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[IHateFin]

So do you think RU won’t work for me if I’m on TRT?

ru will definitly work if youre on trt. in fact it will work even better if you take it with some dht like masteron propionate. 150mg test cyp plus 200mg masteron plus 25mg RU twice a week should force your body back to a low prog, normal estrogen, normal Test and high DHT state.

if i was already on TRT this is what i would do.

 

[Willylong98]

ru will definitly work if youre on trt. in fact it will work even better if you take it with some dht like masteron propionate. 150mg test cyp plus 200mg masteron plus 25mg RU twice a week should force your body back to a low prog, normal estrogen, normal Test and high DHT state.

if i was already on TRT this is what i would do.

Lol I’ll shoot up some masteron this week. I got a bodybuilding competition coming up this summer I’ll be on all kinds ofDHT drugs also

 

[joekool]

Hey @Willylong98

Test injections should not be affected by RU. RU will wipe progesterone from your body... for X days, however long you're on it... and those hormones (dhea, prog) are created in the adrenals. That shouldn't be affected by test injections.

Are you taking anti estrogen too? What's that dosage and your test dosage?

@IHateFin I would agree fasting with an anti-hormone like RU would wipe clean... I would fear cortisol could cause heart issues... could be a bad recipe... not sure yet...

 

[IHateFin]

Hey @Willylong98

Test injections should not be affected by RU. RU will wipe progesterone from your body... for X days, however long you're on it... and those hormones (dhea, prog) are created in the adrenals. That shouldn't be affected by test injections.

Are you taking anti estrogen too? What's that dosage and your test dosage?

@IHateFin I would agree fasting with an anti-hormone like RU would wipe clean... I would fear cortisol could cause heart issues... could be a bad recipe... not sure yet...

true, but the ru will help block some of that cortisol from hitting receptors too so it benefits in that aspect as well.

i also feel like depending on dose of trt he wont need anti-e especially with masteron propionate. 200mg of test can be taken a week without anti-e if doses are split between 2 injections plus adding 100mg of mast with each injection, FAGETABOUT IT lol

 

[Willylong98]

Hey @Willylong98

Test injections should not be affected by RU. RU will wipe progesterone from your body... for X days, however long you're on it... and those hormones (dhea, prog) are created in the adrenals. That shouldn't be affected by test injections.
I’m on 750mg Test e at the moment because I’m a bodybuilder bulkingup. I do this for 6 weeks then 6 weeks on 200mg Test E
Are you taking anti estrogen too? What's that dosage and your test dosage?

@IHateFin I would agree fasting with an anti-hormone like RU would wipe clean... I would fear cortisol could cause heart issues... could be a bad recipe... not sure yet...

 

[Willylong98]

My answer in the quote^

 

[joekool]

750Mg test is the 'blast' I'm assuming and the 200mg 'cruise' is your TRT dosage I'm assuming... my rat needs anti-e on 600mgs so I'm guessing you have something too?

For the record, if you're suffering from PFS, look at what Deca-D1ck is and you'll see it's the same as Fina-D1ck... and Deca users have tried RU as well...

So it's definitely an interesting use case...

@IHateFin I must be mixed up... RU would block or raise cortisol ? Block right? cuz cortisol needs prog ?? So hard to keep up with this stuff...

 

[Willylong98]

750Mg test is the 'blast' I'm assuming and the 200mg 'cruise' is your TRT dosage I'm assuming... my rat needs anti-e on 600mgs so I'm guessing you have something too?

For the record, if you're suffering from PFS, look at what Deca-D1ck is and you'll see it's the same as Fina-D1ck... and Deca users have tried RU as well...

So it's definitely an interesting use case...

@IHateFin I must be mixed up... RU would block or raise cortisol ? Block right? cuz cortisol needs prog ?? So hard to keep up with this stuff...

Exactly bro. Using very low dose AI i need high estrogen for joints at the moment training very heavy

 

[IHateFin]

750Mg test is the 'blast' I'm assuming and the 200mg 'cruise' is your TRT dosage I'm assuming... my rat needs anti-e on 600mgs so I'm guessing you have something too?

For the record, if you're suffering from PFS, look at what Deca-D1ck is and you'll see it's the same as Fina-D1ck... and Deca users have tried RU as well...

So it's definitely an interesting use case...

@IHateFin I must be mixed up... RU would block or raise cortisol ? Block right? cuz cortisol needs prog ?? So hard to keep up with this stuff...

well it blocks cortisol from binding to the receptor so it stuffs its self and keeps cortisol out, but the body senses low cortisol from it being blocked by ru that it actually overcompensates by increasing plasma cortisol.

 

[IHateFin]

Exactly bro. Using very low dose AI i need high estrogen for joints at the moment training very heavy

holy thats a lot of test! i think 200mg keeps you at like the high end of the normal range maybe 900ng-ish haha i didnt know we were talking about supraphysiological amounts of test.

 

[Willylong98]

holy thats a lot of test! i think 200mg keeps you at like the high end of the normal range maybe 900ng-ish haha i didnt know we were talking about supraphysiological amounts of test.

Yeah only For short cycles

 

[IHateFin]

update 02/24/2018:

today i took 150mg of 4AD and 200mg of Randro with my usual cocktail of supps in the morning and holy cow today has been good.

so yesterday i was horny af and muscles felt odd like my metabolism was too ramped up since i didnt take 4andro that day so i felt a little flat and took 500mg of Randro that day. i took 1tbp of gelatin which lowered my libido a bit then it ramped back up and i ended up masterbating and busted a gallon of jizz it seemed just kept pumping out.
today i was unusually sore from yesterdays work out to wear i could tell my ramped up metabolism from randro would restrict the gainz so i took 150mg of $andro within a 2 hour period and my god.. as it kicked in my muscles got full and vascularity came ranging in and soreness quickly decreased about 40% easily and mood picked up. libido dropped a bit in a sense, but really it didnt reduce more so it changed to something more fierce yet subtle. hard to explain, but its more of a normal libido.
dick feels much better and prostate rumbled. i cant stop wanting to bang new girls even tho i have a gf so thats cool, but could get me in trouble haha

its now 7 hours later that i dosed 4AD and i feel really good and i want to reach out to my friends and tell them i miss them and wish we could all start hanging out so empathy and social connection are up. oddly enough i feel scalp n dht type inflammation coming on.

