Ihatefin log

[wuf]

IHATEFIN, man, you are running such dirty trials. You cant report to people your improvements while you are on stuff. It makes no sense. I think we need to agree to report things only after cycles. Newcomers look at guys taking stuff reporting good results and then jump on different things thinking it is good. Come off of all stuff and then report. If you feel good on something. that means it wont work normally.

I talked to Scenes , only now his snap back started on RU it has been 2 weeks. Snap back from RU will take 2 months. Body tanks potassium and retains zinc instead , it takes time. and you cant finish ru cycle and just start taking different stuff.


First time when you ran RU, you also took cofactors and progesterone. Scene told me that now after ru when he takes cofactors he is improving and zinc not castrating him anymore.

We need to figure out what substance is for which cases. Now we know that Ella does really good for PSSD people. But it could be not good for PFS.

MattyB is right, we need to get more structured otherwise we wont figure everything out.

I 100% agree with gbolduev.
I have also been on that rush situation of keeping trying and trying stuffs all over the time.. I just messed up my body even more.
Just imagine that even people who recovers naturally from finasteride, normally they take time, mouths.
The body needs time to restore.
I think keeping trying all over is more a psicological issue that need to be controlled and replaced with rational actions.

I'm glad you have come around to seeing the results takes times and is not instant like you claimed a few days ago biatch.

Well you are right, I have contraddicted myself in this way... I agree that results and snap back take times.

 

[Snell1234]

I 100% agree with gbolduev.
I have also been on that rush situation of keeping trying and trying stuffs all over the time.. I just messed up my body even more.
Just imagine that even people who recovers naturally from finasteride, normally they take time, mouths.
The body needs time to restore.
I think keeping trying all over is more a psicological issue that need to be controlled and replaced with rational actions.

I'm glad you have come around to seeing the results takes times and is not instant like you claimed a few days ago biatch.

Well you are right, I have contraddicted myself in this way... I agree that results and snap back take times.

All good, I hope you can get better boy.

Why don't you mega dose the pine pollen powder and do the tincture with it for 6 weeks. You may be pleasantly surprised.

 

[wuf]

I'm glad you have come around to seeing the results takes times and is not instant like you claimed a few days ago biatch.

Well you are right, I have contraddicted myself in this way... I agree that results and snap back take times.

All good, I hope you can get better boy.

Why don't you mega dose the pine pollen powder and do the tincture with it for 6 weeks. You may be pleasantly surprised.

I used Pine Pollen two times separately. Both times it gave me super anxious and weak erections so I immediatelly dropped it.
Right now I am on potassium,zinc,b6,nad,magnesium as gbolduev suggested and I feel energized on it and feeling better, so I will keep on it for a while at this moment.

 

[Snell1234]

Well you are right, I have contraddicted myself in this way... I agree that results and snap back take times.

All good, I hope you can get better boy.

Why don't you mega dose the pine pollen powder and do the tincture with it for 6 weeks. You may be pleasantly surprised.

I used Pine Pollen two times separately. Both times it gave me super anxious and weak erections so I immediatelly dropped it.
Right now I am on potassium,zinc,b6,nad,magnesium as gbolduev suggested and I feel energized on it and feeling better, so I will keep on it for a while at this moment.

That means the pine pollen is working. It increased my anxiety something chronic and made my erections worse. But I kept at it. But yes keep sticking with that protocol if that is what gbol told you.

 

[wuf]

All good, I hope you can get better boy.

Why don't you mega dose the pine pollen powder and do the tincture with it for 6 weeks. You may be pleasantly surprised.

I used Pine Pollen two times separately. Both times it gave me super anxious and weak erections so I immediatelly dropped it.
Right now I am on potassium,zinc,b6,nad,magnesium as gbolduev suggested and I feel energized on it and feeling better, so I will keep on it for a while at this moment.

That means the pine pollen is working. It increased my anxiety something chronic and made my erections worse. But I kept at it. But yes keep sticking with that protocol if that is what gbol told you.

So pine pollen had the same effect for you in terms of worsening your symptoms and than snap back?

 

[IHateFin]

IHATEFIN, man, you are running such dirty trials. You cant report to people your improvements while you are on stuff. It makes no sense. I think we need to agree to report things only after cycles. Newcomers look at guys taking stuff reporting good results and then jump on different things thinking it is good. Come off of all stuff and then report. If you feel good on something. that means it wont work normally.

I talked to Scenes , only now his snap back started on RU it has been 2 weeks. Snap back from RU will take 2 months. Body tanks potassium and retains zinc instead , it takes time. and you cant finish ru cycle and just start taking different stuff.


