How to lower sky high calcium?

[Blue88]

Any advice on how to lower very high calcium?

 

[Canari]

Do you have this from hair test? How are your ratios with other minerals? I think the 1st step is to know what ratio is affected by high calcium maybe? Then, do we need to lower calcium, really? Or up the other mineral?

My highest Ca ratio is Ca/K and second is Ca/P, but my calcium is not high in the reference range. Do I have to up my K and P? Seems so, as my K, and even more my P, are in the lower part of the reference range.

Will my K and P go up if I eat more of them? I remember it can be adaptive, so I am not sure...

Ca/K should be maxi 6,20 and I have 14,67...

 

[Nina]

Copper increases calcium levels so, lower copper is lower calcium.

 

[Blue88]

Hi, thanks for coming back. Here's a link to my hair test: https://www.hackstasis.com/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=192

 

[Orion]

m_arch posted this pic of the mineral interactions: https://imgur.com/a/4Ebr5

Looks like Iron, Manganese, and Potassium drive calcium down. Copper, Zinc, Magnesium drive it up, you could experiment with this. But this could effect other minerals... short tests, gbolduev mentions not using minerals long term.

 

[Helen]

m_arch posted this pic of the mineral interactions: https://imgur.com/a/4Ebr5

Looks like Iron, Manganese, and Potassium drive calcium down. Copper, Zinc, Magnesium drive it up, you could experiment with this. But this could effect other minerals... short tests, gbolduev mentions not using minerals long term.

He was using hormones like vitamin D , needs to retest without all of this. And check serum calcium. It does not look like this calcium depends on metabolic rate here. It looks like it is created artificially.

this is the hard part of hairtests. if people take supplements it is all screwed up. It takes ARL at least 6 months to figure them out, since when they start the program , usually the program is wrong. since ARL did not know what they were taking

 

[Blue88]

Thanks, guys. Taking a month off shops. Retesting early Jan, plus blood tests for calcium, prolactin and PTH.

If it is hyperparathyroidism, what is the treatment? I have read surgery is the only option.

 

[jaa]

m_arch posted this pic of the mineral interactions: https://imgur.com/a/4Ebr5

Looks like Iron, Manganese, and Potassium drive calcium down. Copper, Zinc, Magnesium drive it up, you could experiment with this. But this could effect other minerals... short tests, gbolduev mentions not using minerals long term.

He was using hormones like vitamin D , needs to retest without all of this. And check serum calcium. It does not look like this calcium depends on metabolic rate here. It looks like it is created artificially.

this is the hard part of hairtests. if people take supplements it is all screwed up. It takes ARL at least 6 months to figure them out, since when they start the program , usually the program is wrong. since ARL did not know what they were taking

Should people who live at high latitudes not take vitamin d in the winter? If not, why should they do to counteract the lack of sunlight?

 

[TeslaFan]

m_arch posted this pic of the mineral interactions: https://imgur.com/a/4Ebr5

Looks like Iron, Manganese, and Potassium drive calcium down. Copper, Zinc, Magnesium drive it up, you could experiment with this. But this could effect other minerals... short tests, gbolduev mentions not using minerals long term.

He was using hormones like vitamin D , needs to retest without all of this. And check serum calcium. It does not look like this calcium depends on metabolic rate here. It looks like it is created artificially.

this is the hard part of hairtests. if people take supplements it is all screwed up. It takes ARL at least 6 months to figure them out, since when they start the program , usually the program is wrong. since ARL did not know what they were taking

Thank you for pointing out that "vitamin" D is like hormone. I would add, it IS a hormone. No idea when and where it got classified as a vitamin. It is made in the body from cholesterol, under appropriate conditions. By no definition of a vitamin can it be one, and by every definition of a hormone, it is one. I don't think it should be supplemented, unless a person is a burn victim that lost most of their skin.

 

[mattyb]

Thank you for pointing out that "vitamin" D is like hormone. I would add, it IS a hormone. No idea when and where it got classified as a vitamin. It is made in the body from cholesterol, under appropriate conditions. By no definition of a vitamin can it be one, and by every definition of a hormone, it is one. I don't think it should be supplemented, unless a person is a burn victim that lost most of their skin.

You are very right. Read the prelude to "Handbook of Vitamins, Minerals and Hormones" by Kutsky. He talks about how, in reality, there is little difference between an active vitamin and hormone - a vitamin is only designated as such if it requires some kind of exogenous precursor to make it, but functionally all active vitamins are hormones.

I do think supplementing vitamin D can be useful in very specific situations though, particularly when sunlight is unavailable for long stretches of time. If someone can't retain calcium, doesn't have access to sunlight, and is suffering the effects of low calcium, then it can be useful. An RCT was just published showing that it can be used in people with sleep disorders (poor sleep latency, trouble staying asleep, trouble waking too early). Forcing calcium out of the extracellular medium and into bone can decrease the action of catecholamines in people that have excess production or excess sensitivity. My girlfriend has a super fast metabolism and a very stressful career and has had sleep problems for a long time (alongside a family history of early onset osteoperosis), and she benefits a lot from vitamin D supplementation in winter to help her sleep (likewise from sun in summer).

 

[jaa]

You are very right. Read the prelude to "Handbook of Vitamins, Minerals and Hormones" by Kutsky. He talks about how, in reality, there is little difference between an active vitamin and hormone - a vitamin is only designated as such if it requires some kind of exogenous precursor to make it, but functionally all active vitamins are hormones.

I do think supplementing vitamin D can be useful in very specific situations though, particularly when sunlight is unavailable for long stretches of time. If someone can't retain calcium, doesn't have access to sunlight, and is suffering the effects of low calcium, then it can be useful. An RCT was just published showing that it can be used in people with sleep disorders (poor sleep latency, trouble staying asleep, trouble waking too early). Forcing calcium out of the extracellular medium and into bone can decrease the action of catecholamines in people that have excess production or excess sensitivity. My girlfriend has a super fast metabolism and a very stressful career and has had sleep problems for a long time (alongside a family history of early onset osteoperosis), and she benefits a lot from vitamin D supplementation in winter to help her sleep (likewise from sun in summer).

Along with that vitamin d and sleep study I've also seen a new one bouncing around that claims that the old studies that came up for the vit d RDA had underestimated the amounts by an order of magnitude due to some methodological flaw.

Do you think vitamin d supplementation would be useful for someone like me who is coming off a high calcium diet and has to endure a canadian winter?