GUYS we need a couple of people with high DHT, and low DHT measure FREE DHT levels

[RebelWithACause]

Dutch testing website said to me:

Free testosterone is formula with SHBG, Albumin and Total Testosterone. They are asking me what the formula is for Free DHT. If I can give this to them they can test for it.

 

[RebelWithACause]

They told me they measure DHT directly. Which is not free DHT I assume.

 

[Helen]

They told me they measure DHT directly. Which is not free DHT I assume.

probably also with SHBG and Albumin for DHT

 

[Helen]

Tried converting those values to pg/ml. Does not seem right.

View attachment 1348

When the range for free DHT is 1.0 to 6.2 pg/ml

free testosterone is not free DHT

 

[wuf]

@Helen
Just received this.
Upper chart shows normal values, downside charts, patients' values.
Downside there are 3 chats of 3 different patients to be compared with the upper charts that is the NORMAL values.
In the 3 downside charts, there is the age of the patients: 44 44 32

 

[wuf]

@Helen
now you have 5 results.

 

[wuf]

I think these converters are fucked up or I do not understand them. When I convert my total testosterone from 22.2 nmol/L to ug/l I get: 13.272 ug/l

Then I convert it back to nmol/L and I get a different result. WTF.

Cause you are a F*** PFS brain fogged MAN!!)))))

 

[barbaar]

OK I recalculated it:

Free DHT: 4 pg/ml

Free progesterone: 2 pg/ml

Free estrogen: 1 pg/ml

I think this is right. I used my bloodwork from October.

I used this formula: Freies Testosteron then converted it to pg/ml.

Example of DHT conversion/formula:

I converted the 0.74 nmol/L to ug/L which is 0.296 ug/L

View attachment 1350

Then convert 0.004 ug/L to pg/ml which is 4.0 pg/ml.

Did the same with the other measurements (estradiol, progesterone). I hope this helps.

I'm not sure if you can use this formula as is for other hormones as they might not bind to albumin and shbg at the same rates.

Sci-Hub | A novel spreadsheet method for calculating the free serum concentrations of testosterone, dihydrotestosterone, estradiol, estrone and cortisol: With illustrative examples from male and female populations. Steroids, 74(6), 512–519 | 10.1016/j.steroids.2009.01.008

Here they present a method for calculating free hormone values from the total values and albumin and shbg, and they use different association constants for the different hormones.

 

[RebelWithACause]

I'm not sure if you can use this formula as is for other hormones as they might not bind to albumin and shbg at the same rates.

Sci-Hub | A novel spreadsheet method for calculating the free serum concentrations of testosterone, dihydrotestosterone, estradiol, estrone and cortisol: With illustrative examples from male and female populations. Steroids, 74(6), 512–519 | 10.1016/j.steroids.2009.01.008

Here they present a method for calculating free hormone values from the total values and albumin and shbg, and they use different association constants for the different hormones.

Ah I see. Good point. Yea I think the conversions I did are useless.

 

[Admiral]

@dante

This is a the reason why TEI makes you feel bad. since they are doing things to the brain, which makes the rest of the body even more deficient,

like lets say they know you are copper toxic in the brain, they will cause copper deficiency all over the body, trying to chelate copper out of the brain.

so you suffer greatly , and then when you quit the program. your brain copper lowers , and estrogen goes up which brings copper all over the body


so less copper toxic in the brain you are. the more copper can be deliverd to cell all over the body.


and all the studies, and linear people dont get that.

Few questions if you don't mind..

I've been reading up on ARL and TEI for some time now, even nearly having finished four cycles, but never do they mention a snap back or that you'll see improvements once you've quit. All the information I've gathered say you feel better, layer by layer, while on cycle. It could take years, but in the end you could quit as your body has acclimated.

And.. how does ARL/TEI see that you copper toxic in the brain? I know some of the ratio's they look at to determine if you are copper toxic or not, even hidden signs, but how can they see copper toxicity in the brain?


Also kinda spooked about this tidbit:

This is why people get impatient on TEI. they dont understand that TEI will always make you feel bad. but NOTHING can fix you no hormones, nothing, besides regulating brain and tissue minerals.