First time when you ran RU, you also took cofactors and progesterone. Scene told me that now after ru when he takes cofactors he is improving and zinc not castrating him anymore.

We need to figure out what substance is for which cases. Now we know that Ella does really good for PSSD people. But it could be not good for PFS.

MattyB is right, we need to get more structured otherwise we wont figure everything out.

yeah youre right. the improvements im feeling could be due to ru finally making changes after i stopped but would be impossible to tell now with what i am now taking. ill only update this thread what im feeling after this is all said and done trial wise.

 

[Snell1234]

I used Pine Pollen two times separately. Both times it gave me super anxious and weak erections so I immediatelly dropped it.
Right now I am on potassium,zinc,b6,nad,magnesium as gbolduev suggested and I feel energized on it and feeling better, so I will keep on it for a while at this moment.

That means the pine pollen is working. It increased my anxiety something chronic and made my erections worse. But I kept at it. But yes keep sticking with that protocol if that is what gbol told you.

So pine pollen had the same effect for you in terms of worsening your symptoms and than snap back?

Correct.

 

[IHateFin]

Re: REALLY DIRTY TRIALS

<t>Didn't some guy take inositol and Ella with PSSD whom got cured? <br/>
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I'm trying to keep it as clean as possible but I had a little gyno flare up from prog antagonism. Which is good and bad haha good that my estrogen got more sensitive and the ru worked! But now I have a little gyno cuz dht didn't kick in due to the longer ru trial.<br/>
I had to put some topical dht on my nip yes my one nipple lol other one has no gyno. <br/>
It reduced haha</t>

 

[wuf]

Re: REALLY DIRTY TRIALS

<r><QUOTE author="IHateFin" post_id="2185" time="1508548033" user_id="48"><s>

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Didn't some guy take inositol and Ella with PSSD whom got cured? <br/>
<br/>
I'm trying to keep it as clean as possible but I had a little gyno flare up from prog antagonism. Which is good and bad haha good that my estrogen got more sensitive and the ru worked! But now I have a little gyno cuz dht didn't kick in due to the longer ru trial.<br/>
I had to put some topical dht on my nip yes my one nipple lol other one has no gyno. <br/>
It reduced haha
<e>

</e></QUOTE>

Isn't gyno a consequence of high prolactin and not of estrogens as gbolduev claims?<br/>
Maybe keeping that under control can work?</r>

 

[IHateFin]

Re: REALLY DIRTY TRIALS

<r><QUOTE author="wuf" post_id="2190" time="1508550598" user_id="65"><s>

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<QUOTE author="IHateFin" post_id="2185" time="1508548033" user_id="48"><s>

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Didn't some guy take inositol and Ella with PSSD whom got cured? <br/>
<br/>
I'm trying to keep it as clean as possible but I had a little gyno flare up from prog antagonism. Which is good and bad haha good that my estrogen got more sensitive and the ru worked! But now I have a little gyno cuz dht didn't kick in due to the longer ru trial.<br/>
I had to put some topical dht on my nip yes my one nipple lol other one has no gyno. <br/>
It reduced haha
<e>

</e></QUOTE>

Isn't gyno a consequence of high prolactin and not of estrogens as gbolduev claims?<br/>
Maybe keeping that under control can work?
<e>

</e></QUOTE>

You could get it from both. I believe my gyno was from estrogen and prolactin increase both of which are Side effects of both ru blocking progesterone and being a weak anti androgen. He said to treat stsmptoms as they happen and they happened so ya boy treated them lol gyno has shrunk considerably from 2 days 20% dht cream. I have not taken it since those two days. Good sign that I'm responding well to dht now no?</r>

 

[wuf]

Re: REALLY DIRTY TRIALS

<r><QUOTE author="IHateFin" post_id="2192" time="1508550852" user_id="48"><s>

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<QUOTE author="wuf" post_id="2190" time="1508550598" user_id="65"><s>

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<QUOTE author="IHateFin" post_id="2185" time="1508548033" user_id="48"><s>

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Didn't some guy take inositol and Ella with PSSD whom got cured? <br/>
<br/>
I'm trying to keep it as clean as possible but I had a little gyno flare up from prog antagonism. Which is good and bad haha good that my estrogen got more sensitive and the ru worked! But now I have a little gyno cuz dht didn't kick in due to the longer ru trial.<br/>
I had to put some topical dht on my nip yes my one nipple lol other one has no gyno. <br/>
It reduced haha
<e>

</e></QUOTE>

Isn't gyno a consequence of high prolactin and not of estrogens as gbolduev claims?<br/>
Maybe keeping that under control can work?
<e>

