Electrolyte Protocol for Improved Health

[mattyb]

pffff I was taking the capsule after meal or near the end. And all is fine until a few hours AFTER the meal, much after. If I bend, I can have some burp with this acidity burning my throat. In general I have this when I should nearly be at the time to eat the next meal.
@mattyb can this be that I get and produce more acid than for one meal now? I take bitter greens and salt and lemon plus olive oil in the morning, and you were saying that it was enough to produce acid for the rest of the day...
I have a doubt because the burning comes late, and I was expecting the burning to come sooner during digestion, if we have too much HCl.... Can you precise something about this please?

You don't need to take HCl if when you regurgitate it burns the back of your throat at any time of day. That means you produce more than enough acid. If you regurgitated and it didn't burn at all, then that would mean you need more stomach acid. You likely don't even need the salad anymore. I rarely do it now that my stomach acid is back and working, I only occasionally do the salad when I feel I need it.

Anybody has understood what is volume expansion? Is is when you are swollen with water? Who has example of how it manifest in himself?

Volume expansion is the when the body is retaining fluids, which is why sodium is bad for it. Volume expansion alkalosis is when the person is retaining fluids, pH is too high, and something is keeping it that way.

 

[djohn051]

Yes aminos are to keep cortisol reduced so essential should be fine, the important stuff is the electrolytes(KCl/MgCl) with HCl. Liver flushes could be done before or after fasting, just not during. Once per month for first year, then maybe once or twice per year.

Thanks! What are the steps to a liver flush?

 

[Orion]

Thanks! What are the steps to a liver flush?

I follow this one, done it twice: Liver Gallbladder Flush

 

[brongfogboy]

Juicing beets (organic) is making me feel so nauseated. It's happened twice now, I am almost throwing up it's making me so sick. There must be some antimicrobial properties to this because it happens pretty quick after drinking (5 minutes)

 

[Shanks]

I follow this one, done it twice: Liver Gallbladder Flush

Did you remove a gallstone with this protocol. Because i got one

 

[Orion]

Did you remove a gallstone with this protocol. Because i got one

Haven't been searching, but feel like lots of crud gets flush out!

 

[Canari]

I dont know and still need some help to figure out. Your answer was useful thanks and there is still a puzzle...
I had to get up and throw up, not acid.

You don't need to take HCl if when you regurgitate it burns the back of your throat at any time of day. That means you produce more than enough acid. If you regurgitated and it didn't burn at all, then that would mean you need more stomach acid. You likely don't even need the salad anymore. I rarely do it now that my stomach acid is back and working, I only occasionally do the salad when I feel I need it.

I had less greens today and more cheese less meat. And broth, so quite liquid. I regurgitated acid maybe 4 hours after, when gardening, so bending. I decided to eat again, taking no hcl of course. I thought I had some extra acid that needed some use!
Then I started a headache with nausea. I used Buteyko breathing to stop the headache and went to bed super early.

3 hours after, that was too much pain and I got up. What i vomited is NOT ACID. It did not burn me at all. Actually, it left me with the taste of the good old cheese I ate 7 hours ago!

 

[mattyb]

I dont know and still need some help to figure out. Your answer was useful thanks and there is still a puzzle...
I had to get up and throw up, not acid.

I had less greens today and more cheese less meat. And broth, so quite liquid. I regurgitated acid maybe 4 hours after, when gardening, so bending. I decided to eat again, taking no hcl of course. I thought I had some extra acid that needed some use!
Then I started a headache with nausea. I used Buteyko breathing to stop the headache and went to bed super early.

3 hours after, that was too much pain and I got up. What i vomited is NOT ACID. It did not burn me at all. Actually, it left me with the taste of the good old cheese I ate 7 hours ago!

Are you taking electrolytes or just the HCl?

 

[djohn051]

What is the theory on what Finasteride has done to libido/what exactly does this protocol do to correct it? I am still a bit unsure about that.

 

[Canari]

Are you taking electrolytes or just the HCl?

Good question! Forgot to state here that I also take c-salts, that has vit c with K Ca Mg Zn.
As they give no dosis, I take less than a tsp after meals. I really got better with it, as it suppressed my night cramps. Nice BM. I have up my protein a lot but cannot stand more than 3 eggs a day, or else I have sulfur gases... Beef is by far the best for me. Fish too. Bone broth can be an issue, they are thick and full of juice from nettles etc, but that is liquid... Should take broth as snack?

I have also been belching during the day for a week lets say, which is uncommon for me. But I had osteopathic work on all main diaphragms, and got the memory of my duodenum test for celiac. Big reaction of the tongue muscles! I slept on the table and started to breathe very fast and superficial, I guess a memory of anestesia.

 

[TubZy]

What is the theory on what Finasteride has done to libido/what exactly does this protocol do to correct it? I am still a bit unsure about that.

