Brainstorming & Ideas (PFS - Gbol)

[bruschi11]

I am at 90% , and back to work. Dont know how valid my experiment was . But this is what it is. I am still taking ace, potassium magnesium copper zinc etc. and thorne . Pretty much dont feel any different than before fin

Gbolduev what form of zinc, copper, potassium, magnesium, etc, did you use? how much of each? And which thorne supplement?

he is taking thorne extra. I have it and I take it here n there on my current cycle. its pretty amazing stuff.

I'm going to be taking Thorne extra after my fast. But I also will be using RU a week or two afterward. Do I want to be taking Thorne Extra while taking RU?

 

[wuf]

Guys, I am sorry but this last week I was too busy to read the forum, so I think I am missing something.Gbold claims that alkalosis is the main thing that keep PFS suffers stucked right?
So, cleaning alkalosis could be the cure...so, why still running RU or whatelse if Gbold got rid just by using cofactors?
Could anyone explaine if what I am saying is right?
Thanks

 

[IHateFin]

Gbolduev what form of zinc, copper, potassium, magnesium, etc, did you use? how much of each? And which thorne supplement?

he is taking thorne extra. I have it and I take it here n there on my current cycle. its pretty amazing stuff.

I'm going to be taking Thorne extra after my fast. But I also will be using RU a week or two afterward. Do I want to be taking Thorne Extra while taking RU?

you can as I took cofactors on my first ru cycle which was FAR superior than my 2nd. id take it on day 4, the day right after you finish your 3 day ru cycle. also keep in mind that less is more with ru.

 

[IHateFin]

Guys, I am sorry but this last week I was too busy to read the forum, so I think I am missing something.Gbold claims that alkalosis is the main thing that keep PFS suffers stucked right?
So, cleaning alkalosis could be the cure...so, why still running RU or whatelse if Gbold got rid just by using cofactors?
Could anyone explaine if what I am saying is right?
Thanks

from my understanding the high prog, high cort and low 5AR locks potassium in the cell and feeds alkalosis. the body is stuck and should NEVER be in a high prog, high cort and low 5AR state. Ru will forcefully drop progesterone and tank potassium in doing so should disrupt the alkalosis process.

in my own personal theory one should take 5 to 10mg of ru for 3 days to tank progesterone and potassium and keep from ru486 building up to an amount that will become a weak antiandrogen.
RU will help control cort in high doses BUT technically this cort problem should solve its self once 5 alpha reductase comes back as this enzyme breaks down cortisol into weaker or inactive metabolites.

 

[TubZy]

Also, just my 2 cents, but using Thorne extra or any other cofactors while taking RU or Ella seems fine. They are both so powerful that it seems to override the effects of supplementing additional minerals, they don't seem to inhibit anything. Like [mention]IHateFin[/mention] said

However, licorice root could be different though, not sure how powerful it is and if supplementing exogenous minerals can do anything, might cause an issue there.

 

[bruschi11]

he is taking thorne extra. I have it and I take it here n there on my current cycle. its pretty amazing stuff.

I'm going to be taking Thorne extra after my fast. But I also will be using RU a week or two afterward. Do I want to be taking Thorne Extra while taking RU?

you can as I took cofactors on my first ru cycle which was FAR superior than my 2nd. id take it on day 4, the day right after you finish your 3 day ru cycle. also keep in mind that less is more with ru.

Thanks man. Great info!

 

[bruschi11]

Also, just my 2 cents, but using Thorne extra or any other cofactors while taking RU or Ella seems fine. They are both so powerful that it seems to override the effects of supplementing additional minerals, they don't seem to inhibit anything. Like @IHateFin said

However, licorice root could be different though, not sure how powerful it is and if supplementing exogenous minerals can do anything, might cause an issue there.

Man, I can't wait to get through this fast #1 then give it the go. Still not sure when I'm going to take it, but Thanksgiving weekend seems most likely.

 

[joekool]

he is taking thorne extra. I have it and I take it here n there on my current cycle. its pretty amazing stuff.

I'm going to be taking Thorne extra after my fast. But I also will be using RU a week or two afterward. Do I want to be taking Thorne Extra while taking RU?

you can as I took cofactors on my first ru cycle which was FAR superior than my 2nd. id take it on day 4, the day right after you finish your 3 day ru cycle. also keep in mind that less is more with ru.

