FINASTERIDE SIGNIFICANTLY UPREGULATES ANDROGEN RECEPTOR in this study ( PROTOCOLS and discussions for PFS)

[RebelWithACause]

Haha bro. I get so sleepy on high dose potassium like valium. legs get very sleepy 2 and everything is so slow )))

Why do I get worked up when I take high amount of potassium? You know the reason?

 

[noprop]

@joekool @noprop

I hope you guys realize that 100mg a week is a high dose testosterone for a regular person

regular male makes 4-7 mg a day, so in 7 days, it will be 49 mg which will put you in top range of testosterone levels

If someone is taking 100 a week, that is twice as much as the high end male.


I usually give 20=30 mg to people for TRT and this keeps their test high in blood without much conversion to estro.

100mg is the highest dosage I would say for the TRT, without much conversion into estro.

SO this will make a lot more test and DHT available to downregulate the AR receptor.


Usually people take too much testosterone and get old. I helped some guys who bodybuild and they take perfect dosage of testosterone for their metabolism.

If they take more, then all of them need progesterone right away.

So if you take test, or pinepollen, or anything of taht nature, and you have anxiety and dopamine conversion. You know immediately you are running too much test comparing to progesterone, and this will do nothing for you for bodybuilding. or anything,


Since only in balance sodium potassium ratio= the most power. If the ratio is 2 high, you will just retain water and get old. if the ratio of progesterone to test is too low you will lose too much muscle.


Most people have slighly lower ratio of sodium to potassium. this is why if they take measured test just tiny amounts like 5 a week, or 10 a week, then they will be balanced and they will never ever need PCT. or it will never cause the shut down, but will cause only good things.

THX for this insight. Yeah, 100 mg is max. I wonder if I should go on that to downsentisize receptors? AS I have upsentisized ones. Joekool is the opposite.

 

[Helen]

THX for this insight. Yeah, 100 mg is max. I wonder if I should go on that to downsentisize receptors? AS I have upsentisized ones. Joekool is the opposite.

Joe is taking 100 mg of test a week

 

[noprop]

Literally , the only dude, who I saw had restored his adiol levels on paper. Was the dude who went on letro for 6 months.

going on letro, makes more stuff available for test and DHT and downregulates the AR. Which is upregulated in all 18 people in the study)) that wuf provided,

Letro? What is that? You still have that link?

 

[Helen]

Letro? What is that? You still have that link?

I think it was here. but I am not sure Letrozole clinical trial - Part 1 of 3 - The beginning

 

[noprop]

My body is pretty sensitive to hormones so I know when things are off and when they are improving.

Something is definitely happening hormonally. Like things are trying to switch on.

Hi Troy! Congrats to your progress.
Can you answer some questions as I followed your posts but havent found them yet?
How long were you on pochl and aminos before quitting?
What was your starting and end level of intake of pochl?
When did you take it during a day?
What symptoms improved after stopping?
Anything else beside that what you were taking?
Many THX!

 

[noprop]

Joe is taking 100 mg of test a week

I dont get it. Testo hekps downsentisizing on upregulated rec. But he has downregulated ones. So he rather should starve of testo, right? Why the testo? To reduce the own production of testo?

 

[joekool]

@Troy very good info and results bro! Stick around to keep up the great work!!

@Helen I love ya man but hear me out. The goal is to starve my body of test and upregulate receptors. 100mgs of test enanthate is only 80mgs of test. The rest is the ester. And this is lower than trt as most doctors prescribe about double. Doesn't matter, either way I've seen results quicker at first including the penis leaving the body at 6O'clock all day now and the hourglass hasn't appeared for about 2 months. Plus erection quality and ability has improved. I will describe it all Sunday on a post/new log. I don't agree that my dose is high, nor am I down regulating.
Your suggestion of prog did seem to help release the adrenaline response I now suffer more from than normally and it sensitizes the AR. I do it in 3 week daily cycles followed by one week off, which is this week and some feelings are returning. I'm not sure if this is the cure but I'm hopeful with these results

 

[noprop]

I think it was here. but I am not sure Letrozole clinical trial - Part 1 of 3 - The beginning

Great link. Thats it. Treat your coexistent diseases first. Make analysis.