</e></QUOTE>

You could get it from both. I believe my gyno was from estrogen and prolactin increase both of which are Side effects of both ru blocking progesterone and being a weak anti androgen. He said to treat stsmptoms as they happen and they happened so ya boy treated them lol gyno has shrunk considerably from 2 days 20% dht cream. I have not taken it since those two days. Good sign that I'm responding well to dht now no?
<e>

</e></QUOTE>

I do not know that much about gyno and then, I do not know if dht is the right choice.<br/>
Dht is redusing your gyno, are you feeling something from dht in terms of libido?</r>

 

[IHateFin]

Re: REALLY DIRTY TRIALS

<r><QUOTE author="wuf" post_id="2194" time="1508551075" user_id="65"><s>

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<QUOTE author="IHateFin" post_id="2192" time="1508550852" user_id="48"><s>

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<QUOTE author="wuf" post_id="2190" time="1508550598" user_id="65"><s>

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Isn't gyno a consequence of high prolactin and not of estrogens as gbolduev claims?<br/>
Maybe keeping that under control can work?
<e>

</e></QUOTE>

You could get it from both. I believe my gyno was from estrogen and prolactin increase both of which are Side effects of both ru blocking progesterone and being a weak anti androgen. He said to treat stsmptoms as they happen and they happened so ya boy treated them lol gyno has shrunk considerably from 2 days 20% dht cream. I have not taken it since those two days. Good sign that I'm responding well to dht now no?
<e>

</e></QUOTE>

I do not know that much about gyno and then, I do not know if dht is the right choice.<br/>
Dht is redusing your gyno, are you feeling something from dht in terms of libido?
<e>

</e></QUOTE>

Dht can be used cuz it directly can interact with the aromatase enzyme and thus reduce gyno.<br/>
<br/>
When I applied it to my right nipple I didn't get a libido boost, but my dick got pumped full of blood and I had a chub and I played with it a bit and got a good boner like 15 min after applying it.</r>

 

[wuf]

That means the pine pollen is working. It increased my anxiety something chronic and made my erections worse. But I kept at it. But yes keep sticking with that protocol if that is what gbol told you.

So pine pollen had the same effect for you in terms of worsening your symptoms and than snap back?

Correct.

That's good if you are feeling the snap back.
I am at a point where physically and emotionally I do not feel to jump on any protocol at the moment.
I have been throu all PFS phases during all these years and I guess now I am in a weird situation because I have 100% strong erections lasting even after ejaculation, but the main problem is the drop of pleasure in my brain and the drop of libido...so I have an hard dick without having a dick in my brain.
I want to give time a little chance before to jump to any protocol.

 

[wuf]

Re: REALLY DIRTY TRIALS

<r><QUOTE author="IHateFin" post_id="2196" time="1508551296" user_id="48"><s>

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<QUOTE author="wuf" post_id="2194" time="1508551075" user_id="65"><s>

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<QUOTE author="IHateFin" post_id="2192" time="1508550852" user_id="48"><s>

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You could get it from both. I believe my gyno was from estrogen and prolactin increase both of which are Side effects of both ru blocking progesterone and being a weak anti androgen. He said to treat stsmptoms as they happen and they happened so ya boy treated them lol gyno has shrunk considerably from 2 days 20% dht cream. I have not taken it since those two days. Good sign that I'm responding well to dht now no?
<e>

</e></QUOTE>

I do not know that much about gyno and then, I do not know if dht is the right choice.<br/>
Dht is redusing your gyno, are you feeling something from dht in terms of libido?
<e>

</e></QUOTE>

Dht can be used cuz it directly can interact with the aromatase enzyme and thus reduce gyno.<br/>
<br/>
When I applied it to my right nipple I didn't get a libido boost, but my dick got pumped full of blood and I had a chub and I played with it a bit and got a good boner like 15 min after applying it.
<e>

</e></QUOTE>

If what you describe is not a coincidence, it could be a good sign. But I really do not know it so much about this.</r>

 

[IHateFin]

So pine pollen had the same effect for you in terms of worsening your symptoms and than snap back?

Correct.

That's good if you are feeling the snap back.
I am at a point where physically and emotionally I do not feel to jump on any protocol at the moment.
I have been throu all PFS phases during all these years and I guess now I am in a weird situation because I have 100% strong erections lasting even after ejaculation, but the main problem is the drop of pleasure in my brain and the drop of libido...so I have an hard dick without having a dick in my brain.
I want to give time a little chance before to jump to any protocol.

I'd say give yourself some time.

