Mineral Interaction Chart - how to treat ALL imbalances with minerals

[Aleksandr]

Woo - just found this on a facebook group. Looks like we finally got the info we need!!

This is from Paul Eck in 1985.

[mention]Canari[/mention] [mention]gbolduev[/mention] [mention]mattyb[/mention] [mention]TubZy[/mention]

 

[mattyb]

If anyone has access to the Handbook of vitamins, minerals and hormones by Kutsky it is probably the greatest reference for interactions written yet. Written about 40-50 years ago and still holds up today. Missing some more modern enzymatic interactions, but still good none the less.

This is a great overview of minerals, but keep in mind we need to consider vitamins, hormones, and enzymes in this picture as well.

 

[tanedout]

Great find [mention]m_arch[/mention]!! Do you know what publication this table is from?

Really interesting to see that iron and manganese should increase phosphorous. Two minerals I certainly don't supplement, but will look to slowly add to see if I can increase my serum phosphorus [specifically inorganic phosphate] (which is consistently low-very low)

 

[Aleksandr]

Great find @m_arch!! Do you know what publication this table is from?

Really interesting to see that iron and manganese should increase phosphorous. Two minerals I certainly don't supplement, but will look to slowly add to see if I can increase my serum phosphorus [specifically inorganic phosphate] (which is consistently low-very low)

No unfortunately. Ive asked the guy who posted it on fb tho, hope i get a response. Do serum phosphorus and hair test phosphorus correlate?

 

[Nina]

It says zinc increases calcium and magnesium and lowers phosphorus.. How is this good for someone with slow metabolism?

 

[Orion]

Woo - just found this on a facebook group. Looks like we finally got the info we need!!

This is from Paul Eck in 1985.

@Canari @gbolduev @mattyb @TubZy

Nice find, thanks for posting.

 

[Orion]

It says zinc increases calcium and magnesium and lowers phosphorus.. How is this good for someone with slow metabolism?

You can see Manganese is like the brakes on those interactions... opposition balancing.

 

[Nina]

It says zinc increases calcium and magnesium and lowers phosphorus.. How is this good for someone with slow metabolism?

You can see Manganese is like the brakes on those interactions... opposition balancing.

So basically, zinc lowers it and manganese increases it (metabolism). But zinc raises Potassium so it raises thyroid?

 

[Orion]

It says zinc increases calcium and magnesium and lowers phosphorus.. How is this good for someone with slow metabolism?

You can see Manganese is like the brakes on those interactions... opposition balancing.

So basically, zinc lowers it and manganese increases it (metabolism). But zinc raises Potassium so it raises thyroid?

Gbolduev would probably say that these interaction are all wrong(mentioned before Eck's not right), so you have to experiment and see how your body reacts, but these interactions could be good generalization to work with.

 

[Nina]

You can see Manganese is like the brakes on those interactions... opposition balancing.

So basically, zinc lowers it and manganese increases it (metabolism). But zinc raises Potassium so it raises thyroid?

Gbolduev would probably say that these interaction are all wrong(mentioned before Eck's not right), so you have to experiment and see how your body reacts, but these interactions could be good generalization to work with.

Ok yeah well, diet is probably still most important factor.

 

[Slayo]

Anyone know books that contain Eck's work ? what do you think of "nutritional balancing and hair mineral hanalysis" ?

 

[Aleksandr]

It says zinc increases calcium and magnesium and lowers phosphorus.. How is this good for someone with slow metabolism?

Gbold usually recommends zinc and manganese together. Manganese raises phosphorus, lowers calcium, lowers mg... probably zinc also raises potassium and manganese doesnt seem to affect it.

A net benefit in the end it looks like.

Although i would advocate taking stuff based on your specific hair test, you might not be the typical slow ox gbold was thinking of for zinc mang

 

[Nina]

Anyone knows what effect vitamin c has on the minerals?

 

[Jamie]

Anyone knows what effect vitamin c has on the minerals?

It seems to speed up oxidation rate somehow. It makes my heart beating fast etc.

 

[tanedout]

Great find @m_arch!! Do you know what publication this table is from?

Really interesting to see that iron and manganese should increase phosphorous. Two minerals I certainly don't supplement, but will look to slowly add to see if I can increase my serum phosphorus [specifically inorganic phosphate] (which is consistently low-very low)

No unfortunately. Ive asked the guy who posted it on fb tho, hope i get a response. Do serum phosphorus and hair test phosphorus correlate?

Strangely not! My hair test shows it above the half way point within normal range, yet bloods it's always low..,

 

[Orion]

Anyone knows what effect vitamin c has on the minerals?

I think its big effect is on (Fe) iron, and drives iron down. Maybe [mention]gbolduev[/mention] can comment on this?

 

[HerrFisch]

Anyone knows what effect vitamin c has on the minerals?

I think its big effect is on (Fe) iron, and drives iron down. Maybe @gbolduev can comment on this?

Vitamin C is a chelator. So I think it will chelate all minerals in the blood.

 

[mattyb]

I think its big effect is on (Fe) iron, and drives iron down. Maybe @gbolduev can comment on this?

Vit C increases iron absorption.

 

[Nina]

I think its big effect is on (Fe) iron, and drives iron down. Maybe @gbolduev can comment on this?

Vit C increases iron absorption.

Which minerals does it chelate besides copper?

 

[Orion]

I think its big effect is on (Fe) iron, and drives iron down. Maybe @gbolduev can comment on this?

Vit C increases iron absorption.

I thought ascorbate/ascorbic acid both prevents iron deposits in the tissues and helps put good iron into the red blood cells.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2507689

“The key role of ascorbic acid for the absorption of dietary nonheme iron is generally accepted. The reasons for its action are twofold: (1) the prevention of the formation of insoluble and unabsorbable iron compounds [this is how iron deposits happen in the WRONG/BAD way] and (2) the reduction of ferric to ferrous iron, which seems to be a requirement for the uptake of iron into the mucosal cells. [this is how iron absorption happens the RIGHT way]”