There is a post (or a few posts), which I can't seem to find at the moment, but in very high level finasteride induced alkalosis and this protocol helps you get out of that state (i.e. into acidosis).

You are basically forcing the body to snap out of the current state (alkalosis) it is stuck in by turning metabolism back on and starting to retain aminos, minerals etc. (zinc is significantly wasted with finasteride). That is why it can be used for multiple conditions. You are also starting from the highest level (digestion) so you are letting the body put things where it's needed.

 

[Pope]

You would need 3 months off supps to get this effect, so you just have to do the hair test. Ratios are not all about the quantity of supps but about the balance the body decides to have, according to much more than your intake, food or supps... Are you in Norway?

Yes i am , and You ?

 

[PAS]

Can someone clear my misunderstanding. HCl becomes H3O+ and Cl- as soon as it dissolves in water. I am just guessing ( emphasizing guessing) that H+ is not the needed ion here and Cl- is. Isn't Cl- readily available in table salt. Why can't we take salt to get Cl-. The probable reasons I can think are
1. We need only Cl- and not Na+, so table salt would be a no go.
2. We need HCl in capsule form so it dissolves only when it reaches the stomach, adding to the stomach acid. I think this is the reason since the experts here talk about low stomach acid and not deficiency of Cl-, but I ll be grateful if someone can clarify. If this IS the reason, is there any other way to increase acidity than buying HCl

 

[mattyb]

Can someone clear my misunderstanding. HCl becomes H3O+ and Cl- as soon as it dissolves in water. I am just guessing ( emphasizing guessing) that H+ is not the needed ion here and Cl- is. Isn't Cl- readily available in table salt. Why can't we take salt to get Cl-. The probable reasons I can think are
1. We need only Cl- and not Na+, so table salt would be a no go.
2. We need HCl in capsule form so it dissolves only when it reaches the stomach, adding to the stomach acid. I think this is the reason since the experts here talk about low stomach acid and not deficiency of Cl-, but I ll be grateful if someone can clarify. If this IS the reason, is there any other way to increase acidity than buying HCl

H3O+ is needed. It is what increases acidity of the system. Chloride is super important too though.

Most guys in PFS don't need extra sodium. Often they contain too much intracellular sodium, so we need to force sodium loss from the cell. So NaCl is a no go. NaCl is helpful for people who have low blood and hair sodium. It's good for contraction alkalosis (loss of fluids).

Anything that will feed you extra hydrogen atoms, chloride and potassium will raise naturally occuring stomach HCl. You need tons of it though. This is what I did for myself by consuming a ton of leafy greens marinated in olive oil and vinegar - greens like spinach are very high in chloride and potassium and the vinegar provides the acidity. We are not just trying to raise stomach acid, but entire body concentrations of chloride, hydrogen (or hydronium), and potassium ions. This will in turn raise gastric acid, which will help with protein digestion, which will help restore metabolism and cachexia seen in PFS. It would be much more efficient if we could get everyone here on a central line with HCl, and then also feed them IV potassium and magnesium chlorides. It's not just about what we get in the stomach, but what actually gets taken into the body and hits the blood stream. The problem with oral feeding is that a ton of the ions are lost in feces and urine, and are never taken in by the body, so it's much less efficient than IV and central lines.

 

[Legna88]

H3O+ is needed. It is what increases acidity of the system. Chloride is super important too though.

Most guys in PFS don't need extra sodium. Often they contain too much intracellular sodium, so we need to force sodium loss from the cell. So NaCl is a no go. NaCl is helpful for people who have low blood and hair sodium. It's good for contraction alkalosis (loss of fluids).

Anything that will feed you extra hydrogen atoms, chloride and potassium will raise naturally occuring stomach HCl. You need tons of it though. This is what I did for myself by consuming a ton of leafy greens marinated in olive oil and vinegar - greens like spinach are very high in chloride and potassium and the vinegar provides the acidity. We are not just trying to raise stomach acid, but entire body concentrations of chloride, hydrogen (or hydronium), and potassium ions. This will in turn raise gastric acid, which will help with protein digestion, which will help restore metabolism and cachexia seen in PFS. It would be much more efficient if we could get everyone here on a central line with HCl, and then also feed them IV potassium and magnesium chlorides. It's not just about what we get in the stomach, but what actually gets taken into the body and hits the blood stream. The problem with oral feeding is that a ton of the ions are lost in feces and urine, and are never taken in by the body, so it's much less efficient than IV and central lines.

@mattyb how about soaking in magnesium chloride and potassium chloride in a hot bath tube or just hot foot soak? this would bypass the GI tract and enter the bloodstream directly??? would this raise stomach acid without taking HCL powder?

i read about a doctor's method of healing people, he would fast them 3- 7 days on a potassium rich cream soup composed of zucchini, celery, parsley and string beans... after this fast he would prescribe a whole food diet made at home everything from scratch (like our grandparents did), whole grains/cereals, raw meat, raw eggs, raw milk, fruits, veggies, tubers etc... this cured 1000s of people from deathly diseases... maybe the chlorides and magnesium and potassium from the greens started to create stomach acid... any thoughts about this @gbolduev ??

