Are we losing steam in finding cures?

[MNK99]

i mean im doing well if i was gonna lie id say my eyesight was perfect. adhd and bipolar II are gone. (tho one was helped greatly for sure).
I mean, lying and trying to live a lie... will only fuck over the person doing so. why not just do nothing and lie and say you did it all. it makes no sense and is extremely lazy.

 

[jinstewart]

I actually feel kinda the opposite - I feel like we're moving into a time where we're narrowing down things and learning a lot of the ground work. We do though DESPERATELY need to do reliable trials with tests though, where people can afford it.

We're lucky to have a few people with medical knowledge, a talent and ability for/to research and also those like me with little idea medically but willing to try things. What I think would help immensely are CLEAR protocols, as in "I think we should try X. Test A,B,C bloods and then try 400mg X daily for a month and re-test A,B,C." DOSAGES, TIMING, DURATION, LOG are all ESSENTIAL.

I've noticed this is more or less where we're going now. I tried to be thorough for example on my RU test, which didn't end up fixing PFS, but hopefully the logs and the bloods will help us out a little. Same with the SJW/Inositol. After that I'll have a go at Helen's antiviral/antifungal/antibiotic protocol perhaps. Many to try, maybe one will get us there.

 

[Tar]

I thought I would come check out how you guys are doing and saw this thread. I did hair testing and treatment through Dr. Wilson back in 2012-2014 or so. I eventually got my ratios to a prime area, felt like total garbage. I used to get these recordings from my practitioner and he eventually started to repeat himself, talking about how great veggies are. I can still hear how he said "bok Choy" over and over again.

The point is, at one point he said it could take up to 15 years to clear out all the heavy metals. Right then, it clicked and I knew it was a fraud. I think my practitioner believed it, I don't think he was lying, but it was a religion and the "paradise" I was working towards would always be over the horizon and I would be suffering in the meantime.

Do yourself a favor and get out of the mindset that you will get better after years of pursuing this hair test thing. If it is working for you by all means I am not criticizing your choice. What I am saying is that after I went off hair testing, I started looking into other avenues of health improvement...Peat/PUFA, EMF, Boron, Proper cooking materials, B vitamins, low vitamin A diet...on and on, and the thrill of discovery came back. I think one of the worst things this health industry does is promise paradise after years of suffering under some protocol. That may have some truth to it, but living like that is not living.

 

[HerrFisch]

Will have a look into Peat/ PUFA. Sounds good.

 

[Tar]

Will have a look into Peat/ PUFA. Sounds good.

ha, it was very limited in scope, but learning not to take fish oil was dynamite

 

[Walker]

I thought I would come check out how you guys are doing and saw this thread. I did hair testing and treatment through Dr. Wilson back in 2012-2014 or so. I eventually got my ratios to a prime area, felt like total garbage. I used to get these recordings from my practitioner and he eventually started to repeat himself, talking about how great veggies are. I can still hear how he said "bok Choy" over and over again.

The point is, at one point he said it could take up to 15 years to clear out all the heavy metals. Right then, it clicked and I knew it was a fraud. I think my practitioner believed it, I don't think he was lying, but it was a religion and the "paradise" I was working towards would always be over the horizon and I would be suffering in the meantime.

Do yourself a favor and get out of the mindset that you will get better after years of pursuing this hair test thing. If it is working for you by all means I am not criticizing your choice. What I am saying is that after I went off hair testing, I started looking into other avenues of health improvement...Peat/PUFA, EMF, Boron, Proper cooking materials, B vitamins, low vitamin A diet...on and on, and the thrill of discovery came back. I think one of the worst things this health industry does is promise paradise after years of suffering under some protocol. That may have some truth to it, but living like that is not living.

This is interesting for you to report back on, thanks for that. Did you do all the extras that Wilson adds on to hair testing? @Helen mentioned here before that adding the kelp, fish oil, etc that he does really throws off the basis of the program if I remember correctly. Not saying your testimony isn’t accurate or anything, I was generally just curious.

 

[Helen]

I thought I would come check out how you guys are doing and saw this thread. I did hair testing and treatment through Dr. Wilson back in 2012-2014 or so. I eventually got my ratios to a prime area, felt like total garbage. I used to get these recordings from my practitioner and he eventually started to repeat himself, talking about how great veggies are. I can still hear how he said "bok Choy" over and over again.

The point is, at one point he said it could take up to 15 years to clear out all the heavy metals. Right then, it clicked and I knew it was a fraud. I think my practitioner believed it, I don't think he was lying, but it was a religion and the "paradise" I was working towards would always be over the horizon and I would be suffering in the meantime.

