FINASTERIDE: PFS MECHANISM (detailed)

[IHateFin]

This is my second day of RU and prog and I have been doing the electrolyte protocol for over two months, and cycling zinc finger ever other day consistently for the last 2 weeks.

This is my 4th cycle of RU, but this is my first time taking progesterone. I don't want to speak to soon because I know how things go up and down but I feel great on prog and ru already. This is probably the best thing I have tried so far and I feel really close to prefin. I just hope it doesn't backfire but I am reaching new highs already.

Hell yeah, man!

 

[IHateFin]

Does gelatin increase bile synthesis? It's good for digestion and helps with reducing 5AR apparently. Could cycling this actually end up being beneficial?

 

[MNK99]

@IHateFin is it good for digestion? I think I tried 'em too early. Gelatin and HCL. I'm sure they'll be much better after 30 days+ of refeeding.

 

[IHateFin]

@IHateFin is it good for digestion? I think I tried those too early. Gelatin and HCL. I'm sure they'll be much better after 30 days+ of refeeding.

all i know is i have not had perfect bowl movements like i do now even prefin. like i go twice a day and they are solid and perf. sometimes ill go 3 times and im like "damn i didnt know i was so full of shit" haha get it? but for reals after taking gelatin for a week poops are amazing and my Randro response is stupid good rn. 4AD may or may not be helping or hurting but its hard to say. all i know is when i started Randro i was still taking gelatin and i stopped on day 3 of Randro and i made stupid muscle gainz and libido gainz after.

 

[Slayo]

Yes i did a dutch test and i found high 5ar (so high dht) and low 5 beta, actually i found many of the stuffs Gbold is talking about like high free cortisol despite low cortisol syntoms (howewer my practitioner believe it's low thyroid the cause, because the metabolised cortisol isn't so high).

I have a question for @gbolduev why did you initially suggest NADPH if with pfs is high ? If NADPH is high, how is possible that i have problems recycling gluthathione (found it in my OAT and also got bad reaction when i tried it) ? I have also low b1, how is possible with low b1 to have high NADPH if PPP isn't working and it is responsible of the 60% of the total production of NADPH ?

 

[Helen]

Yes i did a dutch test and i found high 5ar (so high dht) and low 5 beta, actually i found many of the stuffs Gbold is talking about like high free cortisol despite low cortisol syntoms (howewer my practitioner believe it's low thyroid the cause, because the metabolised cortisol isn't so high).

I have a question for @gbolduev why did you initially suggest NADPH if with pfs is high ? If NADPH is high, how is possible that i have problems recycling gluthathione (found it in my OAT and also got bad reaction when i tried it) ? I have also low b1, how is possible with low b1 to have high NADPH if PPP isn't working and it is responsible of the 60% of the total production of NADPH ?

I suggest low NADP NADPH ratio since oxidative stress is high.

 

[bruschi11]

This is my second day of RU and prog and I have been doing the electrolyte protocol for over two months, and cycling zinc finger ever other day consistently for the last 2 weeks.

This is my 4th cycle of RU, but this is my first time taking progesterone. I don't want to speak to soon because I know how things go up and down but I feel great on prog and ru already. This is probably the best thing I have tried so far and I feel really close to prefin. I just hope it doesn't backfire but I am reaching new highs already.

Man it would be just awesome and easy if this is the easiest way out of this. I did the prog 2-3 weeks after and felt the synergy then. You are the very first guy doing this. I’m so pumped to see how it works out for you man!

 

[Legna88]

I consume ginger in my oatmeal and Greek yogurt breakfast every day. I've never had bowls this perfect. Sometimes I go 2 to 3 times a day now and they are solid and sometimes barely registers wiping haha
Maybe low dose licorice in the morning 2 days a week could be of benefit too

oats are full of prebiotics, manganese, magnesium a bit of copper.. good food... try oat groats!

 

[Helen]

@Slayo

I did not measure NADP to NADPH ratio. It is a theory. I said that 5 alpha is high and 5 beta is low. You cant make DHT without NADPH , 5 alpha works on it.

vitamin b1 , that you measured could be regular form. this is why it is low since you are converting it into the active form

But you are right NADPH and NADP levels I am not sure, it is either low or high ratio. We need to try both.

