Lines/Creases on arms common in PFS? DNA link?

[Reverse]

How many of you have a line/crease, just below your elbow on your forearm and just above on your bicep that developed during pfs?

I would appreciate if everyone could answer this.

I've researched enough data to come to a conclusion on the matter. This connects to those of Han dynasty heritage and those who are not. But it is typical according to my on the field observations and online inquiry that this is a bio-marker typical of Han dynasty decendants. In other words the lines are present in people from birth, common in chinese people.

Of course there are other groups of people (including european and native american) that display the trait, but it seems to be in much less in number.
What does this mean? That their ancestors perhaps came in contact with a potent 5ari too. In other words the trait is not a mysterious skin phenomena.

Im working with a few professors in university to complete a theory where 5ar inhibition is a possible key cause to the lines found in people.

The connection with the Han is that as you may know, 5 ar inhibiting foods are typical in chinese cuisine and medicine.

Also it would be helpful if anyone or everyone with this change would volunteer for their case to documented. Identity will remain anonymous. The greater numbers we have for the published study, the better.

 

[Reverse]

If people are born with the lines and are predominantly from a lineage that most probably ingested 5ari then it gives a case for every pfs or ex pfs person here.

A legal case where a side effect was not disclosed in the insert.

If youre not understanding the connection and potential significance of this then ask and i will gladly post more.

We just need to pool enough people showing the physical marker.

Why offspring are then born with the marker is the question we can get an answer to but we cant get that without cooperation. And perhaps in establishing a connection any unknown changes can be addressed. But if you'd rather pretend that you didnt read this, youre only leaving questions for your offspring for no good reason and leaving them further away from knowledge.

Look it up yourself, many non pfs people are asking why the mysterious line on their arms.

The potential benefits of establishing a connection are significant.

Sorry for the repetitive post, Im hoping atleast the 3 cases i know of in the forums will come foward. But theres a high chance its more than 3.

 

[TubZy]

Lines on forearms? Like stretch marks from building muscle and losing/gaining weight over time? I think this is bit of a reach here and even if there some correlation I don't think it would change anything different than what we are doing now to address PFS.

 

[Reverse]

Thanks for replying and I appreciate your input. I will very informly and humbly disagree with you, Its not a reach. If were gonna be scientific about physical characteristics and "evolution", then we know that one theory is our physical appearance was molded by the environment.

To keep it straight to the point. In our case, the line in a persons forearm and bicep is not muscle loss or weight changes. The sooner everyone is honest about it, the sooner you can truely hackstasis the issue.

I dont understand how on one hand most of us, myself included, agree that a mineral loss and/or imbalance took place but we deny or try to shrug the truth about how dependent bones are on the minerals and how delicate that balance is.

It is bone loss hence the smaller body frame....of course hormones may or may not play a role but a downregulation of hormonal output along with smaller body frames is typical of asian ancestry. Its coincidence that the physical trait MANY of them exhibit and some are born with, yes the exact same "STRETCH" mark is also present in us?

Did you even google it? Because there are various forums where people are asking why a trait which is popularly assigned to Han dynasty descendants is found in themselves who are Celts, Native Americans, Africans etc.

The correlation is possibly there, lines in arms and smaller bone diameter coincide. Is it the body frame measurement equal in all cases, it seems likely but I wont know unless I can gather evidence for more support from my professors.

Is there any other significance to those lines beyond bone mass? Maybe?

Go to any china town in the summer if you dont believe the forums or what i myself am telling you. You will see atleast 30% of the men and women with the lines. Are you gonna tell me they all had muscle loss? Are you gonna tell me that its not a birth mark or something more?

This is hackstasis and I like the idea here. The TEI and ARL are definitely a help. But come on guys, are you really trying to reverse engineer the havok or mask it?

I took a long hard look in the mirror at disappearance of my athletic veins shrunken wrist and knuckles. I accepted that it wasnt just some muscle loss and it sucks. But the flip side is now I can do something about it. I then researched what 5ari is, down to diets and people which include them. It all led me to what Im sharing here now.

Im not trying to stir up anything negative but we only have eachothers back along with some professors and influential people we might be lucky to meet along this journey. Conquering the obstacle requires us to face it in its entirety.
NO ONE else will do it for us.

Please guys, I cant get more help unless you all do your part, and Im not even asking for money here...