.. how do you explain all the other recoveries using hormones and other methods? I think I've misinterpreted you here, but just want to be clear..

 

[bruschi11]

Few questions if you don't mind..

I've been reading up on ARL and TEI for some time now, even nearly having finished four cycles, but never do they mention a snap back or that you'll see improvements once you've quit. All the information I've gathered say you feel better, layer by layer, while on cycle. It could take years, but in the end you could quit as your body has acclimated.

And.. how does ARL/TEI see that you copper toxic in the brain? I know some of the ratio's they look at to determine if you are copper toxic or not, even hidden signs, but how can they see copper toxicity in the brain?


Also kinda spooked about this tidbit:


.. how do you explain all the other recoveries using hormones and other methods? I think I've misinterpreted you here, but just want to be clear..

They say they build you up layer by layer and to stay on program because they want to sell you supplements. Everyone has the $$$$ symbol in mind. Holistic health, mainstream medicine... those that are making money aren’t searching for what is best for the human being.

Here we can do our bests basically as buddies as we learn how to optimize the human being from here and beyond the pfs we all will beat. Good stuff ahead here.

(Says guy in the midst of fasting 50+ days within 80 day time period whilst injecting his own urine amongst other weirdo hackstasis type things).

 

[BeLikeWater]

Guys lets have our DHT rulling again in CNS!

 

[RebelWithACause]

Few questions if you don't mind..

I've been reading up on ARL and TEI for some time now, even nearly having finished four cycles, but never do they mention a snap back or that you'll see improvements once you've quit. All the information I've gathered say you feel better, layer by layer, while on cycle. It could take years, but in the end you could quit as your body has acclimated.

And.. how does ARL/TEI see that you copper toxic in the brain? I know some of the ratio's they look at to determine if you are copper toxic or not, even hidden signs, but how can they see copper toxicity in the brain?


Also kinda spooked about this tidbit:


.. how do you explain all the other recoveries using hormones and other methods? I think I've misinterpreted you here, but just want to be clear..

I am guessing for the average Joe who has no big issues you will get better on the cycle and while off it since the body is not fighting your mineral intake. (as much) Their diet and lifestyle is imbalanced which the minerals will fix.

In PFS your body probably does not want to change anything because this would kill you if done all at once is what I am guessing. The body protects itself at all cost. So you take minerals and the body will fight against it from day 1. It will make you feel bad because it does not want you to do this.

Another thing is anything that changes your hormones a bit in PFS seems to have a big effect. For example I took a micro-dose of arimidex (under 0.25mg) and I felt like I crashed my estrogen for weeks. While other people can take up to 1 mg per week or more. And if they do get too low it will be back within a week, max two weeks.

I think in this state your body is very delicate and it has found a way to protect itself.

First cycle on TEI I felt shitty from day 1. Same for this cycle. While other non-PFS people who do TEI or ARL do not seem to feel like crap from day 1. They still have libido, etc.

 

[wuf]

Here one more.
Be careful about the unit size of the test.

 

[Sawsides]

yeah you can run it. but you are on hormones and feeling good.

i would like someone who is bad to run this so we understand this better.

But yes, if you could please run this also.

Testosterone, Total, LC/MS 365 (ng/dL)Reference Range Adult Males>18 years 264 - 916
Free Testosterone(Direct)12.5 Reference range 7.2-24.0 (pg/mL)
Estradiol 13.1. Reference range 7.6-42.6 (pg/mL)
Progesterone0.30. Reference range 0-0.5 (ng/mL)
LH4.6. Reference range 1.7-8.6 (mIU/mL)F
FSH7.8. Reference range 1.5-12.4 (mIU/mL
Dihydrotestosterone 21 (ng/dL) Referene range 30-80
SBGH 16 range 10-80
DHT, Free 3.99 (pg/mL) Reference range 2.3-11.6
Vitamin B1 whole blood165.7 Reference range 66.5-200.0 (nmol/L)
Vitamin B2, Whole Blood168 Reference range 137-370 (ug/L)

My labs both total and free and @Helen I am pretty bad lol

 

[wuf]

My labs both total and free and @Helen I am pretty bad lol

What does it mean that total DHT is under range and free DHT is in range??