 

[Helen]

@mattyb how about soaking in magnesium chloride and potassium chloride in a hot bath tube or just hot foot soak? this would bypass the GI tract and enter the bloodstream directly??? would this raise stomach acid without taking HCL powder?

i read about a doctor's method of healing people, he would fast them 3- 7 days on a potassium rich cream soup composed of zucchini, celery, parsley and string beans... after this fast he would prescribe a whole food diet made at home everything from scratch (like our grandparents did), whole grains/cereals, raw meat, raw eggs, raw milk, fruits, veggies, tubers etc... this cured 1000s of people from deathly diseases... maybe the chlorides and magnesium and potassium from the greens started to create stomach acid... any thoughts about this @gbolduev ??

this is exactly what it is. this is what Breuss fast is all about also

 

[Helen]

@mattyb

I think if people have sodium retention , this sodium is retained to increase adrenalin signaling. when methylation is down because of low chlorides. This is why people feel kind of bad on magnesium at first. since it lowers that sodium which was retained by cortisol . SO body is funny like that unless you have real problems with cortisol, like cushings. then cortisol's sodium retention is protective.

so basically, people should concentrate more on 2 things. Retain the elements of methylation , like folic acid , b2, protein and potassium. Potassium retention lowers progesterone and eating protein and methylation components will lower cortisol by increasing adrenaline.. And boom back to normal

MAy be if we give people too much magnesium at first it wont be good in this case. I gave it so people digest potassium. Potassium will be retained only when cortisol falls. And cortisol will fall only when aminos and adrenaline goes higher.

So need to cocentrate on potassium with chloride at first plus aminos plus spinaches, to get folates, to get b12, vitamin C zinc manganese to start adrenaline. this will allow cortisol to fall, as cortisol levels fall this will allow potassium to be retained. And as potassium get high inside of the cell and outside, this will make calcium ionized and copper working.

 

[Helen]

@mattyb

Just imagine, peoples cortisol is high since they are low on stomach acid. so those folks are low on amino acids, and they cant digest them from food. Now they go and take some drugs to lower cortisol. or bag breathe. and boom. You get instantly low on all systemic proteins. and you get free coppers etc like we see a lot lately from Ray Peat forum . Then you get IBS and you are done

That is why it is crucial to work from the bottom of the dysregulation and not just block hormones that help you to get regulated. like serotonins cortisols.

 

[Legna88]

@mattyb

Just imagine, peoples cortisol is high since they are low on stomach acid. so those folks are low on amino acids, and they cant digest them from food. Now they go and take some drugs to lower cortisol. or bag breathe. and boom. You get instantly low on all systemic proteins. and you get free coppers etc like we see a lot lately from Ray Peat forum . Then you get IBS and you are done

That is why it is crucial to work from the bottom of the dysregulation and not just block hormones that help you to get regulated. like serotonins cortisols.

@gbolduev another thing I read that is best for creating stomach acid is to drink 16 oz fresh celery juice first thing in the morning on EMPTY stomach and another 16 oz, 12 hours later on empty stomach(30 min before food or 2 hours after food)... the guy claims it is THE BEST way to raise stomach acid because it contains the exact minerals the body needs to create stomach acid
here u can read the guy's article about celery raising stomach acid: Healing Power of Celery

Celery Juice


another healer told me that the best way to heal is to fast 3- 4 days on distilled water and transition into a whole raw egg fast, he says raw eggs contains all nutrients we need in a balanced way .. he recommends 30- 60 raw eggs per day, depending on how fast do u want to heal, the more you eat the faster you heal, he claims... i wonder if eggs contain chloride...

but what do u think about foot or whole body soak in potassium chloride and magnesium chloride? maybe 1 kg KCh with 400g MgCh in a full bath tube, soaking for 30- 60 minutes?

 

[Helen]

@gbolduev another thing I read that is best for creating stomach acid is to drink 16 oz fresh celery juice first thing in the morning on EMPTY stomach and another 16 oz, 12 hours later on empty stomach(30 min before food or 2 hours after food)... the guy claims it is THE BEST way to raise stomach acid because it contains the exact minerals the body needs to create stomach acid
here u can read the guy's article about celery raising stomach acid: Healing Power of Celery

Celery Juice


another healer told me that the best way to heal is to fast 3- 4 days on distilled water and transition into a whole raw egg fast, he says raw eggs contains all nutrients we need in a balanced way .. he recommends 30- 60 raw eggs per day, depending on how fast do u want to heal, the more you eat the faster you heal, he claims... i wonder if eggs contain chloride...

I recommend breuss fast and juicing, celery is the main component of Breuss. Raw eggs are part of the protocol. Read first page