Brainstorming & Ideas (PFS - Gbol)

snowball

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I have a question..How do we know whether we suffer from agonized prog receptors vs antagonized receptors? Any tests or supplements that can give an idea?
 

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Re: Gbold's Theory

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4, in a topic i just saw you wrote serotonin causes diarrhoea. Whenever i crash after achieving a partial recovery i always have diarrhoea!! Then it leaves after some days when im back to baseline. What the hell is this really serotonin, how could i prevent this??<br/>
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I have the same issue: after partial recovery, I have diarrhoea and back to square one. Any thoughts what to do?</r>
 

Aleksandr

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expendable post_id=3380 time=1509666383 user_id=53 said:
licorice root 450mg + zinc 50mg + copper 2mg + magnesium 250mg + ru 10mg, two times a week, for at least 4 weeks. wonder what that would do.

That sounds pretty powerful. I'm getting effects on the licorice root alone
 

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expendable post_id=3380 time=1509666383 user_id=53 said:
licorice root 450mg + zinc 50mg + copper 2mg + magnesium 250mg + ru 10mg, two times a week, for at least 4 weeks. wonder what that would do.

I like where your heads at. Would be an interesting cycle.maybe throw in some inositol and maganese. Could be the cure.
 

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IHateFin post_id=3389 time=1509671709 user_id=48 said:
expendable post_id=3380 time=1509666383 user_id=53 said:
licorice root 450mg + zinc 50mg + copper 2mg + magnesium 250mg + ru 10mg, two times a week, for at least 4 weeks. wonder what that would do.

I like where your heads at. Would be an interesting cycle.maybe throw in some inositol and maganese. Could be the cure.
Cmon man, anything with more that 1 supplement and you're in! The more the merrier for you!! Bias!!
 

Snow1

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aarfai post_id=3356 time=1509654320 user_id=64 said:
@gbolduev any ideas how to lower SHBG? Mine have been above normal for years now. It really seems to affect free testosterone, DHT, DHEA and a list of other androgens... Apologizes for the off-topic question but I wanted to get your opinion. Thank you

I have the same problem!
 

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m_arch post_id=3391 time=1509672261 user_id=66 said:
IHateFin post_id=3389 time=1509671709 user_id=48 said:
expendable post_id=3380 time=1509666383 user_id=53 said:
licorice root 450mg + zinc 50mg + copper 2mg + magnesium 250mg + ru 10mg, two times a week, for at least 4 weeks. wonder what that would do.

I like where your heads at. Would be an interesting cycle.maybe throw in some inositol and maganese. Could be the cure.
Cmon man, anything with more that 1 supplement and you're in! The more the merrier for you!! Bias!!

It's not a true "stack" until you have enough sups that you're taking to make an actual stack out of them, man lol
But I only added those for the fact that inositol will increase insulin sensativity as well and maybe better than licorice root since you won't have to worry about sodium retention and inositol tanks potassium.
 

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IHateFin post_id=3395 time=1509673046 user_id=48 said:
m_arch post_id=3391 time=1509672261 user_id=66 said:
IHateFin post_id=3389 time=1509671709 user_id=48 said:
I like where your heads at. Would be an interesting cycle.maybe throw in some inositol and maganese. Could be the cure.
Cmon man, anything with more that 1 supplement and you're in! The more the merrier for you!! Bias!!

It's not a true "stack" until you have enough sups that you're taking to make an actual stack out of them, man lol
But I only added those for the fact that inositol will increase insulin sensativity as well and maybe better than licorice root since you won't have to worry about sodium retention and inositol tanks potassium.

could sub licorice for 18g inositol a day, but I like the concept of cycles. maybe 2 cycles of 3 days each of the stuff I posted, then 2+ weeks on inositol afterwards. is manganese necessary for anything? oh yeah, boron maybe useful during cycle. just throwing stuff out, curious to see what gbold is gonna say
 

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IHateFin post_id=3359 time=1509655244 user_id=48 said:
aarfai post_id=3356 time=1509654320 user_id=64 said:
@gbolduev any ideas how to lower SHBG? Mine have been above normal for years now. It really seems to affect free testosterone, DHT, DHEA and a list of other androgens... Apologizes for the off-topic question but I wanted to get your opinion. Thank you

I would assume lowering estrogen/ progesterone could lower SHBG. tongkat ali would help too maybe with like a phat mega dose of the stuff. you can get the bulk supplement 200:1 extract to do that.