100% Agreed ... i would like to point out that the VAPP protocol kinda uses morning wood as barometer of success and daily DHT levels... and I used that for my 'end RU' signal... as i had the best one in ages on what was my last RU...

Though the currently protocol of cofactors & prami seem to be helping tremendously ... yet I still don't know if Zinc is a blocker of 5ar or building block of test...

 

[HereToHeal]

Guys please help!
I just got my blood test done. Progesterone appears to be normal at 0.1 BUT my estrogen (estradiol) is at 9 which appears to be really low.
I have 3 questions.
1. Do you still recommend I take Ella?
2. Should I take Licorice root as it increases estrogen?
3. If i take the licorice, won't my body recognize it as an external source of estrogen and plummet it down even further when i stop taking it?

Thank you so much!!

Progesterone and its receptors can drive estrogen down so if your prog is low your receptors could still be off or there's a mineral imbalance that is causing too sensitive prog receptors making the little prog you have activate a good amount of them and still drive that estrogen down.

.1ng is still high as the top range is believed to be < .15ng so your in range but def at thee top end.
Ru will drive your prog down and your potassium.
Licorice could be a good choice but you won't have to worry about the body seeing it as exogenous estrogen.
Maybe a ru plus licorice would be decent, but if you did this your ru better be super low like max 5mg since ru will increase your estrogen when prog tanks.

If you take ru by it's self I would run 10mg for 3 days. 5mg is enough to destroy progesterone and even 5mg of Ella is proving fruitful.

[mention]gbolduev[/mention] Do you have any advice for me please? What should i take given that my estrogen is so low?

 

[Goose12]

Here is a guy that claims to to have cured deca dick for himself and 4 other people. Claims 100% success rate so far. I thought it was interesting and worth putting out there. It's similar to [mention]gbolduev[/mention] clomid protocol with the use of some cofactors.

https://forums.t-nation.com/t/deca-dick-solution/214931

 

[Aleksandr]

I am at 90% , and back to work. Dont know how valid my experiment was . But this is what it is. I am still taking ace, potassium magnesium copper zinc etc. and thorne . Pretty much dont feel any different than before fin

Does ace need to be cycled or can be taken consistently? Which method is better?

Also, where did you get it from?

Whats the theory behind ace - it fixes alkalosis in the cell or alkalosos in the blood?

Edit: from wikipedia "In the treatment of mountain sickness, acetazolamide forces the kidneys to excrete bicarbonate, the conjugate base of carbonic acid. By increasing the amount of bicarbonate excreted in the urine, the blood becomes more acidic.[12] As the body equates acidity of the blood to its CO2 concentration, artificially acidifying the blood fools the body into thinking it has an excess of CO2, and it excretes this imaginary excess CO2 by deeper and faster breathing, which in turn increases the amount of oxygen in the blood.[17][18] Acetazolamide is not an immediate cure for acute mountain sickness; rather, it speeds up part of the acclimatization process which in turn helps to relieve symptoms.[19]"

So it sounds like it makes acidic blood alkaline (thus making the cell acidic). Then does it snap back to even more acidic??? Or do all the cofactors means it works at face value i.e. there is no snap back?

I wonder how this works in relation to taking sodim bicarb as well. Or baking soda. Ace dumps bicarb which increases breathing rate making you more alkaline (sounds similar to the exercise and adrenaline route) but taking bicarb makes you more alkaline to help buffer acidity also. Does this then lead to reduced breAthing rate???
So ace is for long term improvements making an acidic person more alkaline, but may feel worse on it... but bicarb is for short term improvements making an acidic person more alike, feeling better just after taking it, but worse in the long run? (When the baking soda leaves your breathing rate is slower and youre more acidic than you origionally were)???

For ultimate athletic performance theoretically you take ace for a few days, dump your bicarb and breath more, then stop it a day or two before your event, then just befoe your event take bicarb (so you have an increased breathing rate + plenty of bicarb, thus staying alkaline even when exercising hard? )

Do i have that right? [mention]mattyb[/mention] [MENTION]gbolduev[/mention]

Do you take this stuff if youre high venous co2 or low venous co2?