 

[Helen]

@Troy very good info and results bro! Stick around to keep up the great work!!

@Helen I love ya man but hear me out. The goal is to starve my body of test and upregulate receptors. 100mgs of test enanthate is only 80mgs of test. The rest is the ester. And this is lower than trt as most doctors prescribe about double. Doesn't matter, either way I've seen results quicker at first including the penis leaving the body at 6O'clock all day now and the hourglass hasn't appeared for about 2 months. Plus erection quality and ability has improved. I will describe it all Sunday on a post/new log. I don't agree that my dose is high, nor am I down regulating.
Your suggestion of prog did seem to help release the adrenaline response I now suffer more from than normally and it sensitizes the AR. I do it in 3 week daily cycles followed by one week off, which is this week and some feelings are returning. I'm not sure if this is the cure but I'm hopeful with these results

Dude, I love you too man, but taking 80 mg of test is double the dosage of normal people. And your testosterone is high in blood, and you are downregulating the receptors. ( which are upregulated in all the studies, on the first page and even 18 guys with PFS were tested in the study Wuf provided and all had upregulated AR)



As I already told you the high end of test production for male is 7mg a day. Do the math. Most people who take over that just piss it out.

If you had low test, you would never ever need progesterone. Since you would never had any dopamine to noradrenaline conversion.


How are you stariving your body from testosterone by injecting extra testosterone into it which equals to a double amount of regular male production

PLus you have your own testosterone levels. So on top of your test levels you put more test in. And 100 mg is no where near low number.

You obviously increase estrogen and testosterone with this therapy and we know that estrogen with dht works for PFS.

but you will never be able to keep going without progesterone. You would have anxiety attacks.

taking estrogen plus DHT works for PFS we know that. But it causes hypokalemia.

I do rec people test with progesterone, since on test alone , cant handle it.

As I told you , I give people 20--30 for TRT. Not 300 or 400 like some people do. It is nonsense. that downregulates the body and shuts down the LH

I will give 20-30 to a person and that person will have higher levels of testosterone in blood than a person who takes 200.

Since 200 will cause LH to go down. and the body will just piss the stuff out. And the body will still regulate the testosterone level according to current body chemistry.


Joe. lets say you have 400 level of test in your blood. If you inject test of 100 a week. you level in blood will become higher than 400. and actually a lot higher than 400 , I have no idea why would you think that by injecting double the regular production of test you will have less test than you already had?

when you inject test your body does not shut down your own production LOL Unless you have high test levels. I hope you get that.
So if someone had lets say 200 test. in blood, and they inject 10 mg. Their LH will not even budge anything. Their levels will increase and sometimes LH can even go higher since potassium gets retained more. if the test was very very low, so the body can ask even for more test while injecting test.


Some people by injecting 100-120 mg weekly peak at 1200-1300 testosterone in blood ))

Running in low T state does not involve injecting T))

Is 100mg Test-C per week a decent dose for HRT?


The normal therapy is 75-100 every week, or 150-200 every other week . And I tested people and I found those dosages extremely high. Since they were pissing the stuff out.

The reason is they cant handle this testosterone level without enough NO and NO is made when potassium is high, since NO is duaretic))

this is why the precise dosage of test which is 20mg can raise your test levels in blood higher than 200 dosage))

Since if you have low potassium most of your 200 dosage will get pissed out in the urine.

I think you think that when you take test from the outside your body shuts down your own test production to zero and you run only on test which you are putting in?

This is not how it works. If you had testosterone levels of 400 in blood before testosterone injections, then on 100 mg a week. you will run at 800-850)) depending on your potassium levels, if your potassium levels were high in the cell, then on 100mg of test you will peak at 1300.