I think boron lowers shbg. raises T, lowers E, and raises DHT. It's a pretty magical mineral.

English used it during his 100% recovery journy as he also had high shbg.

mine was really high too, haven't gotten bloods since june though, I might in a few weeks cause i'm curious as I'm doing way better than in June.
 

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Re: Gbold's Theory

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snowball post_id=3384 time=1509668767 user_id=1378 said:
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freeflow post_id=569 time=1507407038 user_id=74 said:
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4, in a topic i just saw you wrote serotonin causes diarrhoea. Whenever i crash after achieving a partial recovery i always have diarrhoea!! Then it leaves after some days when im back to baseline. What the hell is this really serotonin, how could i prevent this??<br/>
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@gbolduev
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I have the same issue: after partial recovery, I have diarrhoea and back to square one. Any thoughts what to do?
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Finally someone crashing like me. I believe this diarhhoea appears after receptors lose the sensitivity again, especially the progesterone receptors. Im trying to aboid potassium overload in the cell with betaine HCL and gonna throw in some thorne extra for the minerals and hope the right proportion of them is used and will prevent the crash with diarrhoea <MENTION><s>[mention]</s>gbolduev<e>[/mention]</e></MENTION></r>
 

snowball

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Re: Gbold's Theory

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freeflow post_id=3406 time=1509685963 user_id=74 said:
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snowball post_id=3384 time=1509668767 user_id=1378 said:
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freeflow post_id=569 time=1507407038 user_id=74 said:
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4, in a topic i just saw you wrote serotonin causes diarrhoea. Whenever i crash after achieving a partial recovery i always have diarrhoea!! Then it leaves after some days when im back to baseline. What the hell is this really serotonin, how could i prevent this??<br/>
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@gbolduev
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I have the same issue: after partial recovery, I have diarrhoea and back to square one. Any thoughts what to do?
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Finally someone crashing like me. I believe this diarhhoea appears after receptors lose the sensitivity again, especially the progesterone receptors. Im trying to aboid potassium overload in the cell with betaine HCL and gonna throw in some thorne extra for the minerals and hope the right proportion of them is used and will prevent the crash with diarrhoea @gbolduev
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Thanks! Most of PFS symptoms (other than ED) started with diarrhoea followed by lower back pain, anxiety, strange headache(feeling of dehydration)...</r>
 

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Massive next-day improvements with what I posted: zinc 50mg, copper 2mg, licorice root 450mg, boron .5ml, magnesium 250mg

I feel like a periodic table

from gbold:
Licorce root, actually kills cortisone, so it restores insulin back to normal. But licorice root retains sodium

You are losing zinc in the urine, copper does lower potassium but there is no zinc. so you feel like shit.

Progesterone is stayin high, body is losing zinc. Sodium is staying high body is not using copper.

So if you take copper this lowers progesterone, and you take zinc you can tolerate it. but if you take any of it separately it is bad.

copper decrease potassium, zinc to restore zinc which is being lost in the urine, magnesium is to lower sodium which is being retained by high cortisol

boron because DHT up and shbg down
 

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expendable post_id=3431 time=1509740343 user_id=53 said:
Massive next-day improvements with what I posted: zinc 50mg, copper 2mg, licorice root 450mg, boron .5ml, magnesium 250mg

I feel like a periodic table

boron because DHT up and shbg down

Oh man I don't know how Licorice Root fits in as it reportedly blocks DHT but I'm ordering it next... I have the other cofactors ... and copper is tremendous ... I can't believe how a mineral like that effected me for the better... i did 4mgs copper daily this week... I'm going to do the trifecta next week... and check licorice root following... amazing circumstances

And Chuck Norris doesn't believe in the periodic table... he only believes in one element...

The element of surprise...
 

