Natural Progesterone Blockers

[tanedout]

Just reading up to see if any herbs (potentially ones used in the CDNuts cycle) are natural progesterone blockers, and it seems there are a few, and they are herbs classified as abortifacients;

Miscarriages may be created by many herbs in European folk medicine. These herbs are categorized as abortifacients, but will also cause estrogen dominance. You should not take these herbs classified as abortifacients. Abortifacients are most likely to be like the "morning after" pill otherwise known as RU-486. RU-486 fits into the progesterone receptor, but does not stimulate it. RU-486 is a progesterone blocker.

QUEEN ANNE'S LACE (WILD CARROT)

From the fourth century B.C., Hippocrates wrote that Queen Anne's Lace stopped pregnancies. In 2007, Robin Bennett, an herbalist, gave 13 women Queen Anne's Lace and claimed to have a 98% success in preventing pregnancy. Historical accounts also show an abortifacient role. It is likely that it is a progesterone-blocker. There are no University or industry studies because there is no money to be made. Here is a link to her study.

Seeds harvested in the fall if taken after coitus show a strong contraceptive effect. Extracts of seeds have been tested on rats, mice, guinea pigs, and rabbits. The implantation process is disrupted, and a fertilized ovum will not implant or not implant well.

FENNEL

Used in the ancient world to prevent pregnancy and to create abortions. John Riddle researched the ancient use of silphium (a species of giant fennel) which was widely used as a contraceptive in the ancient Greek world and the Near East. It was so popular, that over harvesting caused its price to rise and by the first century of the modern era it was described as worth its weight in silver. One difficulty, is that it grew in a thirty mile band along the dry mountainside facing the Mediterranean sea. Attempts to cultivate it commercially failed and by late antiquity silphium had become extinct. Silphium had a widespread reputation of being a contraceptive and abortifacient. The standard prescription was for a woman to drink the juice from a small amount of silphium, about the size of a chickpea, with water once a month. Other forms of Ferula such as astafeda (Ferula assafoetida) and Ferula orientalis were also tested in the laboratory and shown to prevent implantation of a fertilized ova. These two fennels were not prized by the ancients. Fennel is likely a progesterone blocker.

JUNIPER (JUNIPERUS COMMUNIS OR JUNIPERUS SABINA)

Juniper was used in ancient sources and medieval sources as a contraceptive and abortifacient. It was rubbed on the penis before intercourse or taken orally. It is one of the best documented contraceptives. However, it is has mild side effects. Cypress (Cypress incompleteus) is closely related to the juniper botanically and is regarded as a menstrual regulator and an abortifacient. Peru, Paraguay, and medieval Europe used Cypress. Cypress in addition to likely progesterone blocking qualities has estrogenic activity as well.

The following herbs are able to 'bind' to the progesterone receptor - including licorice, which some people have recovered using;

Zava, PhD also identifies Bloodroot, Ocotillo, Mandrake, Oregano, Damiana, Pennyroyal, Verbenna, Nutmeg, Tumeric, Yucca, Thyme, Calamus rt., Red Clover, Goldenseal, Licorice, Mistletoe, Cumin, Fennel, Camomille, Cloves as having strong estrogenic effects.

All the above info from this page;

http://www.hormoneimbalanced.com/plantestrogen.html

Not sure whether cycling some of these natural progesterone blockers might yield some benefits? Like an RU486/ella lite sort of thing?!

 

[tanedout]

Well here we go! 2 herbs on the CDNuts list are classified as 'abortifacient' herbs!

- Ashwaghanda
- Tribulus

https://www.anniesremedy.com/abortifacient-property-96.php

 

[TubZy]

Nice work, and since CD's herbs are cycled (one herb used once every 14-22 days or so) this will make you more sensitive to progesterone again as after taking the herb the body will snap back.

Not on CD's list, but licorice root has got some good properties as well if cycled.

-Licorice lowers aldosterone sensitivity and when you get off, sodium actually falls and estrogen is raised which makes DHT sensitive

 

[TubZy]

Also, I honestly think that is how adaptogens work in general. They make your body more sensitive to hormones overall.

For example, adaptogens "train" the body so that during times of stress your body produces less cortisol and you can handle stress better.

Sounds a lot what like fasting does.