And the reason you get dopamine activation is since the test is HIGH. If test was low you would DIE on progesterone LOL


Love your testosterone starvation Joe. You're probably peaking close to my test number in blood now)) 1300 may be. with all the progesterone. you waste zero of that test.

In any case if this works, I am glad, and I hope it sticks. I think it will , since testosterone has 100 anabolic rating, which will downregulate the AR. and after you quit. the body will be using B vitamins more to produce test than to create NADPH oxidase ROS.

The goal of fighting PFS is to keep potassium in the cell. So the body can produce NO. Without potassium there will be no arginine and the AR reception will never work , since without potassium there is no arginine and no estrogen.

So one type of PFS is potassium wasting disorder, since cortisol receptors is overexpressed. Overexperssed cortisol receptor= overexpressed AR. same receptor

This is why progesterone is raised in blood. to conserve the potassium which is wasted by too active cortisol.

No potassium LH is shut down ALWAYS, this is why by taking test you are just bypassin LH


the only thing that bothers me about this is that testosterone and fin do the same things with minerals and going on testosterone is like going back on fin in this study https://ibj.pasteur.ac.ir/article-1-901-en.pdf

I dont know the dosage though, may be the dosage of test was too high for aromatization since I know that estrogen increases insulin, not testosterone.

this is why when people ego on test or on fin, their insulin levels go up and they feel better. Since fin creates steroids diabetes when you get off.))

 

[BeLikeWater]

yes, i will be getting anavar... well technically i already ordered it from russian star peptide so now i just wait for it to come it. ordered it two days ago.
im checking my emails all day to see that beautiful tracking number come in.

remember to save one pill at least for testeing purpouses.

 

[brix]

@Helen if potassium is high on a hair test does that mean potassium is being wasted?

 

[Helen]

@Helen if potassium is high on a hair test does that mean potassium is being wasted?

there are 2 cases of PFS. some cases are shut down because of low potassium and in another case the shut down because of high prolactin

 

[Troy]

Bro this has me rolling! Lol!

Did you actually take the high dose potassium cuz I'm thinking of doing it Monday too haha

Does it feel like cuming?

Be careful with it. As Helen said, too much potassium is dangerous

 

[Walker]

Whatttt smh what happened never heard about that? I crashed and joined like 2 months after.

The whole “estrogen pfs” confuses shit out of me. I feel so bad for Konflict. I don’t know if he’s out there but I had several long talks with him last year. He was in bad shape. He stopped answering texts in January or so. I wish he would respond and we can get him on this site.

@HS and I questioned the extent of his issues......he was claiming to have degenerative joints and muscles, yet was clearly standing and flexing for pictures he took. Not saying the guy wasn't suffering, but to the extent he was talking about, and how he was warning the other new members was clearly concerning. So we confronted him about it, and then not too long after he ended his life. Xptriado, the White Knight of Europe, rode in on his white horse not too long afterward and placed his blood on our hands. Not surprising - a terrible cause always needs a martyr. The sad thing is, QuantumFaith/Blackfox/Douglasmich, was so into home-brew and trying to fix what was wrong with him.....he would have never supported what their cause is now, yet they use his name as some sort of rallying cry.

 

[brix]

there are 2 cases of PFS. some cases are shut down because of low potassium and in another case the shut down because of high prolactin

I fall into the high prolactin. Should this case stay away from potassium then? Which case are you?

 

[IHateFin]

High dose potassium makes me unable to sleep. I did it before. I feel great next day though.

Did you take it in the evening or it just affected you all day?

 

[IHateFin]

remember to save one pill at least for testeing purpouses.

I will! You'll just have to help me out on where n how to send to send it

 

[Troy]

Did you take it in the evening or it just affected you all day?

Is this your experience from when you had pfs or after pfs but with the testosterone issues? Or both?

 

[IHateFin]

Is this your experience from when you had pfs or after pfs but with the testosterone issues? Or both?

I still have PFS. A lot better now but it was a few months ago or longer maybe like 5 months when I tried a biggish dose of potassium.