she could stay very lean despite eating junk food all the time. At least that's what most people saw. She actually had IBD, and this is what kept her lean - her nutrient absorption was so poor the food never made it's way in. Everyone, even perfect people, carry their own hidden burdens and almost no ones life or health is really perfect.

I think being bald just shows that at one time you were imbalanced. Shedding is imbalance. But being bald and not shedding doesn't speak to your current state - I lost most of my hair about +8 years ago. But I haven't shed anymore hair since then and other than a 1.5 year hiccup in between I have been perfectly healthy and happy.

I think once you are bald, the hair doesn't come back with balance. I think it requires more to regrow hair than just balancing yourself.

 

[wuf]

I agree with most of this. We all need a reminder every now and then that aging is normal and perfectly fine. Not everyone is perfect, and often people who appear perfect on the outside aren't actually perfect. My ex-girlfriend was super lucky that she always looked good, she could stay very lean despite eating junk food all the time. At least that's what most people saw. She actually had IBD, and this is what kept her lean - her nutrient absorption was so poor the food never made it's way in. Everyone, even perfect people, carry their own hidden burdens and almost no ones life or health is really perfect.

I think being bald just shows that at one time you were imbalanced. Shedding is imbalance. But being bald and not shedding doesn't speak to your current state - I lost most of my hair about +8 years ago. But I haven't shed anymore hair since then and other than a 1.5 year hiccup in between I have been perfectly healthy and happy.

I think once you are bald, the hair doesn't come back with balance. I think it requires more to regrow hair than just balancing yourself.

...and then you will get your hair back and create an imbalance as all guys on here did by using Propecia etc...! LOL

 

[JonnyCraig]

Man, I wouldn't be here if I was not the same as you. Vain.
The thing is to learn the lesson even being vain.
Plus I guess you would ruin your health much less thinking about hairloss all day, instead of being a stupid zombie for life stucked in PFS.
Anyway, to each his own.
I just think and focus to get well, hair or withour hair (I have)

Another thing is, my hair loss was LARGELY kick-started by megadosing vitamin B5, in 2012.

I had great thick hair. 2 months into using that.... shed like crazy, and just continued to dwindle down... really ever recovered from it.

So the fact that I did it to myself (like you did with fin) is also what hurts.

If I had baldness in my family and whatnot, then sure.... but, looking at family history I should have great hair genes. I kickstarted my hair loss somehow with B5, and that is a hard pill to swallow.

 

[Orion]

I kickstarted my hair loss somehow with B5, and that is a hard pill to swallow.

Same accutane and B5... so simple to start the process of shedding, wish the reverse was the same.