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So progesterone cream does the opposite of ru 486?

How come some guys have recovered with progesterone cream? I was thinking of applying a bit of that and seeing how that goes. See how I feel. Maybe test the waters there first. This shit is so fucked man. I am really starting to gain weight I feel and my dick doesn’t work very well. Mentally I feel positive but seriously tired of this shit.

You guys have no hope that our bodies can reverse this stuff? Look at guys that take straight deca for roid cycles. Deca is a progestin and it screws with the progesterone pathway too but guys recover from this with a PCT too or even just time.

This is why this stuff is so confusing lol.

I don't know what deca cycles you be following, but deca cycles are hard af to PCT for this purpose. gbold suggested a deca like pct to us which was his clomid plus cabergoline or taurine.

I couldn't tell you for sure how progesterone helps as yes it is the opposite of ru. we theorize that it helps only those who have prog receptors that need to be downregulated so the extra prog will do this. I also theorize that its due to some kind of triggered feed back loop when you take more prog which causes a snap back when you come off. you could try it.

 

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R Andro arrived today. I might try a couple tabs tonight. See how I feel in the AM. Haha. Maybe I’ll be cured!

Also, why on the container does it say a PCT is required after use of this product?

im not using a pct since im hoping for a snap back, but since you're taking clomid after Randro theres your pct lol

 

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[Canari]

The last I’d say is mental, I don’t really feel like myself but that’s probably because my confidence is shaken and I’ve lost the ability to eat, drink, and do whatever the fuck I want with zero consequences.
But I’ll update how the whole acupuncture thing goes.

Acupuncture will help, sometimes it needs time, and also a good practitioner. I bet you have chosen carefully, or know him or her already.

Pistacho, this is not mental.

Read what I posted, some were for you. You are globally right, but it is not mental, it is from the autonomic nervous system that is shaken because your body has been hurt and your defense system has been triggered, and then you have reached a point where your body, and not you mentally only, is feeling not successful enough. Your title indicate that the defense mostly involved is more fight than flight, and it is also reflected in some other posts with anger after doctors who do not help you enough. fight and anger are related, and they trigger some body and physiological responses. If you ease this, you will fight better and your body will be more apt to use its immune system and endocrine system. I am 100% sure about all what I state because it is my field and I studied it. And more than study with my head, I need it and I feel it....

 

[Snow1]

R Andro arrived today. I might try a couple tabs tonight. See how I feel in the AM. Haha. Maybe I’ll be cured!

Also, why on the container does it say a PCT is required after use of this product?

im not using a pct since im hoping for a snap back, but since you're taki

ng clomid after Randro theres your pct lol

What's pct? And how much r-andro do people take? I have
Some super r-andro in the fridge ready to rock and roll, 3
Bottles actually. Should we be taking the recommended dose of 100-200mg a day or triple it? [mention]joekool[/mention] mentioned I should ramp it up and take 600mg daily for 30 days - would that turn me into the Incredible Hulk and make me turn green?

Should we take pct (what ever that is) or co-factors after the 30 day cycle? [mention]TubZy[/mention] mentioned co-factors after r-andro a while back.

 

[joekool]

Hey snow1, pct is Post Cycle Therapy. Many times after taking pro hormones or steroids, you have to take something to kickstart your own testosterone production "post cycle"... Randro doesn't shut most ppl down but clomid can be used post cycle regardless.

I suggested a higher dose and will be using minimum 400mg again. I went as high as 600 and it helped.

Two reasons here. One, the companies recommended dosage is to avoid any safety issues and lawsuits. But that 1 pill twice a day is BS. Even non Pfs sufferers use 400mg minimum which brings me to point 2. I say higher like 400 to 600, others have gone to 900mg/day, because we need to overcome a insensitivity to dht. I benefited from 400 to 600 so I suggest those dosages.

 

[wuf]

Hey snow1, pct is Post Cycle Therapy. Many times after taking pro hormones or steroids, you have to take something to kickstart your own testosterone production "post cycle"... Randro doesn't shut most ppl down but clomid can be used post cycle regardless.

I suggested a higher dose and will be using minimum 400mg again. I went as high as 600 and it helped.

Two reasons here. One, the companies recommended dosage is to avoid any safety issues and lawsuits. But that 1 pill twice a day is BS. Even non Pfs sufferers use 400mg minimum which brings me to point 2. I say higher like 400 to 600, others have gone to 900mg/day, because we need to overcome a insensitivity to dht. I benefited from 400 to 600 so I suggest those dosages.

Did you get any sticked improvements from it...
Always remember that every exogenous hormones is supressive, even if R Andro is slow/mild suppressive, it is suppressive anyway.
Just info to make you to be sure you are conscious of this.

 

[joekool]

Hey wuf I truly did feel improvements that stuck from Randro. I did a much longer cycle at a fairly high daily dose. I used clomid because I know if it's suppression at the cycle length I did. 30 days is typically ok and the body typically bounces back on its own quickly. Still, i never had a bad clomid cycle so I know it doesn't hurt post any length of a Randro cycle.

 

[IHateFin]

R Andro arrived today. I might try a couple tabs tonight. See how I feel in the AM. Haha. Maybe I’ll be cured!

Also, why on the container does it say a PCT is required after use of this product?

im not using a pct since im hoping for a snap back, but since you're taki

ng clomid after Randro theres your pct lol

What's pct? And how much r-andro do people take? I have
Some super r-andro in the fridge ready to rock and roll, 3
Bottles actually. Should we be taking the recommended dose of 100-200mg a day or triple it? @joekool mentioned I should ramp it up and take 600mg daily for 30 days - would that turn me into the Incredible Hulk and make me turn green?

Should we take pct (what ever that is) or co-factors after the 30 day cycle? @TubZy mentioned co-factors after r-andro a while back.

is this stuff supposed to be in the fridge? cuz mine isnt haha i hope thats not bad.

i take 400mg a day n may bump it up at some point, but ill probs stick to the 400mg. if you wanted to hit 600mg and hulk out :mrgreen: i would say go for it, but i think someone on here took 400mg then bumped to 600mg and it made them kind of sleepy n overly hungry, but we all have different thresholds.

i dont think post cycle therapy is needed for this stuff as i dont believe androsterone which is 5 alpha reduced DHEA is not suppressive, but if it is i would see it suppressing the adrenal glands before it shuts down the HPTA.

i think if you get thorne extra nutrients you dont have to worry about taking cofactors seperatly as they are all in there along with a shit ton of other vitamins. thats what i use and i take only 1 pill of thorn extra like every few days even though the full dose is 6 pills a day. i have a solid diet so i dont need to take all 6 pills.

 

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