 

[wuf]

Just reading up to see if any herbs (potentially ones used in the CDNuts cycle) are natural progesterone blockers, and it seems there are a few, and they are herbs classified as abortifacients;

Miscarriages may be created by many herbs in European folk medicine. These herbs are categorized as abortifacients, but will also cause estrogen dominance. You should not take these herbs classified as abortifacients. Abortifacients are most likely to be like the "morning after" pill otherwise known as RU-486. RU-486 fits into the progesterone receptor, but does not stimulate it. RU-486 is a progesterone blocker.

QUEEN ANNE'S LACE (WILD CARROT)

From the fourth century B.C., Hippocrates wrote that Queen Anne's Lace stopped pregnancies. In 2007, Robin Bennett, an herbalist, gave 13 women Queen Anne's Lace and claimed to have a 98% success in preventing pregnancy. Historical accounts also show an abortifacient role. It is likely that it is a progesterone-blocker. There are no University or industry studies because there is no money to be made. Here is a link to her study.

Seeds harvested in the fall if taken after coitus show a strong contraceptive effect. Extracts of seeds have been tested on rats, mice, guinea pigs, and rabbits. The implantation process is disrupted, and a fertilized ovum will not implant or not implant well.

FENNEL

Used in the ancient world to prevent pregnancy and to create abortions. John Riddle researched the ancient use of silphium (a species of giant fennel) which was widely used as a contraceptive in the ancient Greek world and the Near East. It was so popular, that over harvesting caused its price to rise and by the first century of the modern era it was described as worth its weight in silver. One difficulty, is that it grew in a thirty mile band along the dry mountainside facing the Mediterranean sea. Attempts to cultivate it commercially failed and by late antiquity silphium had become extinct. Silphium had a widespread reputation of being a contraceptive and abortifacient. The standard prescription was for a woman to drink the juice from a small amount of silphium, about the size of a chickpea, with water once a month. Other forms of Ferula such as astafeda (Ferula assafoetida) and Ferula orientalis were also tested in the laboratory and shown to prevent implantation of a fertilized ova. These two fennels were not prized by the ancients. Fennel is likely a progesterone blocker.

JUNIPER (JUNIPERUS COMMUNIS OR JUNIPERUS SABINA)

Juniper was used in ancient sources and medieval sources as a contraceptive and abortifacient. It was rubbed on the penis before intercourse or taken orally. It is one of the best documented contraceptives. However, it is has mild side effects. Cypress (Cypress incompleteus) is closely related to the juniper botanically and is regarded as a menstrual regulator and an abortifacient. Peru, Paraguay, and medieval Europe used Cypress. Cypress in addition to likely progesterone blocking qualities has estrogenic activity as well.

The following herbs are able to 'bind' to the progesterone receptor - including licorice, which some people have recovered using;

Zava, PhD also identifies Bloodroot, Ocotillo, Mandrake, Oregano, Damiana, Pennyroyal, Verbenna, Nutmeg, Tumeric, Yucca, Thyme, Calamus rt., Red Clover, Goldenseal, Licorice, Mistletoe, Cumin, Fennel, Camomille, Cloves as having strong estrogenic effects.

All the above info from this page;

http://www.hormoneimbalanced.com/plantestrogen.html

Not sure whether cycling some of these natural progesterone blockers might yield some benefits? Like an RU486/ella lite sort of thing?!

Interesting.. I do remember 1 guy in PropeciaHelp who recovered and said he was eating a lot of raw carrots at work...I was wondering why, but I have always been afraid of using carrots since I read they are also anti dht..

 

[tanedout]

Nice work, and since CD's herbs are cycled (one herb used once every 14-22 days or so) this will make you more sensitive to progesterone again as after taking the herb the body will snap back.

Not on CD's list, but licorice root has got some good properties as well if cycled.

It definitely makes sense as to why he stresses the herbs must be cycled. It's basically all about the 'bounce back'. Might be that it would be even more effective taking some of the herbs for 2-3 days, then moving onto the next so that the bounce back is more pronounced.

Definitely going to keep licorice root in my routine!

 

[wuf]

Nice work, and since CD's herbs are cycled (one herb used once every 14-22 days or so) this will make you more sensitive to progesterone again as after taking the herb the body will snap back.

Not on CD's list, but licorice root has got some good properties as well if cycled.

It definitely makes sense as to why he stresses the herbs must be cycled. It's basically all about the 'bounce back'. Might be that it would be even more effective taking some of the herbs for 2-3 days, then moving onto the next so that the bounce back is more pronounced.

Definitely going to keep licorice root in my routine!