To recycle glutathione you need a lot more than NADPH. you need FAD

 

[Slayo]

@Slayo

I did not measure NADP to NADPH ratio. It is a theory. I said that 5 alpha is high and 5 beta is low. You cant make DHT without NADPH , 5 alpha works on it.

vitamin b1 , that you measured could be regular form. this is why it is low since you are converting it into the active form

But you are right NADPH and NADP levels I am not sure, it is either low or high ratio. We need to try both.

i tested high for dht and 5 alpha, so i guess my nadph is high (but then my improper gluthathione recycle doesn't make sense), do you suggest that i keep it or should i quit ?

 

[Helen]

@ slayo, you have a hairtest?
You should not be taking supps without a hairtest. since antioxidant systems supplements needed for slow or fast oxidizers are different.

 

[Slayo]

@ slayo, you have a hairtest?
You should not be taking supps without a hairtest. since antioxidant systems supplements needed for slow or fast oxidizers are different.

i have a 6 months old hair test, i posted it in the thread "my hair test and pfs", will do the ARL test in two weeks......the old hair test showed very slow oxidation

 

[IHateFin]

So in theory one could cure themselves by hopping on finasteride again if the dose is low enough to reduce 5AR and and not 5beta so that 5beta can increase?

I could see mixing 30 1mg pills in 30ml of water n taking super small doses that way. Or even a single 1mg pill in 30 ml water n taking 1ml micro doses

I would never try this but this theory leads Me to believe it could work

 

[Snow1]

Man am I glad to see licorice root research, myself being forever a proponent of it.

Remember the one recovery where the guy got better ~3 days after taking licorice root every time he did it!

Man am I glad to see licorice root research, myself being forever a proponent of it.

Remember the one recovery where the guy got better ~3 days after taking licorice root every time he did it!

Funny you say that, I just read his testimonial on CDNUTs website, sounds to good to be true doesn’t it, has anyone else had good success with licorice root? I’m doing cdnuts protocal now and cycling 21 herbs, interested in throwing in some liqorice root for two days to see what happens.

 

[TubZy]

Funny you say that, I just read his testimonial on CDNUTs website, sounds to good to be true doesn’t it, has anyone else had good success with licorice root? I’m doing cdnuts protocal now and cycling 21 herbs, interested in throwing in some liqorice root for two days to see what happens.

Yeah that was champster lol. Funny thing is that licorice root isn't even part of CD's herb rotation as in theory seems counterproductive to his herbs (estrogenic, lowers T etc.), The guy just randomly started taking licorice after seeing a PSSD log on it's relation to adrenaline.

 

[IHateFin]

Yeah that was champster lol. Funny thing is that licorice root isn't even part of CD's herb rotation as in theory seems counterproductive to his herbs (estrogenic, lowers T etc.), The guy just randomly started taking licorice after seeing a PSSD log on it's relation to adrenaline.

What about super small doses once in the morning of the licorice?
A study shows 48 hours later after a single dose bile acids are increased

 

[TubZy]

What about super small doses once in the morning of the licorice?
A study shows 48 hours later after a single dose bile acids are increased

I'm not against licorice at all actually, I was just saying how it came up in relation with that other guy (champy) since it is not one of cd's herbs (it acts in reverse what CD claims the herbs do, i.e. boost T).

Yeah, that could be a good place to start, the champy guy only did it 3 times a day on saturday and sunday. Then the the rest of the week he didn't take it and by like mid week he felt the snapback. There are other logs here as well who used it pretty successfully, I think @expendable @m_arch and also @Ghost did some research on it too.

 

[Snow1]

Yeah that was champster lol. Funny thing is that licorice root isn't even part of CD's herb rotation as in theory seems counterproductive to his herbs (estrogenic, lowers T etc.), The guy just randomly started taking licorice after seeing a PSSD log on it's relation to adrenaline.

yea I messaged cdnuts asking about licorice root in his protocal and he said he doesn’t recommend it. Still tempted tho....

 

[TubZy]

yea I messaged cdnuts asking about licorice root in his protocal and he said he doesn’t recommend it. Still tempted tho....

If you want to, def try it man. @Rid had great success with it as well, check out this log Rid's Log (return to Pre-PFS State and the final stretch)

 

[IHateFin]

I might give licorice a go. I have some ordered, but it would be well after my Randro cycle and I'm going suuuuper conservative. What doses do ppl take? I'm gunna check out rids log