I will not lose

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[IHateFin]

http://www.blueskypeptide.com/gnrh-triptorelin-100mcg.html

ive used this source and can confirm its 100% legit. tripto is SUPER easy to get man.
well normally guys who run massive cycles will take like 4 to 6 months to recover naturaly, but i dont think its full recoveries.

thats actually pretty normal estrogen. so you have normal estrogen levels yet your test is very low? thats not a good combo. should have high test with this kind of estrogen.

 

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Yeah man I'm telling it won't do much. Plus if you get sides from clomid like the classic emotional sides it will not be a good time

 

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[Canari]

Testosterone is 250-350 ish Estradiol at 120 is around 33 pg/ml. I think 87 is around 23 and 146 is like 39.
Dr. Crisler said there is no way they can jump like this

What? How can he say this, you have the numbers, so it means it is possible in real world, but not in his theory!

 

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Yeah man I'm telling it won't do much. Plus if you get sides from clomid like the classic emotional sides it will not be a good time

Gbolduev got cured from clomid, so it can be a way to cure PFS.
Just using his tips.

 

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Yeah man I'm telling it won't do much. Plus if you get sides from clomid like the classic emotional sides it will not be a good time

Gbolduev got cured from clomid, so it can be a way to cure PFS.
Just using his tips.

I don’t understand why clomid wouldn’t work for this. Bodybuilders use it as their main pct after nandrolone based cycles.

It raises all your main hormones. Estrogen will skyrocket which in gbold’s theory is good ultimately for dht.

Clomid and taurine should effectively raise your androgens and get everything working again. Why does it not work for pfs?

 

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Yeah man I'm telling it won't do much. Plus if you get sides from clomid like the classic emotional sides it will not be a good time

Gbolduev got cured from clomid, so it can be a way to cure PFS.
Just using his tips.

I don’t understand why clomid wouldn’t work for this. Bodybuilders use it as their main pct after nandrolone based cycles.

It raises all your main hormones. Estrogen will skyrocket which in gbold’s theory is good ultimately for dht.

Clomid and taurine should effectively raise your androgens and get everything working again. Why does it not work for pfs?

ive used clomid several times by its self and the benefits are temperary, joekool used gboldevs exact protocol and modestly improved. ive seen coutless clomid trials on propecia help and its usally the first treatment option explored yet no one really claims being cured. if taking clomid would do it than we would all be cured. a pct for a standard cycle is vastly different then with us whos bodies have a wrecked progesterone n dht balance.

it may give you some relief, but it may not cure you. its an old method and i just feel we hae far superior options to try than clomid which everyone and their mother with PFS has tried at one point.

i also believe that the cortisol blocking is hugely beneficial too. Ru has been shown to upregulate the HPA and cure dysfuctions in said Axis by its self and this is all due to the way it blocks cortisol.

 

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If it never works then why do guys like Dr. Crisler still recommend it?

Our treatments now that are proposed in the forums are super experimental I find. Possibly could make things worse I feel.

that's a good question.

Chemotheropy doesn't work as its about 3% effective at treating cancer yet doctors still recommend it.
antidepressants don't work and give ppl PSSd yet doctors still recommend it.

lol my point is just cuz a doctor recommends something doesn't mean anything. doctors prescribe finasteride n dutasteride all the time and it destroys lives.
I personally don't take doctors advice and if I do I take it with a grain of salt n do my own research on it first and even then 90% of the time I do my own thing.

the last endo I talked to claimed finasteride doesn't mess with hormones and he wouldn't listen to me. he also claimed herbs don't do anything since theyre natural and natural substances don't help. then I saw another endo that was much more receptive to the info I had to give, but placed me on clomid and thyroid medicine even tho my thyroid TSH was 1.5. needless to say I didn't take either med that was prescribed and I didn't even go pick up the script at the pharmacy.

 

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My point is doctors are recommending a conventional treatment option to conventional hypogondism and that's not at all what PFS is. It's so much more complex than that.
PFS, PSSD and post accutane are conditions that are not well understood in the medical space so it's not best to use a conventional protocol method for something that is so much more complex.
I'm not trying to be a negative Nancy cuz I wanna see my boy p_stashio cured along with everyone else on this forum, but I just wanna be realistic when it comes to clomid.
If you take it and you're cured even after quitting it than that is amazing and I'm happy for you, but I also wanna prepare you and let you know that the odds are against you on this one.

I do still hope it helps ya out, bud

 

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Is anyone from this forum located in Canada?

I am. whatsup?

 

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So IHateFin do you think a lot of us weren’t hypogonadal before fin and somehow progesterone pathway or estrogen or something is inhibiting testosterone production.

Or do you think I had low T and high DHT. And when the DHT flooded back it fucked the shit out of my androgen receptors or something and now I am screwed.

I just don’t wanna get worse. Only better so trying a bunch of experimental stuff is worrisome. Also with my job I am on a serious timeline before I lose it and I can’t be on drugs forever. I need to figure something out.

TRT seems like the most stable for me but it doesn’t seem to work in a lot of guys. I might do a 3 month trial. See if it works and then PCT the shit out of it if I don’t feel good at the end of it and want to restart. I’m already low FSH LH and testosterone so it would be that huge of a deal lol.

damn man so much at stake here man, honestly I would feel horrible if I gave you advice that for some reason cost you your dream job, bro. I don't wanna do that to you or carry that on my shoulders man so im hesitant now to detract you from what the docs told you.

I do not think any of us were hypogondal before fin cuz if we were the changes we experienced would be mild and not night life wrecking day n night changes. any doctor that thinks PFS only causes side effects in those whom are "predisposed" to be hypgondal is a LOAD of shit and any doc that says this deserves to be castrated or slapped... lol one of the two. sorry I get passionate about this stuff and how ignorant doctors can be.
PFS is 100% a screw up in the progesterone pathway, bro and I wish you were at the previous forum to see all the studies and info [mention]gbolduev[/mention] showed us to indicate that's what is going on.
the DHT flooding back played role too from the shock of having these high androgens all of a sudden and since the body uses progesterone to keep andorgens and estrogens balanced (all a bunch of checks and balanced) its possible that this caused a feedback loop that skyrocketed in over compensation or production of progesterone which would have also inhibited your lh and FSH greatly as well which reduced your DHT and TEST and then with less test n DHT less progesterone was made and now here you are.. aha

TRT usually makes us PFS sufferes worse, but I have heard of those flooding them selfs with DHT and coming off with PCT or other protocols and it helping, but taking DHT is different than TRT as you will need to source steroids from the dark web to do this.
I know the other methods seem scary, but we all have done our homework and are very confident in them and no one has failed to feel at least above baseline from taking them.

ru and ella would be the easiest since you take RU at 10mg for 3 days and youre done! ella is going through trials for 5 days. in n out and see how you feel. SUPER safe and not risky.
think about it this way; youre at rock bottom now, youre not going to get worse. clomid also requires months of treatment and more months post treatment to asses what it did and if it helped.
Ru and ELLA take less than 1 week to try and get all the benefits out of.

its up to you, man. again I don't wanna suggest something that jeopardizes your job, but just take a step back n look at what I have said and what gbold has said n really consider your next move.

 

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