Experimental Hair Loss Options

Aleksandr

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Found these quotes interesting for hair loss ideas;


"Most people (slow oxidisers) have high CO2 not low in venous blood. Since most of them overeat on sugar, downregulate Cortisol receptors and increase Progesterone receptors, in this chemistry. 3 beta HSD which is Zinc based will be suppressed and NAD will be suppressed. This will cause your Zinc to be bio-unavailable and you will be low on the CAD enzyme which converts CO2 into bicarb and will have high CO2. Also, this will keep your methylation low, since NAD is needed to break down acetaldehyde and if acetaldehyde is high, MAO will be inhibited. If MAO is inhibited, methylation will be inhibited. This is how nicotinamide lowers histamine and serotonin."

(on fasting): "Cortisol receptors grow, Cortisol goes down effect is the same. but you need less Cortisol to do the same job. that is exactly what I wrote. I don't want in any way to decrease Cortisol signaling. I want less material used for its synthesis.
I fast, I eat little sugar. This does great for my immunity and for the rest of my body"

"Since CO2 and sugar lowers your CO2 in the cell. You drink bubble water, that is a lot of CO2, body will compensate by lower your Potassium in the cell. less Potassium = less thyroid effect. Less CO2 produced in the cell. HAIRLOSS cure is to produce CO2 in the cell = high thyroid action. Now for someone very active and with amazing sympathetic activity and methylation and good levels of Zinc (which converts that extra C02 into bicarbonate) your CO2 production will be high inside of the cell since you can utilize this CO2 properly. That is why cure for hairloss is Zinc and Manganese, these are 2 minerals which are low in it. "

"If you lower CO2, it will raise metabolism, since calcium and magnesium will come out of the cell, and thus they will allow sodium and potassium to enter the cell. Sodium and potassium make your metabolism work. When CO2 is high calcium and magnesium gets into ionized form, and enter the cell and block sodium and potassium entrance/ That is why zinc increases potassium in the cell, and manganese increases sodium in the cell. Manganese increases breathing drive and zinc increases bicarbonate."
 

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It is well known that taurine is very beneficial for hair both orally and topically. Many of us have tried it before but didn't know the exact mechanism.

Given, Gbol's theory on the cell, taurine heavily interacts with the fluid balance in the cell (potassium, magnesium, sodium etc.) and balances it.
That has to be the reason why taurine helps as well. [mention]gbolduev[/mention]
 

jacknap

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haidut cited a study with danny roddy that taurine is just as effective as finasteride at halting hair loss without the sides. Definitely gotta add it to my stack. Oh boy, if I can fully recover from this shit I'm gunna be so beast with all this info

tubz u know a good quality red light for cheap? like a single bulb perhaps and put it as my reading lamp while im using PC to shine on my face / nads lol
 

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jacknap post_id=1622 time=1508201123 user_id=82 said:
haidut cited a study with danny roddy that taurine is just as effective as finasteride at halting hair loss without the sides. Definitely gotta add it to my stack. Oh boy, if I can fully recover from this shit I'm gunna be so beast with all this info

tubz u know a good quality red light for cheap? like a single bulb perhaps and put it as my reading lamp while im using PC to shine on my face / nads lol

Yeah I saw it before, some of us concluded at the time it was from the anti fibrosis effects, but it seems to go way beyond that now.

Have you checked red light man yet? That is the only one I personally would buy from, he has the red light mini it is only $100 lol
 

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TubZy post_id=1631 time=1508206109 user_id=2 said:
jacknap post_id=1622 time=1508201123 user_id=82 said:
haidut cited a study with danny roddy that taurine is just as effective as finasteride at halting hair loss without the sides. Definitely gotta add it to my stack. Oh boy, if I can fully recover from this shit I'm gunna be so beast with all this info

tubz u know a good quality red light for cheap? like a single bulb perhaps and put it as my reading lamp while im using PC to shine on my face / nads lol

Yeah I saw it before, some of us concluded at the time it was from the anti fibrosis effects, but it seems to go way beyond that now.

Have you checked red light man yet? That is the only one I personally would buy from, he has the red light mini it is only $100 lol

no I haven't thanks! A lot of the amino acids that seem good for PFS and mens health in general seem to be the less popular foods... eg) bone broth, collagen, organs. Those I think have taurine, glycine, lysine right?
 

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TubZy post_id=1613 time=1508196527 user_id=2 said:
It is well known that taurine is very beneficial for hair both orally and topically. Many of us have tried it before but didn't know the exact mechanism.

Given, Gbol's theory on the cell, taurine heavily interacts with the fluid balance in the cell (potassium, magnesium, sodium etc.) and balances it.
That has to be the reason why taurine helps as well. [mention]gbolduev[/mention]

I mentioned this earlier somewhere about taurine and mineral balancing fitting perfectly with gbold’s theories.

There must be more to it though. Like perhaps certain minerals aren’t bioavailable or being utilised properly.

Otherwise we’d all just take taurine and reduce the calcification/fibrosis/fat buildup with salt and polysorb and be done with it.
 

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I defintely agree, the initial consensus for taurine was the anti fibrosis factor, but taurine does much more like balance minerals although I need to look into exactly how. I used to use taurine all the time for excessive lower back pumps, it is known in the BB world for lowering BP, cramps and excessive pumps since it can balance electrolytes and minerals.

But now given what we know about potassium and sodium in the cell and it's relation to hair loss, I think that has to be the primary mechanism it works through. I really want to get gbols thoughts on this one. I wonder if there is a way to enhance it further as well something like zinc+manganese+NAD+taurine
 

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I think the more things you add to zinc and manganese the more you focus on one body chemistry.

