Experimental Hair Loss Options

[Scenes]

I think he inferred a year or so, combined with the salt scrubs and lethicin on the scalp

Someone asked about this on the old forum:

Sorry to interrupt, but is there a time to stop Zinc 25 + Manganese 10?
Like is the balance restored after say 3-4 weeks or does one need to take it continously ?

gbolduev: may be 2-3 months

Ah thanks lol. I think the year must be referring to the salt scrub and lethicin

The year was for regrowth if you are slick bald.

Salt he said everyday for a month. lecithin/polysorb80.

zinc mang 2-3 months

 

[Aleksandr]

Someone asked about this on the old forum:



gbolduev: may be 2-3 months

Ah thanks lol. I think the year must be referring to the salt scrub and lethicin

The year was for regrowth if you are slick bald.

Salt he said everyday for a month. lecithin/polysorb80.

zinc mang 2-3 months

What are the ideas on applying the salt for a scrub? Do you use unground chunks of salt or the smaller ground salt?
How long are you rubbing it in for?

 

[Milky]

Ah thanks lol. I think the year must be referring to the salt scrub and lethicin

The year was for regrowth if you are slick bald.

Salt he said everyday for a month. lecithin/polysorb80.

zinc mang 2-3 months

What are the ideas on applying the salt for a scrub? Do you use unground chunks of salt or the smaller ground salt?
How long are you rubbing it in for?

gbolduev said to use "granulated sea salt" which is actually how they label the fine ground sea salt. I tried the regular stuff at first and wasn't feeling it as much, then tried the fine ground and it seems to do better. It feels like scrubbing my head with sand and if you do it hard enough it stings a little and I think covers a bit more surface area than the chunkier stuff. That being said, I had already ordered a couple pound bags of the Celtic brand gray sea salt (which I used to eat during my paleo days) and tried that stuff and man...it has some sharper chunks in it for sure, but it feels like I'm wasting too much of it to get the full effect. So my current solution? I mixed the two. Mostly using fine ground with some chunks thrown in for variety.

 

[TubZy]

Also, has anyone tried topical manganese or topical zinc (prob sulfate) together or separate for hair purposes? Topical manganese seems to be decently effective on skin conditions so it could be worth trying topically on the scalp.

http://hackstasis.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&p=1084#p1084

 

[Noodle]

I understand what Gbold tries to fix with Zinc and Manganese.

The only thing bothering me is that zinc in particular is the most used Hair supplement I guess.
And esp. from bodybuilders. They often use 50mg-100mg a day.

Wouldnt zinc on its own have "solved" hair loss already for loads of people?

Manganese is just there to protect you from getting too high progesterone. But Estrogen would be lowered.
So there would be many people with pfs kind of symptoms and good hair or am I missing something?

 

[JDD]

I understand what Gbold tries to fix with Zinc and Manganese.

The only thing bothering me is that zinc in particular is the most used Hair supplement I guess.
And esp. from bodybuilders. They often use 50mg-100mg a day.

Wouldnt zinc on its own have "solved" hair loss already for loads of people?

Manganese is just there to protect you from getting too high progesterone. But Estrogen would be lowered.
So there would be many people with pfs kind of symptoms and good hair or am I missing something?

"Zinc lowers magnesium which makes copper biounavailable. This will lower your serum manganese. Since serum manganese goes down your IRON cant come out into the serum. IRON is what makes DHT sensitive." - gbolduev

From my understanding you want your cells to be sensitive to hormones. Not sensitive to DHT means you will need a lot of it which will only make balding worse. Maybe someone can verify if that's right?

 

[Aleksandr]

I understand what Gbold tries to fix with Zinc and Manganese.

The only thing bothering me is that zinc in particular is the most used Hair supplement I guess.
And esp. from bodybuilders. They often use 50mg-100mg a day.

Wouldnt zinc on its own have "solved" hair loss already for loads of people?

Manganese is just there to protect you from getting too high progesterone. But Estrogen would be lowered.
So there would be many people with pfs kind of symptoms and good hair or am I missing something?

