Brainstorming & Ideas (PFS - Gbol)

[wuf]

I think you guys are missing the point. All of the things that have been suggested all do the SAME thing. They are snapping the body out of alkalosis. Google alkalosis and read about it, you will see. High cortisol and progesterone causes alkalosis.

RU, Ella, minerals, ACE, clomid protocol, fasting etc. etc. all help snap the body out of alkalosis, I mean that is the easiest way to put it.

Minerals over time can do it as well it just takes much longer, what @gbolduev is saying is that things like ACE do it much more efficiently and quicker with the right cofactors.

We got the point..!
The difference Is that after having this point..we don't know what to take and at Wich dose since we all don't want to hurt ourself even more and we don't know the exact mechanism to get out alkalosis.
That's why we are asking a protocol. Because we are not able to guess what it could be...at least I'm not able to do it.

 

[Scenes]

He has said it though several times...normal doses, just the basic recommended dose.

Mine works out to be approx:
2-4mg copper
100mg Potassium (but I’m getting plenty more through food I guess, tomato juice mainly)
150mg magnesium
600mg aspirin to speed things along

Later I’ll add zinc at around 20-30mg. Also have considered iron and b2 just coz he did it lol.

Tubzy is right about it all being different ways to achieve the same thing, and none of this is different from what gbold has said from the beginning. The only change is now he’s saying exactly which minerals are necessary after testing it himself.

Remaining questions for me though:

1) contrarian endocrinology - the snap back thing...it seems now we’re just taking stuff that makes us feel better and hoping it will stick after a few weeks/months, rather than taking stuff that makes us feel worse and recovering after use.

2) certain minerals seem to be very closely associated with certain hormones in the body (copper = estrogen, zinc = progesterone etc). This is probably way too simplistic but which mineral is dht? My impression is that zinc and iron are keys in the testosterone pathway, so maybe it’s just a matter of those being dominant somehow so the body uses dht moreso than prog to counter estrogen.

 

[Scenes]

I’ve joked with the dude about how little we all know yet how much we just chow down every supp he mentions...I think he has to be careful because the moment he lays out a protocol, we’ll have all of us buying every supp on the list and smashing it the second we get home. I’m the same...I would probably be first...actually nah [mention]IHateFin[/mention] would be haha!

 

[wuf]

He has said it though several times...normal doses, just the basic recommended dose.

Mine works out to be approx:
2-4mg copper
100mg Potassium (but I’m getting plenty more through food I guess, tomato juice mainly)
150mg magnesium
600mg aspirin to speed things along

Later I’ll add zinc at around 20-30mg. Also have considered iron and b2 just coz he did it lol.

Tubzy is right about it all being different ways to achieve the same thing, and none of this is different from what gbold has said from the beginning. The only change is now he’s saying exactly which minerals are necessary after testing it himself.

Remaining questions for me though:

1) contrarian endocrinology - the snap back thing...it seems now we’re just taking stuff that makes us feel better and hoping it will stick after a few weeks/months, rather than taking stuff that makes us feel worse and recovering after use.

2) certain minerals seem to be very closely associated with certain hormones in the body (copper = estrogen, zinc = progesterone etc). This is probably way too simplistic but which mineral is dht? My impression is that zinc and iron are keys in the testosterone pathway, so maybe it’s just a matter of those being dominant somehow so the body uses dht moreso than prog to counter estrogen.

Thank you for the protocol man.
You say "later I will add zinc" what do you mean by saying ""later""..later, after what?
Thanks to help.

 

[HerrFisch]

2) certain minerals seem to be very closely associated with certain hormones in the body (copper = estrogen, zinc = progesterone etc). This is probably way too simplistic but which mineral is dht? My impression is that zinc and iron are keys in the testosterone pathway, so maybe it’s just a matter of those being dominant somehow so the body uses dht moreso than prog to counter estrogen.

Iron -->

Zinc lowers magnesium which makes copper biounavailable. This will lower your serum manganese. Since serum manganese goes down your IRON cant come out into the serum. IRON is what makes DHT sensitive.