Papi gbold; "took ace plus magnesium potassium copper , zinc, b2 some iron , plus calcium
Yesterday I took thorne and above at different time"

By ace he means 250mg diamox
Thorne he means thorne extra
Im assuming doses of the other minerals is just whats listed on the bottle

 

[jacknap]

I am at 90% , and back to work. Dont know how valid my experiment was . But this is what it is. I am still taking ace, potassium magnesium copper zinc etc. and thorne . Pretty much dont feel any different than before fin

@gbolduev
Are you saying you recovered in 1 week just by using ace, potassium magnesium copper zinc etc. and throne?

So, what did you experimented by your lab's tests?
And could you give a protocol with a general cure to try for us?

I mean, sorry to say this but...I am not sure anymore if you are a real PFS suffer, there is people suffering from 10+ years as me...and you want to tell me that this hell can be fixed just by using some copper potassium etc in 1 week?!... Kidding me right?

Thanks

I already posted everything I experimented with in the lab, that is why I took what I took. Alkalosis can support itself and it wont go away for years.
If I take care of it, why would I suffer for 10 years.

As I said the experiement could be biased, since I did not lose many minerals while being in PFS for a long time. Thus the recovery was fast

Why would not I recover fast, if I crashed fast. Many people take fin for a week and crash for years. SO the recovery is also very fast. Same as with RU , same as with Ella, etc. Recovery is within weeks.

Alkalosis does not go away on its own. It takes years for it to do that if ever.

which ace do u usually specifically and why does it work?

 

[bruschi11]

I am at 90% , and back to work. Dont know how valid my experiment was . But this is what it is. I am still taking ace, potassium magnesium copper zinc etc. and thorne . Pretty much dont feel any different than before fin

@gbolduev
Are you saying you recovered in 1 week just by using ace, potassium magnesium copper zinc etc. and throne?

So, what did you experimented by your lab's tests?
And could you give a protocol with a general cure to try for us?

I mean, sorry to say this but...I am not sure anymore if you are a real PFS suffer, there is people suffering from 10+ years as me...and you want to tell me that this hell can be fixed just by using some copper potassium etc in 1 week?!... Kidding me right?

Thanks

I already posted everything I experimented with in the lab, that is why I took what I took. Alkalosis can support itself and it wont go away for years.
If I take care of it, why would I suffer for 10 years.

As I said the experiement could be biased, since I did not lose many minerals while being in PFS for a long time. Thus the recovery was fast

Why would not I recover fast, if I crashed fast. Many people take fin for a week and crash for years. SO the recovery is also very fast. Same as with RU , same as with Ella, etc. Recovery is within weeks.

Alkalosis does not go away on its own. It takes years for it to do that if ever.

@gbolvuev very interesting stuff, literally amazing. And its really helping connect my health issues beyond PFS. I had highly elevated ammonia levels it seems for years which likely has put me into alkalosis (as Dr. Jernigan, a highly respected Lyme doctor, would tell you).

Based on this observation, ace would be an absolute no brainer for me correct?

 

[Scenes]

Little update for you all. I was one of the first to do the ru trial on gbold’s advice but saw no dramatic improvements.

Last 4 days:
Copper + potassium + magnesium + aspirin (coz I couldn’t find acetazolamide - no idea if I should stop it, he hasn’t said).

Sexual function last couple of days best it has been for a long time. Libido up, erections better, morning wood consistently there, mood great, energy great, hair shithouse.

Plan is another couple of weeks minimum depending on how it’s going, then zinc + manganese to fix hair issues and rebalance by getting zinc back in the cell.

 

[MNK99]

Wow Scenes, that's promising!

Do you think the RU primed your body to heal and the Cu + K + Mg + Aspirin facilitated it? Maybe lowered prolactin.

I really have no idea, jw. Or do you think you didn't benefit period from the ru trial?

*Or ru was a while ago and it worked, but only because of the additions you made now*?

Also, when you say "hair shithouse", you mean your hair shed /thinned? Higher DHT?

 

[Scenes]

Wow Scenes, that's promising!

Do you think the RU primed your body to heal and the Cu + K + Mg + Aspirin facilitated it? Maybe lowered prolactin.

I really have no idea, jw. Or do you think you didn't benefit period from the ru trial?

*Or ru was a while ago and it worked, but only because of the additions you made now*?