"Zinc lowers magnesium which makes copper biounavailable. This will lower your serum manganese. Since serum manganese goes down your IRON cant come out into the serum. IRON is what makes DHT sensitive." - gbolduev

From my understanding you want your cells to be sensitive to hormones. Not sensitive to DHT means you will need a lot of it which will only make balding worse. Maybe someone can verify if that's right?

Gbolduev said something like; The manganese makes iron work, and without iron there will be no hair growth.

You need both, it is a balancing act. Gbolduev isn't recommending only zinc, but a balance of zinc:manganese. he's said before things like "too fast metabolism = hairloss, too slow metabolism = hairloss"

 

[Scenes]

He also said earlier on about hairloss that the cause is too little co2 in the cell, too much co2 in venous blood.

Zinc and mang both address this in some way. It was only later on he started simplifying it and using estrogen and dht in his explanations.

 

[hello]

Hello guys, something that I don't understand, please make this clear to me:

So, I am loosing hair since 6 years ago, now my hair condition is pretty bad .
my prolactin: 24.8 ng/mL | normal ranges: 2.5 - 17 ng/mL
progesterone: 0.4 ng/mL. | normal is < 2 ng/ml

I was about to take Bromocriptine for one week , small dose 2,5 mg... to see how I'am reacting...maybe a new test for prolactin after that ... but kind of in doubts because of bromo sides..

Then I was thinking about this:

@TubZy said:
What is your opinion on why things like dopamine agonists (bromo, caber, lisuride etc.) or things that can lower prolactin can regrow and recolor hair? Are they chelating some mineral of some sort?
@gbolduev:
I think it makes manganese more available. Since manganese is what raises prolactin in blood since manganese lowers 3 beta hsd. Zinc makes manganese available. Zinc lowers prolactin
gbolduev

So if manganese raises prolactin, why it has to be made Available? I want to lower my prolactin, thinking that this is what cause my hair loss. I just don't get it... probably is some systemic process of manganese + zinc, I would really appreciate if someone can explain me, Thank you

p.s: I am doing salt rub too, instead of shampooing my hair, thinking maybe i should get polysorb80 also .

 

[brix]

Been doing the gbold protocol for fast oxidizers of calcium and copper.
I did not shed one hair in the shower.
I am hoping this sticks!

 

[Jamie]

I'm a bit confused, will zinc+manganese be good for fast oxidizer with hairloss? Or it is about calcium and copper

 

[jacknap]

@tubzy what would you say is a great shampoo to use now?

I used to use nizoral and pura d'or before I crashed. Shit has saw palmetto in it fuckkk that noise lol.

I got a new organic baby shampoo but even that has nettle. nettle is in almost every shampoo I can find though I don't think it's dangerous, what's your opinion?

 

[TubZy]

@tubzy what would you say is a great shampoo to use now?

I used to use nizoral and pura d'or before I crashed. Shit has saw palmetto in it fuckkk that noise lol.

I got a new organic baby shampoo but even that has nettle. nettle is in almost every shampoo I can find though I don't think it's dangerous, what's your opinion?

Nettle is mild, but I was sensitive to anything so it bothered me, however it might not bother you.

Either one of these, just make sure you let it sit for at least 10 minutes before rinsing out so it absorbs:

selsun blue menthol
https://www.amazon.com/Selsun-Blue-Medicated-Dandruff-11-Ounce/dp/B001UGL84U/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1508011633&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=selsun%2Bblue%2Bshampoo&smid=A82MLX8CMW8NO&th=1

piroctone olamine shampoo
https://www.amazon.com/Seba-Med-Shampoo-Anti-Dandruff-200ml/dp/B0015XEE3U/ref=sr_1_1_s_it?s=beauty&ie=UTF8&qid=1508011653&sr=1-1&keywords=piroctone+olamine

You can also add ingredients to the second shampoo listed, things like niacinamide, taurine, caffeine, manganese etc. it dissolves things well, again just make sure you let it sit for at least 10 minutes minimum so it actually absorbs. Adding caffeine will also enhance and speed up the absorption time of the other ingredients as well as it opens up the cell.