Quote from Gbolduev RPF
[mention]Scenes[/mention]

 

[Scenes]

Zinc lowers magnesium which makes copper biounavailable. This will lower your serum manganese. Since serum manganese goes down your IRON cant come out into the serum. IRON is what makes DHT sensitive.

Quote from Gbolduev RPF
[mention]Scenes[/mention]

Thanks. I suppose that adds more questions though...

When does taking a mineral cause it to go into the cell as opposed to in the blood or serum?

 

[HerrFisch]

[mention]Scenes[/mention]
What are you referring to ?

The iron beeing biounavailable? Or serum manganese?

 

[expendable]

Zinc lowers magnesium which makes copper biounavailable. This will lower your serum manganese. Since serum manganese goes down your IRON cant come out into the serum. IRON is what makes DHT sensitive.

Quote from Gbolduev RPF
@Scenes

Do we need to supp mang too

 

[joekool]

[mention]wuf[/mention]

From my log

10/22/17 - 11/4/17 :
.25 MG prami morning / night
2 to 3 mcg IGF-1 LR3 Every Other Day
4mg copper mid day
2G Taurine mid day

This improved some feelings in my genitals and had small bursts of libido.

11/5/17 - present: Added the following to my regiment. Everything above remains thus far:
550mg potassium mid day with copper
Before bed:
250Mg Magnesium
3G Glycine
30mg Zinc
400mg Butea Superba
2 Tablespoons Sorghum seeds (ground up) in my protein shake
200mg L-Theanine
1000mg Taurine pill
500mg Vitamin C

The low dose zinc is supposedly helping testosterone while not lowering dht... higher dosages affect DHT. Don't take zinc with calcium as they compete for absorption. Gbolduev didn't suggest Glycine, Theanine, C, butea. ... I added those on my behalf of testing previously

 

[Aleksandr]

Minerals the ones I outlined are needed to go back to normal. ACE alone, will not do anything.

Is ACE for antagonised or agonised progestin receptors?

 

[Shadow]

Zinc lowers magnesium which makes copper biounavailable. This will lower your serum manganese. Since serum manganese goes down your IRON cant come out into the serum. IRON is what makes DHT sensitive.

Quote from Gbolduev RPF
@Scenes

Do we need to supp mang too

Arent you doing good?

 

[TubZy]

I think you guys are missing the point. All of the things that have been suggested all do the SAME thing. They are snapping the body out of alkalosis. Google alkalosis and read about it, you will see. High cortisol and progesterone causes alkalosis.

RU, Ella, minerals, ACE, clomid protocol, fasting etc. etc. all help snap the body out of alkalosis, I mean that is the easiest way to put it.

Minerals over time can do it as well it just takes much longer, what @gbolduev is saying is that things like ACE do it much more efficiently and quicker with the right cofactors.

We got the point..!
The difference Is that after having this point..we don't know what to take and at Wich dose since we all don't want to hurt ourself even more and we don't know the exact mechanism to get out alkalosis.
That's why we are asking a protocol. Because we are not able to guess what it could be...at least I'm not able to do it.

Dude, it was outlined many times already, look at Joe's log and his posts on this thread, same as with Scenes, they both outlined exactly what they are doing with the exact dosage, what is so hard about that? If that is an issue I don't get what is the big deal of just waiting a week until Gbol fully decides to outline it for you? He specifically told you his protocol is VERY similar to Joe's and Scenes regarding the minerals, but you just keep ignoring it.

I think you are the only one that seems super confused still. Most people have a general idea of what is going on. Other users like Expendables, IhateFin, 5 alpha victim all have been experimenting too with results.

I get that you don't want to make yourself worse, but the questions you keep repetitively asking are literally blatantly answered here by multiple people already.

 

[Scenes]

Yeah just to clarify I am doing very well. I’d almost say cured, like 90% if I had to put a number on it.

But it’s still early days...will it stick once I stop supplementing...can’t say yet.

 

[joekool]

Oh man Scenes, that's awesome! I'm saying I'm 8/10 ... as I still have lingering but livable issues...

I just think consistency from this point will continue to heal us...

If I can have another week like this last... then I know what I'm taking is right & just gotta be patient

 

[wuf]

I think you guys are missing the point. All of the things that have been suggested all do the SAME thing. They are snapping the body out of alkalosis. Google alkalosis and read about it, you will see. High cortisol and progesterone causes alkalosis.

