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All good inputs.. Anyone got f***** with randro?

We talked about Ella /Ru initially however not seeing new trials anymore. Comparing it with R-andro, is R-andro offering better results? Less sides? FYI - I have tried Ella (1/10th , single dose) as well as RU. With Ella, I went back to pre-PFS for a week and then started getting PFS symptoms...

Yes agree with this - anti estrogen must be taken with lot of caution. I have high estrogen from what Dutch test showed however after trying a few doses of even a weak anti estrogen(suggested by naturopath), back pain started and then muscular pain almost everywhere. That time decided to...

Has anyone tried DUTCH test to measure DHT and used r-andro when DHT was low?

So what is the option for people like me with low DHT levels (as measured in DUTCH test)? I took finasteride and later saw palmetto for a few days - that’s how all this started many years back

Had high estrogen and low T and DHT so thought to go this way. Do you think rotating T boosters n fasting might help?

Not sure however it has antioxidants such as phenolic acids, anthocyanins and proanthocyanidin complexes. It is an aromatase inhibitor to some extent.

Still with grape seed and DIM. I’m experiencing lot of stiffness and muscular pain. I thought this combo will increase T by suppressing estrogen however looks like something not going as planned. (May be too much suppression) Options to try: - rotate with royal jelly, Ashwagandha, Tribulus...

Is R-Andro better option than 4andro for those with low DHT/low T ?

For those like me, with low DHT and T (high Estrogen), is R-Andro an option?

My blood work results for T and E came in. Test was done before I started grape seed and DIM. Free T: 395 range: 196-636 Estradiol: 84 range: <162 These are quite different from DUTCH test which shows very low T and very high E values. I would trust DUTCH test more.

I have tried grape seed extract and DIM for over a week now. -Initially felt very good - more energy and libido -After day 3, had dry skin even though continued to have good energy. Today, along with dry skin I’m feeling muscular pain especially shoulder and back. Not sure why? I was assuming...

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Yes, I will be taking this combo for sometime.

Got TEI retest report (scalp hair). This report have some differences vs one with pubic hair. Most supps stayed the same except B6 replaced by Min-Plex Also, took grape see extract and DIM as recommended by doctor. Will try it for few days before going back to TEI

Yes I did compared with my old Testosterone report. They were in different points in time however directionally were similar - both report show T on lower side. For B12, my most recent test a few months back show normal results however Dutch test highlighted a possibility of b12 deficiency ..

Not sure of hot shower but if I put on too many or tight clothes, it is worse

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My naturopath thinks that grape seed extract which is an aromatase inhibitor will help in improving my T by suppressing aromatisation which is resulting In High E. Waiting for my 3rd TEI test (this time scalp sample)

Thanks:) From @Helen post: “But when you go off fin, this increases 5 alpha back to normal and beyond , but it totally inhibits 5 beta even more since NADPH decreases 5 beta This is why andro works( inhibits 5 alpha) , 5 alpha inhibitors work, licorice works( increases cortisol) and this...