 

[barbaar]

What kind of "line" are you talking about? I've never heard of such a thing or seen it.

 

[Reverse]

What kind of "line" are you talking about? I've never heard of such a thing or seen it.

Its a very faint line in the forearm and/or bicep. It is more apparent when the arm is bent as opposed to extended. The line is close to the elbow.

Im having trouble putting the links here. But you can google search "why do i have a line in my forearm?" or something similar and youll see.

 

[Reverse]

@barbaar

Heres a few links had to input manually

themissingink23.blogspot.com/2011/06/maybe-you-can-help-me.html

www.quora.com/what-causes-the-crease-on-the-forearm-above-the-elbow-typical-of-han-chinese

ehealthforum.com/health/topic113953.html

Some are old blogs but have recent comments if you read thru.

 

[RebelWithACause]

No don't think so. When you crash you become hyper aware of everything for some reason. Could be low estrogen (or insensitive estrogen). It has a similar effect to taking a lot of zinc or crashing estrogen.

For example:

You will meet a girl and see all her wrinkles and people look like shit in general, including yourself. Even hotter girls looked like shit. It is strange and should be ignored. I don't have that side effect anymore. And the girls I was repulsed by look good now.

You see how little humans see of reality and how much it is influenced by the functioning of your brain.

I think this is also with your arms that you notice stuff you did not notice before because of the chemicals in your brain.

It is useless to focus on these things. Focus should be on recovery. A lot of the side effects physical and mental will become better or fixed.

 

[Niles]

I have those lines, but the fact that non-pfs people have them too would suggest they're not from bone loss. The average person with these lines, even if they consume lots of dietary 5ari, wouldn't experience any significant bone loss. Plus, why would they have these lines from birth and through childhood, when their bones are quickly growing, if they were somehow related to bone loss?

 

[barbaar]

I have those lines too, I'm definitely not Asian and as far as I know I never touched a 5ari

 

[Walker]

No don't think so. When you crash you become hyper aware of everything for some reason. Could be low estrogen (or insensitive estrogen). It has a similar effect to taking a lot of zinc or crashing estrogen.

For example:

You will meet a girl and see all her wrinkles and people look like shit in general, including yourself. Even hotter girls looked like shit. It is strange and should be ignored. I don't have that side effect anymore. And the girls I was repulsed by look good now.

You see how little humans see of reality and how much it is influenced by the functioning of your brain.

I think this is also with your arms that you notice stuff you did not notice before because of the chemicals in your brain.

It is useless to focus on these things. Focus should be on recovery. A lot of the side effects physical and mental will become better or fixed.

Totally endorse this message. The last line is sage wisdom.

 

[RebelWithACause]

I think understanding PFS is important and also symptoms should be described but there is point where you have to say OK, time to fix it. At PH they still talking about the same stuff. Eventually you have to accept it.

Good thing is a lot of the physical side effects will get better. I have seen good improvements. Look pretty good. Some days better than others just like the average person.

And the people who got 100% cured said it themselves. A lot of their physical stuff like sunken eyes, muscle loss, bone loss even improved. Some remaining wrinkles here and there. Bummer but won't kill you.

 

[Reverse]

I have those lines, but the fact that non-pfs people have them too would suggest they're not from bone loss. The average person with these lines, even if they consume lots of dietary 5ari, wouldn't experience any significant bone loss. Plus, why would they have these lines from birth and through childhood, when their bones are quickly growing, if they were somehow related to bone loss?

Your question of why they have it from birth is part of the focus of my work. If you follow the questions, it leads to a few potential paths.

A. The line present at birth is a physical birth mark of evidence that an ancestor was exposed to a potent 5ari inhibitor or a substance that mimics the side-effects. And somehow that mark os passed on but doesnt equal bone loss or anything else.

B. The line is passed on to offspring and perhaps signals that an alteration to bone development is active in person who inherited the physical mark. Could there be other alterations happening in the biochemistry of said person?

C. The line means nothing and who cares about it anyway, I mean PFS isnt real either right?

There are maybe one or two more possibilites. But the point of my investigation is not to cast darkness upon the future, especially for us like myself who are having children in the near future. The focus is to be sure we can hack whatever this phenomena may mean for us. Theres always a chance its just a birthmark, a reminder of the past. DNA afterall does have a memory program.

genetic testing does ask if youve taken 5ari when taking the test. last i heard here on HS. Just saying...