This is all the stuff I used to do until my allergies started fucking with me bad, and made me sensitive to everything so I had to stop for time being.

 

[TubZy]

Been doing the gbold protocol for fast oxidizers of calcium and copper.
I did not shed one hair in the shower.
I am hoping this sticks!

Can you expand more on exactly what you are doing? Thanks

 

[Rez]

Could the answer really be as simple as copper/calcium or zinc/manganese?

 

[brix]

Been doing the gbold protocol for fast oxidizers of calcium and copper.
I did not shed one hair in the shower.
I am hoping this sticks!

Can you expand more on exactly what you are doing? Thanks

I figured I am a "fast oxidizer" based on gbold's explanation. High potassium in cell leads to increased metabolism. I am tall and slender and have thinning hair. He said fast oxidizers respond well to Peat diet which is high in calcium. I do not drink any milk and get calcium from yogurt and cheese on occasion.

I decided to supplement 1200mg calcium and 8mg copper. (100% and 200% DV, respectively).
I also do some massaging and occasional polysorbate 80, which has cleared my sebhorreic derm.
I dropped selsun blue since adding polysorb.

Zinc and Manganese increased my shedding.

 

[Aleksandr]

Been doing the gbold protocol for fast oxidizers of calcium and copper.
I did not shed one hair in the shower.
I am hoping this sticks!

Can you expand more on exactly what you are doing? Thanks

I figured I am a "fast oxidizer" based on gbold's explanation. High potassium in cell leads to increased metabolism. I am tall and slender and have thinning hair. He said fast oxidizers respond well to Peat diet which is high in calcium. I do not drink any milk and get calcium from yogurt and cheese on occasion.

I decided to supplement 1200mg calcium and 8mg copper. (100% and 200% DV, respectively).
I also do some massaging and occasional polysorbate 80, which has cleared my sebhorreic derm.
I dropped selsun blue since adding polysorb.

Zinc and Manganese increased my shedding.

Thats interesting!!!

Do you feel like an adrenaline person or a relaxed person in general life?

 

[brix]

Can you expand more on exactly what you are doing? Thanks

I figured I am a "fast oxidizer" based on gbold's explanation. High potassium in cell leads to increased metabolism. I am tall and slender and have thinning hair. He said fast oxidizers respond well to Peat diet which is high in calcium. I do not drink any milk and get calcium from yogurt and cheese on occasion.

I decided to supplement 1200mg calcium and 8mg copper. (100% and 200% DV, respectively).
I also do some massaging and occasional polysorbate 80, which has cleared my sebhorreic derm.
I dropped selsun blue since adding polysorb.

Zinc and Manganese increased my shedding.

Thats interesting!!!

Do you feel like an adrenaline person or a relaxed person in general life?

I would say I am somewhat of an anxious person. Not sure if it is related to adrenaline though.

 

[Scenes]

https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/the-cause-of-baldness.20374/unread

Just to add another theory to the mix. Wonder how any of this fits with gbolduev.

The tl;dr on that link is that gut imbalance leads to hormone imbalance leads to fibrosis leads to balding.

Fix the gut with kefir and raw milk = no more balding. Reduce fibrosis with massage = regrowth.

 

[Aleksandr]

https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/the-cause-of-baldness.20374/unread

Just to add another theory to the mix. Wonder how any of this fits with gbolduev.

The tl;dr on that link is that gut imbalance leads to hormone imbalance leads to fibrosis leads to balding.

Fix the gut with kefir and raw milk = no more balding. Reduce fibrosis with massage = regrowth.

Personally i've found raw milk gives me lots of big boil like acne (but i am lactose intolerant). Kefir and other fermented foods haven't worked for my previously (or only worked transiently). I agree with the massage, and its good it seems to be accepted now that we need some kind of stimulant on the scalp to promote healing.