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joekool post_id=3434 time=1509745414 user_id=75 said:
expendable post_id=3431 time=1509740343 user_id=53 said:
Massive next-day improvements with what I posted: zinc 50mg, copper 2mg, licorice root 450mg, boron .5ml, magnesium 250mg

I feel like a periodic table

boron because DHT up and shbg down

Oh man I don't know how Licorice Root fits in as it reportedly blocks DHT but I'm ordering it next... I have the other cofactors ... and copper is tremendous ... I can't believe how a mineral like that effected me for the better... i did 4mgs copper daily this week... I'm going to do the trifecta next week... and check licorice root following... amazing circumstances

And Chuck Norris doesn't believe in the periodic table... he only believes in one element...

The element of surprise...

with the fucking jokes LOL

im probs gunna pick up some boron. I cant find anything bigger than 3mg a pill, but 2 mg seems to be the standard. #lame. I wanna run 10mg a day after my snap back from my current cycle
 

Rid

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expendable post_id=3431 time=1509740343 user_id=53 said:
Massive next-day improvements with what I posted: zinc 50mg, copper 2mg, licorice root 450mg, boron .5ml, magnesium 250mg

I feel like a periodic table

from gbold:
Licorce root, actually kills cortisone, so it restores insulin back to normal. But licorice root retains sodium

You are losing zinc in the urine, copper does lower potassium but there is no zinc. so you feel like shit.

Progesterone is stayin high, body is losing zinc. Sodium is staying high body is not using copper.

So if you take copper this lowers progesterone, and you take zinc you can tolerate it. but if you take any of it separately it is bad.

copper decrease potassium, zinc to restore zinc which is being lost in the urine, magnesium is to lower sodium which is being retained by high cortisol

boron because DHT up and shbg down

good to hear- you're taking each supplement stand-alone right? all at the same time of day?
 

Jaxx

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Reflecting on the old posts, i am confused if we should feel worse on a protocol at first to recover or not. We see both in the trials, without any clear conclusion..
 

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Jaxx post_id=3439 time=1509753460 user_id=61 said:
Reflecting on the old posts, i am confused if we should feel worse on a protocol at first to recover or not. We see both in the trials, without any clear conclusion..

I'm sure it could go either way depending on what the items are affecting.
 

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expendable post_id=3431 time=1509740343 user_id=53 said:
Massive next-day improvements with what I posted: zinc 50mg, copper 2mg, licorice root 450mg, boron .5ml, magnesium 250mg

I feel like a periodic table

from gbold:
Licorce root, actually kills cortisone, so it restores insulin back to normal. But licorice root retains sodium

You are losing zinc in the urine, copper does lower potassium but there is no zinc. so you feel like shit.

Progesterone is stayin high, body is losing zinc. Sodium is staying high body is not using copper.

So if you take copper this lowers progesterone, and you take zinc you can tolerate it. but if you take any of it separately it is bad.

copper decrease potassium, zinc to restore zinc which is being lost in the urine, magnesium is to lower sodium which is being retained by high cortisol

boron because DHT up and shbg down

[mention]Scenes[/mention] is reporting similar results as too you and very similar protocol.

He said via PM
Way too early to say but after one day of licorice root, magnesium and taurine:

Libido up, stared at ass all day
Balls fuller and lower
Sensitivity increased, best orgasm I’ve had in weeks
Morning wood fuller

Really tired in evening, but long day was long so who knows

I don’t have copper on me so went with this to tank potassium and sodium and basically doing whatever he says.
 

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Re: Gbold's Theory

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snowball post_id=3422 time=1509727214 user_id=1378 said:
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freeflow post_id=3406 time=1509685963 user_id=74 said:
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snowball post_id=3384 time=1509668767 user_id=1378 said:
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I have the same issue: after partial recovery, I have diarrhoea and back to square one. Any thoughts what to do?
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Finally someone crashing like me. I believe this diarhhoea appears after receptors lose the sensitivity again, especially the progesterone receptors. Im trying to aboid potassium overload in the cell with betaine HCL and gonna throw in some thorne extra for the minerals and hope the right proportion of them is used and will prevent the crash with diarrhoea @gbolduev
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Thanks! Most of PFS symptoms (other than ED) started with diarrhoea followed by lower back pain, anxiety, strange headache(feeling of dehydration)...
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How do you achieve your partial recoveries which are followed by the diarrhoea and headache?</r>