 

[Reverse]

I would post my published paper here but its too long. And will probably look like spam. I think most of you guys can follow the logic here. Yea were recovering, I agree, but recording the data of simian lines might prove beneficial in the future.

If we make public record of this through University professors and they further the development of the theory, we may have more tools available to us in many aspects. Why pretend that DNA and evolution are of no importance to us?

 

[Bankai900]

I agree with @Rebel that when you crash you somehow become hyperaware. I see now that my before pics were BS, I just dont have ANY with wrinkles on my whole fucking phone with over 2k pics. Now I'm aware of ALL wrinkles on ALL people. And some people look WAY worse than me at the same age, while others look way better than me 10years older.

But STILL, I had dents in my hands for 1-2hours, and bedsheets from sleeping on my body for 1-2 FULL HOURS. I looked like a painting or struck by lightning. Now when I wake up my bedsheets on skin vary,, but are on my body for maximum of 5-30 minutes. Today they were gone within 3 minutes. Dents on my hands start dissappearing within 20seconds!!!! now, stronger ones within 2-3minutes. Compared to 2 FULL HOURS OF NO CHANGE for 3 weeks after crash. It isn't just a psychological thing, it's like ppl saying on reddit "sidz ar in y0 hed m8". I got more wrinkles EVERYwhere now, looks even as if my skin started to sagg on my chest, and I'm in shape.
But my hydration of skin and the dents are getting better, huge stress last week caused me again bedsheets for 50minutes one day. Now it's better by the day again when I'm focused on not stressing or taxing the body.
Aswell as using the slow oxidizer diet combined with CDsnuts protocol and paelodiet adequate to my hairtest and supplementation.

And I have this Han-line OP talks about, I might have had it before PFS. Way stronger on my right then my left. If it's that luls. All of the "ceases" on my body got severly worse during the last month. My dents and hydration are doing great, but I still seem to get more wrinkly by the day. Just hope that when my overall skin already catched up that this will resolve with time aswell. Like the whole skinissue.^^
Cant get it better, it's very visible in real life, on my left arm my phone doesnt even pick it up. Might be just a wrinkle tho xD

 

[BC2018]

I think this is also with your arms that you notice stuff you did not notice before because of the chemicals in your brain.

It is useless to focus on these things. Focus should be on recovery. A lot of the side effects physical and mental will become better or fixed.

I've experienced the post-pfs focus on wrinkles but this is not the same. I fully agree with Reverse. I noticed this line on Chinese friends as a kid.

 

[Reverse]

Theres a reason I posted this here instead of PH, SPFS or SS. Its because we here tend look at data, analysis, numbers and tests. Thats how you ensure full recovery. I'm not downplaying SS, I apply some of its methods and CDN is saving lives. What Im saying is if there were a group who wanted to completely be balanced without any doubt or error, its here at HS.

If there were a group who cared to adress any potential epigenetic or inheritable factors, itd be us.

The replies to my request are disappointing to say the least.

No one believed PFS could happen when they first took the poison correct?
We were a mix of arrogant, nieve, ignorant and denial right?

Wer'e greater men now, than before because this hell makes you grow up fast and taller than most around you.

So do your duty to your lineage and participate in the research. So IF there is an issue, you can fix it or set the tides in motion. No one has perfect expression or DNA. What we see today are some people who just didnt take as big of a hit from the environment vs people who did.
Therefore its really no big deal to admit that you should probably go deeper into this.

Point is you guys havent done the research and are quick to dismiss.

Point is epigenetic research is growing, Genetic data bases are growing with 5ari record of ingestion being documented. So whats the bloody point of you potentially passing on avoidable or manageable burdens to your lineage? You just make it harder for them and really it doesnt have to be because you could face it now. And do you think in 20-50 years genetic testing wont be the norm considering how much that industry has grown? So our mistakes will be found out.

And why i have to speak on this level here is beyond me. Remove the last layer of ignorance and denial from yourselves, its what got us here in the first place.

edit* and if youre not planning on having children then atleast participate for the guys who will. Hopefully there wont be many more new cases.

And thanks to the staff and owners of HS. I know what im stating may not sit well or you may disagree but youre allowing me to share. Thank you.