Pine pollen is good, but I wouldn't reccomend it to everyone. For me pine pollen FUCKS me up like as if I have taken 10 big steps back. This is because of the high DHEA content of pine pollen. DHEA destroys me and I will never touch that or pine pollen with a 10 foot pole haha

Be careful with that stuff man haha I don't doubt that it has tremendous healing power for some, but it can be hit or miss and when it's a miss it hurts man haha

 

[wuf]

Re: REALLY DIRTY TRIALS

<r><QUOTE author="IHateFin" post_id="2199" time="1508552705" user_id="48"><s>

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<QUOTE author="wuf" post_id="2198" time="1508551650" user_id="65"><s>

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<QUOTE author="IHateFin" post_id="2196" time="1508551296" user_id="48"><s>

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Dht can be used cuz it directly can interact with the aromatase enzyme and thus reduce gyno.<br/>
<br/>
When I applied it to my right nipple I didn't get a libido boost, but my dick got pumped full of blood and I had a chub and I played with it a bit and got a good boner like 15 min after applying it.
<e>

</e></QUOTE>

If what you describe is not a coincidence, it could be a good sign. But I really do not know it so much about this.
<e>

</e></QUOTE>

Yeah I really hope it's not a coincidence! I would keep using it to see if it keeps happening but I really am trying to run inositol and Randro together as clean as possible.<br/>
<br/>
Only things I take is a Thorne extra pill every three days n trib n tongkat which are herbs I've consistently taken for like years haha
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</e></QUOTE>

Do you really think that with this mix you will come out better?</r>

 

[wuf]

Correct.

That's good if you are feeling the snap back.
I am at a point where physically and emotionally I do not feel to jump on any protocol at the moment.
I have been throu all PFS phases during all these years and I guess now I am in a weird situation because I have 100% strong erections lasting even after ejaculation, but the main problem is the drop of pleasure in my brain and the drop of libido...so I have an hard dick without having a dick in my brain.
I want to give time a little chance before to jump to any protocol.

I'd say give yourself some time.

Pine pollen is good, but I wouldn't reccomend it to everyone. For me pine pollen FUCKS me up like as if I have taken 10 big steps back. This is because of the high DHEA content of pine pollen. DHEA destroys me and I will never touch that or pine pollen with a 10 foot pole haha

Be careful with that stuff man haha I don't doubt that it has tremendous healing power for some, but it can be hit or miss and when it's a miss it hurts man haha

I won't touch that.. it had a very bad impact on me.
And I am funded up because of Dhea crash so I guess that stuff is not my solution.

 

[IHateFin]

Re: REALLY DIRTY TRIALS

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If what you describe is not a coincidence, it could be a good sign. But I really do not know it so much about this.
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Yeah I really hope it's not a coincidence! I would keep using it to see if it keeps happening but I really am trying to run inositol and Randro together as clean as possible.<br/>
<br/>
Only things I take is a Thorne extra pill every three days n trib n tongkat which are herbs I've consistently taken for like years haha
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</e></QUOTE>

Do you really think that with this mix you will come out better?
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im really hoping so, yeah! inositol does wonders for the brain n dopamine so im sure a snap back there would e a good thing and Randro has its own snap back for dht n such so im very hopeful. i guess ill have to wait n see what happens late november when i hop off.</r>

 

[Goose12]

Re: REALLY DIRTY TRIALS

<r><QUOTE author="IHateFin" post_id="2256" time="1508601963" user_id="48"><s>

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im really hoping so, yeah! inositol does wonders for the brain n dopamine so im sure a snap back there would e a good thing and Randro has its own snap back for dht n such so im very hopeful. i guess ill have to wait n see what happens late november when i hop off.
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How much Randro are you taking? And in line with <MENTION><s>[mention]</s>gbolduev<e>[/mention]</e></MENTION> thoughts, do you think Randro can lower dht receptors sensitivity? <br/>
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When I took Randro I noticed only good things overall.</r>

 

[IHateFin]

Re: REALLY DIRTY TRIALS

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<QUOTE author="IHateFin" post_id="2256" time="1508601963" user_id="48"><s>

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im really hoping so, yeah! inositol does wonders for the brain n dopamine so im sure a snap back there would e a good thing and Randro has its own snap back for dht n such so im very hopeful. i guess ill have to wait n see what happens late november when i hop off.
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How much Randro are you taking? And in line with @gbolduev thoughts, do you think Randro can lower dht receptors sensitivity? <br/>
<br/>
When I took Randro I noticed only good things overall.
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i hope it doesnt reduce androgen receptor sensativity, but i never read anything that it does.<br/>
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im currently taking 400mg of Randro a day.<br/>
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i guess if androgen receptor density and sensativity was a concern i would throw in Lcarnitine which has been shown on many studies to increase androgen receptors.</r>