I would certainly give that a try. Do we have a protocol for it?
Are we losing steam in finding cures?
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We can take what you're pointing out a step further. Only CD has provided photographs of improvement and only English has provided T level analysis to support his improvements. No one else to my knowledge has anything officially documented. No measurements, test readings, 5ar urine reading, thyroid changes, gym pics, etc. This is practically as faith based as the decision to take fin in the first place.
I'm not throwing any indirect or direct negativity at us here, just stating it because its better to just go all the way down that trail of thought now, to snap out of it.
We definitely do need better documentation or we arent proper hackers in my humble opinion. We may as well then attribute all improvements to hyper-positivity and hyper-denial, another symptom of PFS.
We need to take better record of everything.
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There’s no such thing as documentation with health other than word of mouth. And that’s for any type of health issue.
Plenty mouths (at least 100) have told me there is a way out. Including myself who has come very close to the other side.
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There must be physical proof to support a health claim. Sorry but word of mouth is like telling me to believe in Santa Clause.
When you have a gym regimen and tell people to follow it do they just say ok? Or do the people analyze your muscles, definition, fat percentage, energy etc?
Thats coming from the outward view of whats going on in these forums. You can prove to have PFS by physical changes both internal/external. The reverse should be true then, you can prove to be recovered or recovering by physical changes.
Like I said CD and English are the only ones to provide any record. Not even Chi provided pics, only test improvements of cleansing himself from parasites and bacteria.
What is this word of mouth crap?
If we will claim science then follow it to the letter or stop faking it.
Just to clarify, Im not saying this forum is faking anything. Just stating the obvious because the original post brings up the point.
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There are no documents or test readings to prove that we suffer from PFS in the first place
Medically speaking, it's "only" 2019 now, we are still far from being able to measure health markers, levels, and say with certainty "here it's low, you must suffer from ED", or "this is high, you must suffer from dry skin", especially for this condition
People took a drug that triggered symptoms. They followed some routines, protocols, whatever, and recovered, how doesn't that translate to a recovery?
People could lie on the internet, true. But using common sense is enough to see what's real and what's not
Like it or not this is only what we have for now
Overthinking hasn't ever helped anyone
Chose and follow a protocol, forget about it and focus on other aspects of your life
No offense, wishing you the best
Medically speaking, it's "only" 2019 now, we are still far from being able to measure health markers, levels, and say with certainty "here it's low, you must suffer from ED", or "this is high, you must suffer from dry skin", especially for this condition
People took a drug that triggered symptoms. They followed some routines, protocols, whatever, and recovered, how doesn't that translate to a recovery?
People could lie on the internet, true. But using common sense is enough to see what's real and what's not
Like it or not this is only what we have for now
Overthinking hasn't ever helped anyone
Chose and follow a protocol, forget about it and focus on other aspects of your life
No offense, wishing you the best
The only ones claiming theres no evidence is the same pharma industry that you just quoted. Of course the same system that sells the poison denies it is poison, or tells you the evidence is inconclusive.
No offense but what do you gain from repeating nonsense? You should apply to Merck, they could use another PR person.
Who would claim theres a such thing as overthinking? The "overthinking" shouldve been done in the first place, then there would be many less people falling for the trap. Who would seriously continue thru life like that?
oh someone who doesnt like to think.
No offense man no offense.
Please dont wish me anything.
Wishes dont get results and are empty words. Sprinkle that empty humanity on others please.
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"Choose and follow a protocol, forget about it and focus on other aspects of your life".
Health is life, health is wealth. Vicecaz are you seriously not a Merck bot? I survived through the brainfog, anxiety, suicidal ideation and depression. Its actually a good sign Im not gonna punk out on what everyone here should be doing.
If youre not a Merck bot heres the protocol that helped me recover some of that good old fashioned leader qualities EVERY man should be born with.
Juice feast
mineral supplementation
B vitamins
healthy fats
exercise
3.8 GPA here and that was with extreme migraines lasting for a week at a time along with pain in my hands so bad i couldnt write anything on paper.
I wont wish you the best. If you need help to get your mental state back on track, Im here to really help you or meet up. Ill scout you first to be sure youre not an M bot though.
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Are you clinically insane? Your posts and your log makes little to no sense. Calling someone a Merck bot is just immature and stupid, man. I’m failing to see what added value you’re providing with this conspiracy theory nonsense.
Resonable suspicion Walker, reasonable suspicion. And if hes not a bot, I will humbley apologize.
Hence my second reply to him where I genuinely am willing to be supportive to get his mind back on line.
Maybe I shouldve framed it as more of a question initially.
Its not conspiracy theory nonsense.
Whats nonsense is for us to be repeating bs from the donkeys mouth.
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You’re an idiot if you think people on the Internet are lying about their journeys.