Also, when you say "hair shithouse", you mean your hair shed /thinned? Higher DHT?

Can only speak from my experience of it all without knowing the ins and outs of biochemistry that well:

I don’t feel that Ru helped me. I had a few days while on it feeling great but since then and since dropping it I’ve been below baseline pre ru. My major issue was sexual functioning and it didn’t leave me in a better state on that front...no snap back to speak of.

Maybe it tanked my potassium and lowered prog, and that has paved the way for me to now get copper working so my estrogen kicks in and dht will rise to counter it. Makes sense, but it didn’t feel that way to me.

Hairline looks thinner and hair overall is coarse and dry and rough, hard to style. Shedding increased as I’m pulling out more when I shower or style.

 

[wuf]

Guys, I am sorry but this last week I was too busy to read the forum, so I think I am missing something.Gbold claims that alkalosis is the main thing that keep PFS suffers stucked right?
So, cleaning alkalosis could be the cure...so, why still running RU or whatelse if Gbold got rid just by using cofactors?
Could anyone explaine if what I am saying is right?
Thanks

from my understanding the high prog, high cort and low 5AR locks potassium in the cell and feeds alkalosis. the body is stuck and should NEVER be in a high prog, high cort and low 5AR state. Ru will forcefully drop progesterone and tank potassium in doing so should disrupt the alkalosis process.

in my own personal theory one should take 5 to 10mg of ru for 3 days to tank progesterone and potassium and keep from ru486 building up to an amount that will become a weak antiandrogen.
RU will help control cort in high doses BUT technically this cort problem should solve its self once 5 alpha reductase comes back as this enzyme breaks down cortisol into weaker or inactive metabolites.

Thank you so much for the explanation guys..!!
I got everything, but I still don't get why Gbold didn't use RU to recover from PFS but only cofactors...?
Did you get the reason? If he recovered in 1 week just by using cofactors, why should we stil run RU?

 

[MNK99]

[mention]Scenes[/mention] Ahh, that may make more sense -- the progesterone being lowered and potassium being tanked. It is unfortunate about the hair loss, but the fact that the Cu + K + Mg and Aspirin helped your libido is good. Even if the RU didn't seem to. Hopefully you will cont to snapback from this recent protocol.

 

[Helen]

Guys, I am sorry but this last week I was too busy to read the forum, so I think I am missing something.Gbold claims that alkalosis is the main thing that keep PFS suffers stucked right?
So, cleaning alkalosis could be the cure...so, why still running RU or whatelse if Gbold got rid just by using cofactors?
Could anyone explaine if what I am saying is right?
Thanks

from my understanding the high prog, high cort and low 5AR locks potassium in the cell and feeds alkalosis. the body is stuck and should NEVER be in a high prog, high cort and low 5AR state. Ru will forcefully drop progesterone and tank potassium in doing so should disrupt the alkalosis process.

in my own personal theory one should take 5 to 10mg of ru for 3 days to tank progesterone and potassium and keep from ru486 building up to an amount that will become a weak antiandrogen.
RU will help control cort in high doses BUT technically this cort problem should solve its self once 5 alpha reductase comes back as this enzyme breaks down cortisol into weaker or inactive metabolites.

Thank you so much for the explanation guys..!!
I got everything, but I still don't get why Gbold didn't use RU to recover from PFS but only cofactors...?
Did you get the reason? If he recovered in 1 week just by using cofactors, why should we stil run RU?

this is just another way to do it. they are many ways to do the same thing. I chose this route. I outlined this route from the very beginning, read my posts. You can chose out of many routes. Ru was just one experimental route.

 

[gaivs]

I am at 90% , and back to work. Dont know how valid my experiment was . But this is what it is. I am still taking ace, potassium magnesium copper zinc etc. and thorne . Pretty much dont feel any different than before fin

Gbolduev what form of zinc, copper, potassium, magnesium, etc, did you use? how much of each? And which thorne supplement?

he is taking thorne extra. I have it and I take it here n there on my current cycle. its pretty amazing stuff.

Thank you Ihatefin. The thorne extra has a ratio zinc-copper of 15:1. There is a supplement, the jarrows zinc balance, that has this same ratio. Do you think this is the best or something like optizinc with 100:1 ratio is better?