Zinc and manganese may help 80% of all people (probably slow oxidizer) and peat diet for the other 20% with protein wasting.

If you now add NAD I would assume that of those 80% you would not help all and may make things worse?
 

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Noodle post_id=1676 time=1508251760 user_id=63 said:
I think the more things you add to zinc and manganese the more you focus on one body chemistry.

Zinc and manganese may help 80% of all people (probably slow oxidizer) and peat diet for the other 20% with protein wasting.

If you now add NAD I would assume that of those 80% you would not help all and may make things worse?

I agree, what got me thinking about NAD is that Gbol mentioned they are on a ratio per say, so if you elevate zinc you lower NAD and vice versa. We know zinc and NAD/B3 both are great for hair and skin.
 

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What do you guys think ablout DIM ? Did Gbold say something about DIM ?

Could help lower estrogen
 

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TubZy post_id=1613 time=1508196527 user_id=2 said:
It is well known that taurine is very beneficial for hair both orally and topically. Many of us have tried it before but didn't know the exact mechanism.

Given, Gbol's theory on the cell, taurine heavily interacts with the fluid balance in the cell (potassium, magnesium, sodium etc.) and balances it.
That has to be the reason why taurine helps as well. @gbolduev

Taurine chelates copper and makes more cysteine available for hair. Same as methionine, that is why a lot of people get hair thickening on methionine. but need to be careful with taurine since it chelates zinc also. Taurine increases bile, which helps to get rid of copper.Could be a good addition for zinc manganese for slow oxidizers. Of course this is for certain hairloss. For a different case of hairloss methionine and taurine will cause hairloss.
 

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gbolduev post_id=1877 time=1508361259 user_id=90 said:
TubZy post_id=1613 time=1508196527 user_id=2 said:
It is well known that taurine is very beneficial for hair both orally and topically. Many of us have tried it before but didn't know the exact mechanism.

Given, Gbol's theory on the cell, taurine heavily interacts with the fluid balance in the cell (potassium, magnesium, sodium etc.) and balances it.
That has to be the reason why taurine helps as well. @gbolduev

Taurine chelates copper and makes more cysteine available for hair. Same as methionine, that is why a lot of people get hair thickening on methionine. but need to be careful with taurine since it chelates zinc also.


[mention]gbolduev[/mention] coming back to foods and specifically seafood, prawns/shrimp and oysters would be ideal
 

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gbolduev post_id=1877 time=1508361259 user_id=90 said:
TubZy post_id=1613 time=1508196527 user_id=2 said:
It is well known that taurine is very beneficial for hair both orally and topically. Many of us have tried it before but didn't know the exact mechanism.

Given, Gbol's theory on the cell, taurine heavily interacts with the fluid balance in the cell (potassium, magnesium, sodium etc.) and balances it.
That has to be the reason why taurine helps as well. @gbolduev

Taurine chelates copper and makes more cysteine available for hair. Same as methionine, that is why a lot of people get hair thickening on methionine. but need to be careful with taurine since it chelates zinc also. Taurine increases bile, which helps to get rid of copper.Could be a good addition for zinc manganese for slow oxidizers. Of course this is for certain hairloss. For a different case of hairloss methionine and taurine will cause hairloss.

What about adding in NAD/B3 to that combo also since zinc lowers NAD and vice versa? Niacinamide improves a lot of our hair...selenium is another one as well
Zinc + manganese + taurine + NAD
 

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My current topical solution that I spray directly onto the scalp includes taurine, aspirin, sodium bicarbonate, caffeine, and niacinamide. Do any of the independent thinkers here believe that any of those ingredients could contribute to hairloss or inhibit growth in any context?
 

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PhilParma post_id=1898 time=1508369773 user_id=134 said:
My current topical solution that I spray directly onto the scalp includes taurine, aspirin, sodium bicarbonate, caffeine, and niacinamide. Do any of the independent thinkers here believe that any of those ingredients could contribute to hairloss or inhibit growth in any context?

My past experience with topical aspirin has been tricky. It helps improve scalp and hair but can also fry your hair and make it look like shit too, I'm assuming due to the acidic structure so it is a pain, which is one of the reasons I gave up on it a while back.

Caffeine, niacinamide, taurine, selenium, zinc, B6 all improved my hair and made it look healthier even after first use it is noticeable.
 

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Gbolduev thinks no one should use aspirin. I think caffeine isn't recommended either
 

PhilParma

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I think that aspirin is too helpful for the skin quality of my face for me to give it up. I can stop spraying it on my scalp though.

Can you give quick notes on why caffeine/aspirin are bad for hair?
 

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Nevermind, I just read some of gbold's rationale and I'm too dumb to understand it. I will probably stop spraying aspirin on my scalp though. Thanks.
 

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PhilParma post_id=1901 time=1508371440 user_id=134 said:
I think that aspirin is too helpful for the skin quality of my face for me to give it up. I can stop spraying it on my scalp though.

Can you give quick notes on why caffeine/aspirin are bad for hair?

If you are talking about solban, yes it worked fine on my face, but when solban was added it to my hair, it kind of fried it out, probably from the combo of both alcohol in solban and the aspirin (acidic).

Easiest way it try switching to a water only vehicle and just try caffeine and niacinamide and even taurine together in it.
 

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[mention]gbolduev[/mention]

interesting, so judging by my hair test from last year (unless it changed) you said I was a fast oxidizer... so would taurine be a no-no for me? My hair has only gotten mildly thicker since I crashed but that could be because I'm eating even healthier too...