RU, Ella, minerals, ACE, clomid protocol, fasting etc. etc. all help snap the body out of alkalosis, I mean that is the easiest way to put it.

Minerals over time can do it as well it just takes much longer, what @gbolduev is saying is that things like ACE do it much more efficiently and quicker with the right cofactors.

We got the point..!
The difference Is that after having this point..we don't know what to take and at Wich dose since we all don't want to hurt ourself even more and we don't know the exact mechanism to get out alkalosis.
That's why we are asking a protocol. Because we are not able to guess what it could be...at least I'm not able to do it.

Dude, it was outlined many times already, look at Joe's log and his posts on this thread, same as with Scenes, they both outlined exactly what they are doing with the exact dosage, what is so hard about that? If that is an issue I don't get what is the big deal of just waiting a week until Gbol fully decides to outline it for you? He specifically told you his protocol is VERY similar to Joe's and Scenes regarding the minerals, but you just keep ignoring it.

I think you are the only one that seems super confused still. Most people have a general idea of what is going on. Other users like Expendables, IhateFin, 5 alpha victim all have been experimenting too with results.

I get that you don't want to make yourself worse, but the questions you keep repetitively asking are literally blatantly answered here by multiple people already.

I think I'm missing something.
I will read it back.
Thanks and sorry

 

[expendable]

Arent you doing good?

Oh man Scenes, that's awesome! I'm saying I'm 8/10 ... as I still have lingering but livable issues...

I just think consistency from this point will continue to heal us...

If I can have another week like this last... then I know what I'm taking is right & just gotta be patient

Yeah just to clarify I am doing very well. I’d almost say cured, like 90% if I had to put a number on it.

But it’s still early days...will it stick once I stop supplementing...can’t say yet.

Yeah I'm doing good too. Like 80-90%. it goes up and down sometimes. I was sad this morning about an unrelated thing and wham. It's like my dick is super sensitive now, to stress/sadness/anything. But good overall!

 

[TubZy]

We got the point..!
The difference Is that after having this point..we don't know what to take and at Wich dose since we all don't want to hurt ourself even more and we don't know the exact mechanism to get out alkalosis.
That's why we are asking a protocol. Because we are not able to guess what it could be...at least I'm not able to do it.

Dude, it was outlined many times already, look at Joe's log and his posts on this thread, same as with Scenes, they both outlined exactly what they are doing with the exact dosage, what is so hard about that? If that is an issue I don't get what is the big deal of just waiting a week until Gbol fully decides to outline it for you? He specifically told you his protocol is VERY similar to Joe's and Scenes regarding the minerals, but you just keep ignoring it.

I think you are the only one that seems super confused still. Most people have a general idea of what is going on. Other users like Expendables, IhateFin, 5 alpha victim all have been experimenting too with results.

I get that you don't want to make yourself worse, but the questions you keep repetitively asking are literally blatantly answered here by multiple people already.

I think I'm missing something.
I will read it back.
Thanks and sorry

Lol you don't have to apologize just trying to help you that is all

 

[TubZy]

Yeah just to clarify I am doing very well. I’d almost say cured, like 90% if I had to put a number on it.

But it’s still early days...will it stick once I stop supplementing...can’t say yet.

That is remarkable man, considering you were the one who didn't respond to RU that well so this is definitely excellent news

 

[bruschi11]

Really great info for me below. My mycoplasma infection caused severely low manganese. Was considering supplementing post-fast. Now really sure l’ll be doing so.

Zinc lowers magnesium which makes copper biounavailable. This will lower your serum manganese. Since serum manganese goes down your IRON cant come out into the serum. IRON is what makes DHT sensitive.

Quote from Gbolduev RPF
@Scenes

 

[bruschi11]

And really amazing seeing where you are [mention]Scenes[/mention] . Thought you were the lame duck of the RU trialers and now you found a way just like that to get to 90%. Literally unbelievable.

I believe it though. I believe [mention]gbolduev[/mention] is correct in his methods here and you’re a MAJOR example of this.