Do yourself a favor and get out of the mindset that you will get better after years of pursuing this hair test thing. If it is working for you by all means I am not criticizing your choice. What I am saying is that after I went off hair testing, I started looking into other avenues of health improvement...Peat/PUFA, EMF, Boron, Proper cooking materials, B vitamins, low vitamin A diet...on and on, and the thrill of discovery came back. I think one of the worst things this health industry does is promise paradise after years of suffering under some protocol. That may have some truth to it, but living like that is not living.

can you please post your hairtest? How long did you take the program for and how many cycles?

I have observed 100s of people on the program. and I have about 20 in my skype who are on the program for 5 years and more.. they are all cured from all their even childhood problems.

this is not a program to balance the ratios, this is a chelation program.

and as an example, I have been chelating lead out of my system for 7 years now. on heavy duty chelators, and although it is coming down, and came down a lot.

it is still there . so 10 years sound like a good number.


No matter what you do. if you were sick or not doing good from childhood, or having a virus or mono at early age. you are full of heavy metals,
that is why you are EMS sensitive and so on.

and no matter what patches you will find for youself. none of them obviously will cure you.

you are just supporting things.


like going low pufa, basically kills inflammation response, kills arachidonic acid.

it helps when you have no glutathione. since PGE2 is made by glutathione and PGd2 without glutathione.


this is your hairloss scenario.

|But with low PUFA you get zero PEMT enzyme. which makes phosphodylcholine in the liver.

you get low canabinoids, low opiods. low immune system.

 

[Tar]

This is interesting for you to report back on, thanks for that. Did you do all the extras that Wilson adds on to hair testing? @Helen mentioned here before that adding the kelp, fish oil, etc that he does really throws off the basis of the program if I remember correctly. Not saying your testimony isn’t accurate or anything, I was generally just curious.

I did do the extras. The saunas, the kelp, enemas. The worse I felt the better I was doing!

can you please post your hairtest? How long did you take the program for and how many cycles?

I have observed 100s of people on the program. and I have about 20 in my skype who are on the program for 5 years and more.. they are all cured from all their even childhood problems.

this is not a program to balance the ratios, this is a chelation program.

and as an example, I have been chelating lead out of my system for 7 years now. on heavy duty chelators, and although it is coming down, and came down a lot.

it is still there . so 10 years sound like a good number.


No matter what you do. if you were sick or not doing good from childhood, or having a virus or mono at early age. you are full of heavy metals,
that is why you are EMS sensitive and so on.

and no matter what patches you will find for youself. none of them obviously will cure you.

you are just supporting things.


like going low pufa, basically kills inflammation response, kills arachidonic acid.

it helps when you have no glutathione. since PGE2 is made by glutathione and PGd2 without glutathione.


this is your hairloss scenario.

|But with low PUFA you get zero PEMT enzyme. which makes phosphodylcholine in the liver.

you get low canabinoids, low opiods. low immune system.

I don't think I even have the hair test reports anymore. I guess I could ask ARL and they might still have copies but its been 5+ years. I probably did 5-6 hair tests if I remember right.

I am not saying that what you are saying is not valid. Nor am I saying I have the answers, or do this protocol because it is the best etc.

I am saying that when I was looking for health, hair testing was not a good place to look. It SEEMS like a good place to look, especially for people who are slightly autistic like myself. The ratios, the numbers, the slight tweaking to bring this up or down. You are always slightly tweaking something or other to get better, always have something to think about, to worry over or feel triumphant over. Almost like WoW or everquest. And god forbid you quit, that is terrifying because you'll lose all your progress of ever finding a cure!

For what it is worth, my 8 years of experience battling with this stuff and watching others...when good change happens, it happens fast. Your life gets better socially, physically, and emotionally fairly rapidly and people NOTICE. You have more energy to build fun complexity in your life. I do not often see years of misery lead to a cure, although sometimes it snaps people out of unhealthy habits/patterns.

Maybe you have people in your private group who have figured out this HTMA thing, if so, that is great. But the vast majority are stuck paying for vitamins/hope each month. HTMA sucks as religion, let me tell you. This is my experience of course.

 

[Bankai900]

can you please post your hairtest? How long did you take the program for and how many cycles?

I have observed 100s of people on the program. and I have about 20 in my skype who are on the program for 5 years and more.. they are all cured from all their even childhood problems.

this is not a program to balance the ratios, this is a chelation program.

and as an example, I have been chelating lead out of my system for 7 years now. on heavy duty chelators, and although it is coming down, and came down a lot.

it is still there . so 10 years sound like a good number.


No matter what you do. if you were sick or not doing good from childhood, or having a virus or mono at early age. you are full of heavy metals,
that is why you are EMS sensitive and so on.

and no matter what patches you will find for youself. none of them obviously will cure you.

you are just supporting things.


like going low pufa, basically kills inflammation response, kills arachidonic acid.

it helps when you have no glutathione. since PGE2 is made by glutathione and PGd2 without glutathione.


this is your hairloss scenario.

|But with low PUFA you get zero PEMT enzyme. which makes phosphodylcholine in the liver.

you get low canabinoids, low opiods. low immune system.