4AD converts heavily to estrogen, but converts more to test than regular DHEA. its also enanthated to the ester makes it time released so it lasts a long ass time. i believe enenthate is a 10 day half life. this was the highest i have dosed it and im glad i did haha i feel like my old self personality wise, but not 100% but very very familiar of a feeling. just ghoes to show estrogen is important with that dht.

possibly unrelated to this and more related to the fact that i took gelatin yesterday, but just when i thought my bowl movements couldnt get any better i took 3 solid fucking shits today. like i had an urge to poo and it was perfect and barely required wiping. i also ate some cooked banana chips made with coconut oild that use to cause cramps cua of my random food insensativities that started a month ago and i was not phased one freaking bit. not sure what the magic combo is here, but 4AD in doses at 150mg at least and moderate Randro 200mgt or more seem to work great and gelatin maybe helping my digestion a ton. i will probably use it once a week.
especially considering the fact that we know that digestion and pfs symptoms go hand and hand and 5 beta reductase have a play in bile and such.

my log is a bit of a mess, but thats today so i will update tomorrow as i plan to up my 4AD to 200mg where i will not ever exceed and play around with a 200 to 300mg Randro dose. i also have a work out tomorrow for chest and the way im feeling now i just want to bust a gym doors wide open and work out rn but its late and i dont need that before bed haha

 

[IHateFin]

guys LDN is getting good!

so i finished my 4AD and Randro cycles and started up LDN again taking 1.5mg every 3rd night and man im feeling good like really good. im finding myself feeling like a teen where i always ask my gf to play with my dick n stuff or ask for sex a lot and crave her. i also seem to actually feel full emotions and act silly like a goof ball like i used to to the point where my gf stated today "jeez youre like a kid". i havent had someone tell me that in ages :') i use to get that a lot back in the day. LDN seems to increase test which i can tell due to feeling stupily alpha especially after work outs and better morning wood. hair is shedding and tingly a lot too. so far so good.

i still take my usual coctail of sups which dont amount to too much and im actually not taking any herbs rn so i have actually cut some stuff out.

morning cocktail:
boron
sometimes copper n low low zinc (1/16 of a 50mg pill roughly)
vit C (not ascorbic acid)
creatine
iodine
sellenium
L histidine 150 mg roughly
sulphur msm

t ake a bit of gelatin here n there, but now just bake healthy and delicious oatmeal cookies with it like once a week so i get my fill with this.

sometimes i take a dash of mag before bed <100mg too.
sporadically i will take b complex and potassium chloride which amounts to about twice a week or so.

 

[IHateFin]

i can literally feel my body trying to balance through out the day its so weird. one minute i have a higher sex drive to then having tighter muscles and vascularity and super androgenic out of nowhere to then feeling like my old personality to then feeling like my estrogen is crashed and i have sore joints n lowered libido back to feeling more balanced to then having massive hairshed to then having more mental clarity to then getting a headache out of nowhere then its gone then androgenic again then back to the beginning of this cycle the next day. its odd, but something is happening in my body.

 

[MNK99]

Keep crushing it bro! @IHateFin I'm very happy LDN is working out well. I'll get on that in the future most likely.
Great updates yo. I can't wait to feel like a kid again.

 

[IHateFin]

Keep crushing it bro! @IHateFin I'm very happy LDN is working out well. I'll get on that in the future most likely.
Great updates yo. I can't wait to feel like a kid again.

thanks, buddy!
it was nice feeling like a kid, man and you will get there! your plan is solid!
today was the best day so far since crashing on fin.

 

[IHateFin]

most of you know im trying the estrogen route and its proving fruitful, but here on some studies to check out on it. both gbold and tubzy have mentioned the importance of estrogen and how it makes androgens sensitive, but these expound upon that. i had no idea that it actually increases mRNA of androgens particularly in the brain:

Estrogen, But Not Androgens, Regulates Androgen Receptor Messenger Ribonucleic Acid Expression in the Developing Male Rat Forebrain * | Endocrinology | Oxford Academic

Estradiol and Bisphenol A Stimulate Androgen Receptor and Estrogen Receptor Gene Expression in Fetal Mouse Prostate Mesenchyme Cells

i knew estrogen was the true cause of bph, but it looks like even BPA and other xenoestrogens can also increase androgen uptake in target tissues such as the prostate. estrogen seems to be not working properly with PFS or there is an imbalance of something maybe sodium for some that it causing it to not be as sensative or work properly and increase that mRNA of androgens.

estrogens also do have direct affinity for the androgen receptor like DHT just as dht has an affinity for the estrogen receptor. im thinking its an antagonist which is another reason that it would keep androgen receptors dense and sensitive for androgens.
From estrogen to androgen receptor: A new pathway for sex hormones in prostate


this is just some food for thought

 

[IHateFin]

Here is my hair test:

I'm a slow oxidizer.

 

[BeLikeWater]

How are you feeling are you still with LDN?

 

[IHateFin]

How are you feeling are you still with LDN?

I dropped it long ago. It was great for a few days even with the negative effect on my sleep, but I ended up dropping it. I will say that after my short run with it my allergies are not nearly as severe towards cats n dogs haha