I wanted to create a log to monitor my progress and outlining a possibility for my recovery. Gbolduev's explanation helped me a ton to understand my body's reactions and now I think this is the way to go.
Feeling worse or much worse while on the stuff then I experience the snap back!
First of all, my hair test results show that I have:
High potassium: 130 (range 7-80)
Blood test:
low FT3
Progesterone: 1.3nmol/L (0.89-3.88)
low free Testosterone
Estrogen in the middle of the range
Now I want to share why I think what I claim in the title of my topic, If i got proven wrong I gladly change the title.
Tribulus
Correcting the progesterone pathway?
We read a few reports about tribulus curing 2-3 people, I personally had many overnight great recoveries with it while others claimed to develop gyno from it which has happened to me as well if I take high dosage or very potent brands.
The first day when I take it I usually feel an increase in music enjoyment, strength, fuller muscles, more personality, more alpha feeling and motivation. Everything improves even erections but not libido. Then if I continue to take it these improvements leave and I get kinda flat while my digestion starts to recover and stools getting the same shape as pre pfs. But this alpha feeling goes away. During the last cycle I took it for 4-5 consecutive days with schisandra which seems to balance the negative sides from taking trib for days, or maybe I was just taking lower dosage of trib as I took 1/3 of a capsule.
Upon stopping it I expected nothing to happen but 2-3 days later I just felt alpha again, I was full of energy in the gym, increased strength again and music enjoyment.
I kinda felt the same as when I WAS ON FINASTERIDE! My only sides were low libido while on fin.
I believe that tribulus made my progesterone pathway somewhat work again and I felt this improved state for some days before I crash down with the same sides that I got in 2015 when developed pfs after an orgasm. Head pressure, very low motivation, crazy diarrhoea,fatigue etc but now I recover to normal baseline in some days.
I think tribulus does not start up the 3b HSD enzyme. Or I need more cycles for it but very strong erections were returned on the 2-3 alpha days.
While pine pollen
Also makes me feel good on the first day when I take it! Voice deepens, I feel more agressive. From the 2nd day my baseline erections disappear, my little baseline libido disappears and I have to take a nap till I am taking it.
Gbolduev explained how it tanks potassium and kills the 3bHSD if im not mistaken.
3b HSD is used to put back potassium in the cell.
Then I keep taking pine pollen for 3-5 days and stop. I was working at my clinic some days later and when a hot woman walked in and BOOM! I felt the PRE PFS TYPE OF LIBIDO that hits you when you see a sexy leg!
After my tanked potassium my 3b HSD switched back on to put back potassium in my cells???!!?! Thats what I believe.
Unfortunately results did not stick this time either but I just realised what is happening in the last 1-2 weeks and started to understand it. I will have to make cycles and achieve somehow the reults to stick.
Orgasms crash me and gbold explained to me that POIS is very similar to my PFS if not the same.
One more thingshort fasts
Fasting depletes potassium and I did many short fasts during my PFS period. Like 2-4 days of waterfasts. (i did one longer 13 days of water)
When I break the fast my balls drop, my muscles get very hard, I was checking out my hairline again and music was fking enjoyable. Body scent also returned but it only lasted for like a half day!
So my 3b HSD was switched back on again when I was refeeding and putting back potassium in the cells but my f-ed up progesterone pathway does not let me get back to original body chemistry?!:!?!?!
Okay I do not want to write too much, I made this conclusions recently, feel free to add your insight or correction.
Results will speek better, I am planning to start cycling tribulus witch schisandra and adding some acids after coming off with thorne extra.
We will see where I get with this approach, I am optimistic but if its not working out I can still go to the RU/ ella way.
Definitely need to correct my shit progesterone biochem caused by too many orgasms and fin.
Interestingly im the case 1 with high potassium low progesterone and we theorized that pine pollen helps case 2 and RU too but I got this shit feeling on them and the snap back later, so going for results now instead of the theory.
Feeling worse or much worse while on the stuff then I experience the snap back!
First of all, my hair test results show that I have:
High potassium: 130 (range 7-80)
Blood test:
low FT3
Progesterone: 1.3nmol/L (0.89-3.88)
low free Testosterone
Estrogen in the middle of the range
Now I want to share why I think what I claim in the title of my topic, If i got proven wrong I gladly change the title.
Tribulus
Correcting the progesterone pathway?
We read a few reports about tribulus curing 2-3 people, I personally had many overnight great recoveries with it while others claimed to develop gyno from it which has happened to me as well if I take high dosage or very potent brands.
The first day when I take it I usually feel an increase in music enjoyment, strength, fuller muscles, more personality, more alpha feeling and motivation. Everything improves even erections but not libido. Then if I continue to take it these improvements leave and I get kinda flat while my digestion starts to recover and stools getting the same shape as pre pfs. But this alpha feeling goes away. During the last cycle I took it for 4-5 consecutive days with schisandra which seems to balance the negative sides from taking trib for days, or maybe I was just taking lower dosage of trib as I took 1/3 of a capsule.
Upon stopping it I expected nothing to happen but 2-3 days later I just felt alpha again, I was full of energy in the gym, increased strength again and music enjoyment.
I kinda felt the same as when I WAS ON FINASTERIDE! My only sides were low libido while on fin.
I believe that tribulus made my progesterone pathway somewhat work again and I felt this improved state for some days before I crash down with the same sides that I got in 2015 when developed pfs after an orgasm. Head pressure, very low motivation, crazy diarrhoea,fatigue etc but now I recover to normal baseline in some days.
I think tribulus does not start up the 3b HSD enzyme. Or I need more cycles for it but very strong erections were returned on the 2-3 alpha days.
While pine pollen
Also makes me feel good on the first day when I take it! Voice deepens, I feel more agressive. From the 2nd day my baseline erections disappear, my little baseline libido disappears and I have to take a nap till I am taking it.
Gbolduev explained how it tanks potassium and kills the 3bHSD if im not mistaken.
3b HSD is used to put back potassium in the cell.
Then I keep taking pine pollen for 3-5 days and stop. I was working at my clinic some days later and when a hot woman walked in and BOOM! I felt the PRE PFS TYPE OF LIBIDO that hits you when you see a sexy leg!
After my tanked potassium my 3b HSD switched back on to put back potassium in my cells???!!?! Thats what I believe.
Unfortunately results did not stick this time either but I just realised what is happening in the last 1-2 weeks and started to understand it. I will have to make cycles and achieve somehow the reults to stick.
Orgasms crash me and gbold explained to me that POIS is very similar to my PFS if not the same.
One more thingshort fasts
Fasting depletes potassium and I did many short fasts during my PFS period. Like 2-4 days of waterfasts. (i did one longer 13 days of water)
When I break the fast my balls drop, my muscles get very hard, I was checking out my hairline again and music was fking enjoyable. Body scent also returned but it only lasted for like a half day!
So my 3b HSD was switched back on again when I was refeeding and putting back potassium in the cells but my f-ed up progesterone pathway does not let me get back to original body chemistry?!:!?!?!
Okay I do not want to write too much, I made this conclusions recently, feel free to add your insight or correction.
Results will speek better, I am planning to start cycling tribulus witch schisandra and adding some acids after coming off with thorne extra.
We will see where I get with this approach, I am optimistic but if its not working out I can still go to the RU/ ella way.
Definitely need to correct my shit progesterone biochem caused by too many orgasms and fin.
Interestingly im the case 1 with high potassium low progesterone and we theorized that pine pollen helps case 2 and RU too but I got this shit feeling on them and the snap back later, so going for results now instead of the theory.