How do I know if my glutathione is working/available/creating or na?

 

[Helen]

I did do the extras. The saunas, the kelp, enemas. The worse I felt the better I was doing!


I don't think I even have the hair test reports anymore. I guess I could ask ARL and they might still have copies but its been 5+ years. I probably did 5-6 hair tests if I remember right.

I am not saying that what you are saying is not valid. Nor am I saying I have the answers, or do this protocol because it is the best etc.

I am saying that when I was looking for health, hair testing was not a good place to look. It SEEMS like a good place to look, especially for people who are slightly autistic like myself. The ratios, the numbers, the slight tweaking to bring this up or down. You are always slightly tweaking something or other to get better, always have something to think about, to worry over or feel triumphant over. Almost like WoW or everquest. And god forbid you quit, that is terrifying because you'll lose all your progress of ever finding a cure!

For what it is worth, my 8 years of experience battling with this stuff and watching others...when good change happens, it happens fast. Your life gets better socially, physically, and emotionally fairly rapidly and people NOTICE. You have more energy to build fun complexity in your life. I do not often see years of misery lead to a cure, although sometimes it snaps people out of unhealthy habits/patterns.

Maybe you have people in your private group who have figured out this HTMA thing, if so, that is great. But the vast majority are stuck paying for vitamins/hope each month. HTMA sucks as religion, let me tell you. This is my experience of course.

you need to understand . that if you have low glutathione and toxic in stuff. ( autistic)

of course lowering oxidation will help to feel better.

like going keto. like going low pufa.

like avoiding stress and EMS stress. etc.

I can also give you gaziillion supplements based on your hairtest which will make yu feel btter.

I can patch up your metabolism with drugs, and you will feel so much better it s not even funny.

this is a little different.. than what TEI is.

in fact it has nothing to do with it.


since TEI tries to fix the underlining problem, and that takes years.

of course it would be much easier for them to just patch people up.

but that is not what they are.

This is why for people who wnat to feel better. HTMA is not the way to go. at least for 2 years.

and autistic people like you ? that would take forever.

Thus I agree, you can patch yourself up by avoiding trouble knowing that your glutathione is down.

 

[RebelWithACause]

I think it is good to hear other side stories from people who did HTMA. @Tar

TEI def got me out of a hole so it worked for me. After using AAS to try fix PFS it seems my mind became more unstable maybe from copper toxicity or something else. Also I got vaccinated in PFS when I fell on my head with tetanus which contains mercury. I am still fucked up to be honest. I just did not know how bad it was since I had so extreme brainfog it is a wonder I was still going to work and doing stuff.

The only bad thing on TEI is sometimes my libido is completely gone for days to weeks. It is scary. Then all of a sudden the next cycle it comes back. Or it comes back after stopping the supplements. This fucks with my head sometimes.

It is summer, tits are out and people get a bit impatient.

I am giving TEI a good chance. At least a year. Worth a shot. If I get good results (already pretty good up till now) I stay with it. If not then there are other options. I don't want to quit something knowing it could potentially fix the issues.

I think Dr. Wilson is a wacko and everybody here seems to agree on that. I think the problem with him is he developed a lifestyle and religion around it. Instead of just presenting it as a tool to use. The practitioners at least the Dutch ones here are also not very smart and don't know much about it.

 

[barbaar]

I think it is good to hear other side stories from people who did HTMA. @Tar

TEI def got me out of a hole so it worked for me. After using AAS to try fix PFS it seems my mind became more unstable maybe from copper toxicity or something else. Also I got vaccinated in PFS when I fell on my head with tetanus which contains mercury. I am still fucked up to be honest. I just did not know how bad it was since I had so extreme brainfog it is a wonder I was still going to work and doing stuff.

The only bad thing on TEI is sometimes my libido is completely gone for days to weeks. It is scary. Then all of a sudden the next cycle it comes back. Or it comes back after stopping the supplements. This fucks with my head sometimes.

It is summer, tits are out and people get a bit impatient.

I am giving TEI a good chance. At least a year. Worth a shot. If I get good results (already pretty good up till now) I stay with it. If not then there are other options. I don't want to quit something knowing it could potentially fix the issues.

I think Dr. Wilson is a wacko and everybody here seems to agree on that. I think the problem with him is he developed a lifestyle and religion around it. Instead of just presenting it as a tool to use. The practitioners at least the Dutch ones here are also not very smart and don't know much about it.

Yeah dude this ARL guy I went to here was a total fucking joke, didn't even want to give me the results lol

 

[RebelWithACause]

Yeah dude this ARL guy I went to here was a total fucking joke, didn't even want to give me the results lol

A lot of them are naturopaths and it seems they don't even do the hairtests themselves. It is just a side hustle for them. So better off reading about it yourself.