 

[BC2018]

And why i have to speak on this level here is beyond me. Remove the last layer of ignorance and denial from yourselves, its what got us here in the first place.

It's their instinct, most people can only admit to things once they are accepted by the majority. So until then they will put obstacles in your way the same way the general public will, joining hack doesn't make a fool into some trailblazer. They will even try to get your posts erased or banned.

Here's a trending video of your average American retard jumping on someone who stands up against Merck

I noticed from the photos I've seen a lot of white men suffering from PFS have the same look, not just from the side effects like pale complexion and moon face but as if they have common ancestry. For lack of a better term I'll call it a central European Celtic look. I think these days you can also spot men who have taken Fin or Minoxidil even if they never got full blown PFS and go about their day thinking they are fine. Almost like you can predict which homeless people became drug addicts and lost their homes after being prescribed Oxycontin.

 

[Niles]

Theres a reason I posted this here instead of PH, SPFS or SS. Its because we here tend look at data, analysis, numbers and tests. Thats how you ensure full recovery. I'm not downplaying SS, I apply some of its methods and CDN is saving lives. What Im saying is if there were a group who wanted to completely be balanced without any doubt or error, its here at HS.

If there were a group who cared to adress any potential epigenetic or inheritable factors, itd be us.

The replies to my request are disappointing to say the least.

No one believed PFS could happen when they first took the poison correct?
We were a mix of arrogant, nieve, ignorant and denial right?

Wer'e greater men now, than before because this hell makes you grow up fast and taller than most around you.

So do your duty to your lineage and participate in the research. So IF there is an issue, you can fix it or set the tides in motion. No one has perfect expression or DNA. What we see today are some people who just didnt take as big of a hit from the environment vs people who did.
Therefore its really no big deal to admit that you should probably go deeper into this.

Point is you guys havent done the research and are quick to dismiss.

Point is epigenetic research is growing, Genetic data bases are growing with 5ari record of ingestion being documented. So whats the bloody point of you potentially passing on avoidable or manageable burdens to your lineage? You just make it harder for them and really it doesnt have to be because you could face it now. And do you think in 20-50 years genetic testing wont be the norm considering how much that industry has grown? So our mistakes will be found out.

And why i have to speak on this level here is beyond me. Remove the last layer of ignorance and denial from yourselves, its what got us here in the first place.

edit* and if youre not planning on having children then atleast participate for the guys who will. Hopefully there wont be many more new cases.

And thanks to the staff and owners of HS. I know what im stating may not sit well or you may disagree but youre allowing me to share. Thank you.

I think a lot of the replies were just healthy skepticism. Your hypothesis is interesting, and I wouldn't discourage you from looking into it, but there's no real evidence yet to back it up. I don't think it's fair to draw a parallel between PFS denialism and healthy skepticism about causal correlations between 5ar, the Chinese, epigenetics, and skin creases below the elbow.

 

[BC2018]

I think a lot of the replies were just healthy skepticism. Your hypothesis is interesting, and I wouldn't discourage you from looking into it, but there's no real evidence yet to back it up.

Healthy interest would be better than tired skepticism. Evidence whether in the scientific method sense or the legal sense is near impossible to find for stuff like this and a waste of time what we need to find is the truth or hints of it. We're online, how do you share evidence when we are not physically interacting with eachother and any evidence found only online isn't worth much because it can be fake. How much evidence can we find to explain a problem in a culture if this was done under former empires. Say staple foods have side effects for that group and later Merck created various drugs as a bioweapon for certain groups, say that evidence exists. Unless you can teleport a person from the past like past China or 1800s America into modern day no one will care, no amount of evidence will be enough for people to react about the effects of the drop in testosterone.

And as far as Merck goes if evidence exists In paper form, where will it be found? Their own headquarters. If the police ever got near it they would simply shred it. Does that mean the crime was never committed if there is no evidence and all the things that happened to our bodies are just our overactive imagination? And if it takes 20 years to raise a new generation and create evidence in the form of a person fed a different diet or not given any medications does that mean it's right to nag that person at every step for 20 years for lack of evidence up until that point. If you still think finding evidence of wrong doing will change anything you're living in 1980s because Bill Clinton proved in the 90s the society doesn't care about evidence anymore and they'll just go along with anything. Hillary Clinton had dead people and over a million illegals voting for her in 2016 that's how much people care.