Sure if you see a guy with 3-4 posts on propeciahelp about a product... sure. I get it. That guy has zero credibility.
But when you have the crazy written out stories like chi, like cdsnuts, like English, like ihatepropecia702 (read his story, he went alllll out on gut), like people like myself who was like on his suicide-bed before finding something so potent that was eating them alive (Lyme).
It’s obvious what makes people better. So many common themes.
Sure if you see a guy with 3-4 posts on propeciahelp about a product... sure. I get it. That guy has zero credibility.
But when you have the crazy written out stories like chi, like cdsnuts, like English, like ihatepropecia702 (read his story, he went alllll out on gut), like people like myself who was like on his suicide-bed before finding something so potent that was eating them alive (Lyme).
It’s obvious what makes people better. So many common themes.
As far as I'm concerned the "pharma industry" could just admit tomorrow the poisonous effects of finasteride, accutane or Zoloft and that wouldn't change a thing for me.
I'd still be following the exact same protocol to recover and working towards my goals in life
The rest of your posts is childish nonsense. Get your shit together
I'd still be following the exact same protocol to recover and working towards my goals in life
The rest of your posts is childish nonsense. Get your shit together
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Wat, aren't you contradicting yourself? Where is your proof for healing your mental sides?
My bloods are actually better in PFS state than Pre-Pfs. As bruschi11 said, there's no tracking when it comes to our weird cases, and for me all that's readable uphere is "proof" enough. For my personal wellbeing it won't make any difference if Fin gets withdrawn from the market by tomorrow lol. Just wanna get fixed, asap.
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First off all the documentation in the world won't prove nor make it easier for an individual.
Secondly, it's gotta be done. I looked at documentation hundreds of hours in crash, it didn't help much except make me more suicidal. Just gotta make it happen. Regardless.
No proof of PFS existing, ask the 4.0 gpa , 99th percentile (beating literally nearly EVERY SINGLE doctor in north america) family members I have. Oh and pharma and law too.
I'm into professions too (as a means to an end), but who cares about GPA. Some random villager could be 178I.Q., that doesn't mean they'll automatically solve PFS, that's just ridiculous. It's like oh well 160iq guy should be president but not 149... or the perfect speaker not the guy who gets things done.. wtf does that have to do with being president. My GPA was bad. GMAT, and LSAT are and or will be HIGH. (I was FUCKED up in multiple ways during most that time and also misdiagnosed and on the run among many other things). Perfect GPA's easy to get, without trouble and in america, stupidly easy to get.
Secondly, it's gotta be done. I looked at documentation hundreds of hours in crash, it didn't help much except make me more suicidal. Just gotta make it happen. Regardless.
No proof of PFS existing, ask the 4.0 gpa , 99th percentile (beating literally nearly EVERY SINGLE doctor in north america) family members I have. Oh and pharma and law too.
I'm into professions too (as a means to an end), but who cares about GPA. Some random villager could be 178I.Q., that doesn't mean they'll automatically solve PFS, that's just ridiculous. It's like oh well 160iq guy should be president but not 149... or the perfect speaker not the guy who gets things done.. wtf does that have to do with being president. My GPA was bad. GMAT, and LSAT are and or will be HIGH. (I was FUCKED up in multiple ways during most that time and also misdiagnosed and on the run among many other things). Perfect GPA's easy to get, without trouble and in america, stupidly easy to get.
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Does everyone realize i originally stated to record recovery data that verifiable thru pics and exams?
Not only for your progress but to show its actually real progress to new comers and not a. PFS hyper-delusion as some like to call other things, and is probably a Merck non-arguement used in court.
It spiraled into this because of ridiculous arguements made to contradict the need for a scientific approach, not just spewing off "Im recovered" like if youre a street preacher saying "judgement is in the year 2020".
So when people contadict something so basic, simple and needed, It does raise an eyebrow.
Not only for your progress but to show its actually real progress to new comers and not a. PFS hyper-delusion as some like to call other things, and is probably a Merck non-arguement used in court.
It spiraled into this because of ridiculous arguements made to contradict the need for a scientific approach, not just spewing off "Im recovered" like if youre a street preacher saying "judgement is in the year 2020".
So when people contadict something so basic, simple and needed, It does raise an eyebrow.
Pictures are documentation.
Pictures speak a thousand words.
The picture never lies unless its photoshopped
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What “data” do you need? Blood tests are irrelevant, stool tests won’t be perfect even if someone is out of “PFS”, hair tests won’t be perfect..... not sure what you’re going to find to support the claim.
Yeah I agree. I am of the mindset that you either have to be pretty screwed up to fake a recovery on here...only we know when our bodies feel cured. Hell, most medical tests don’t acknowledge that there is anything wrong with us. I believe recoveries when I see them on here, because the tendency is to the opposite. I don’t need a medical test to prove it to me.