I have no emotional attachment to this program. I will quit instantly if I don't see any results. But I am still on it and on cycle 4.

 

[Nina]

you need to understand . that if you have low glutathione and toxic in stuff. ( autistic)

of course lowering oxidation will help to feel better.

like going keto. like going low pufa.

like avoiding stress and EMS stress. etc.

I can also give you gaziillion supplements based on your hairtest which will make yu feel btter.

I can patch up your metabolism with drugs, and you will feel so much better it s not even funny.

this is a little different.. than what TEI is.

in fact it has nothing to do with it.


since TEI tries to fix the underlining problem, and that takes years.

of course it would be much easier for them to just patch people up.

but that is not what they are.

This is why for people who wnat to feel better. HTMA is not the way to go. at least for 2 years.

and autistic people like you ? that would take forever.

Thus I agree, you can patch yourself up by avoiding trouble knowing that your glutathione is down.

Why would lowering oxidation make you feel better?

 

[Helen]

Why would lowering oxidation make you feel better?

because less oxidation means, less pressure on glutathione, this means less CBS pathway, and more methylation.

which increase adrenaline , mood, etc.

 

[Nina]

because less oxidation means, less pressure on glutathione, this means less CBS pathway, and more methylation.

which increase adrenaline , mood, etc.

More methylation? Is too little methylation more common than overmethylation?

 

[supernature]

I can also give you gaziillion supplements based on your hairtest which will make yu feel btter.

I would vote for this one for some reason. Maybe we should learn what to do to feel better (make hormones happy) and also feel worse (push for more detox) or you can teach us how to shift when we decide we want to do it. How to shift between more methylation and more oxidation when we want.

because less oxidation means, less pressure on glutathione, this means less CBS pathway, and more methylation.

which increase adrenaline , mood, etc.

 

[bruschi11]

I thought I would come check out how you guys are doing and saw this thread. I did hair testing and treatment through Dr. Wilson back in 2012-2014 or so. I eventually got my ratios to a prime area, felt like total garbage. I used to get these recordings from my practitioner and he eventually started to repeat himself, talking about how great veggies are. I can still hear how he said "bok Choy" over and over again.

The point is, at one point he said it could take up to 15 years to clear out all the heavy metals. Right then, it clicked and I knew it was a fraud. I think my practitioner believed it, I don't think he was lying, but it was a religion and the "paradise" I was working towards would always be over the horizon and I would be suffering in the meantime.

Do yourself a favor and get out of the mindset that you will get better after years of pursuing this hair test thing. If it is working for you by all means I am not criticizing your choice. What I am saying is that after I went off hair testing, I started looking into other avenues of health improvement...Peat/PUFA, EMF, Boron, Proper cooking materials, B vitamins, low vitamin A diet...on and on, and the thrill of discovery came back. I think one of the worst things this health industry does is promise paradise after years of suffering under some protocol. That may have some truth to it, but living like that is not living.

It’s not fraud. Or anywhere near it.

Sure, you go on the program and you’re heavily toxic and this is your only plan. Not a smart idea if you’re trying to get out of pharmaceutical damage quickly.

I think following the actual programs for a long time is not smart. You’re just going to keep chelating, body won’t find stability. It won’t be fun.

But utilizing the balancing of nutrients is an incredible idea and really something everybody should be doing to better their health. Trust me, I don’t run the programs now, but I do utilize the balancing of minerals to make the body work correctly.

If you’re a crazy slow oxizidizer or fast.... you have a big problem. I was stuck horribly in both of these situations. With diseases on hand like Lyme, SIBO, Candida, Mercury toxicity and who knows what else in my system, I could not function in an unbalanced system.

Doing work with nutrients to come out of major calcium shell or come out of major fast oxidation— they do absolute wonders.

Currently, I’m day 7 after a 26 day water fast, which are incredible for these types of issues we deal with whether Peat likes them or not. I swam in the sea water to absorb sodium, electrolytes to fight infection. I can tell you with absolute certainty now I’m a bit deep in fast oxidation so I’m bringing on plenty of calcium (nutmilk) and magnesium. And they are rapidly changing everything.

You can really use the nutritional balancing sciences to help buffer your body back to an equilibrium. And the way I’m utilizing it to beat the hell hole I was thrown into- is certainly a way and perspective to help fixing your whole health.

 

[bruschi11]

I would vote for this one for some reason. Maybe we should learn what to do to feel better (make hormones happy) and also feel worse (push for more detox) or you can teach us how to shift when we decide we want to do it. How to shift between more methylation and more oxidation when we want.

I like this idea a lot. This is kind of how I go about it.

 

[supernature]

I like this idea a lot. This is kind of how I go about it.

If Helen is busy addressing this in dedicated protocol you should give it a try, teaching us this and that.