I probably already asked this, but I didn't understand the answer if anyone has even given to me one...
What if progesterone comes out in normal range?
I mean, does it make sense anyway to use something stimulating the PR?

 

[TubZy]

Nice work, and since CD's herbs are cycled (one herb used once every 14-22 days or so) this will make you more sensitive to progesterone again as after taking the herb the body will snap back.

Not on CD's list, but licorice root has got some good properties as well if cycled.

It definitely makes sense as to why he stresses the herbs must be cycled. It's basically all about the 'bounce back'. Might be that it would be even more effective taking some of the herbs for 2-3 days, then moving onto the next so that the bounce back is more pronounced.

Definitely going to keep licorice root in my routine!

I probably already asked this, but I didn't understand the answer if anyone has even given to me one...
What if progesterone comes out in normal range?
I mean, does it make sense anyway to use something stimulating the PR?

Yes, because as Gbol stated current prog levels depend on the amount of potassium in the cell at that given moment so you can still be insensitive with in range prog levels.

 

[TubZy]

Nice work, and since CD's herbs are cycled (one herb used once every 14-22 days or so) this will make you more sensitive to progesterone again as after taking the herb the body will snap back.

Not on CD's list, but licorice root has got some good properties as well if cycled.

It definitely makes sense as to why he stresses the herbs must be cycled. It's basically all about the 'bounce back'. Might be that it would be even more effective taking some of the herbs for 2-3 days, then moving onto the next so that the bounce back is more pronounced.

Definitely going to keep licorice root in my routine!

Yes, although CD says to cycle the herbs in an opposite perspective, meaning he says that cycling the herbs will give you the test boost each time, when in reality we are actually cycling the herbs to get the rebound response after the herb is out of our system over the next few days.

 

[wuf]

It definitely makes sense as to why he stresses the herbs must be cycled. It's basically all about the 'bounce back'. Might be that it would be even more effective taking some of the herbs for 2-3 days, then moving onto the next so that the bounce back is more pronounced.

Definitely going to keep licorice root in my routine!

I probably already asked this, but I didn't understand the answer if anyone has even given to me one...
What if progesterone comes out in normal range?
I mean, does it make sense anyway to use something stimulating the PR?

Yes, because as Gbol stated current prog levels depend on the amount of potassium in the cell at that given moment so you can still be insensitive with in range prog levels.

Well said.

 

[jacknap]

Nice work, and since CD's herbs are cycled (one herb used once every 14-22 days or so) this will make you more sensitive to progesterone again as after taking the herb the body will snap back.

Not on CD's list, but licorice root has got some good properties as well if cycled.

It definitely makes sense as to why he stresses the herbs must be cycled. It's basically all about the 'bounce back'. Might be that it would be even more effective taking some of the herbs for 2-3 days, then moving onto the next so that the bounce back is more pronounced.

Definitely going to keep licorice root in my routine!

Yes, although CD says to cycle the herbs in an opposite perspective, meaning he says that cycling the herbs will give you the test boost each time, when in reality we are actually cycling the herbs to get the rebound response after the herb is out of our system over the next few days.

the reality is that this situation is extremely complicated. one herb has hundreds of different minerals/vitamins/properties/antixodiants.

trying to find the exact mechanism as to why it works is almost akin to waiting for the pfs foundation to find a drug cure lol.

 

[TubZy]

It definitely makes sense as to why he stresses the herbs must be cycled. It's basically all about the 'bounce back'. Might be that it would be even more effective taking some of the herbs for 2-3 days, then moving onto the next so that the bounce back is more pronounced.

Definitely going to keep licorice root in my routine!

Yes, although CD says to cycle the herbs in an opposite perspective, meaning he says that cycling the herbs will give you the test boost each time, when in reality we are actually cycling the herbs to get the rebound response after the herb is out of our system over the next few days.

the reality is that this situation is extremely complicated. one herb has hundreds of different minerals/vitamins/properties/antixodiants.

trying to find the exact mechanism as to why it works is almost akin to waiting for the pfs foundation to find a drug cure lol.

I agree, but those were his words not mine, I think there is much more going on especially for PFS the just the "test boost". Most people here have been down that road many times already and just increasing testosterone isn't simply the answer.

Just because it is complex doesn't mean we can't speculate on how it can act especially considering what we know now and also when someone got cured from licorice root which isn't even on CD's list.

Experimentation my friend, nothing is going to be perfect.

 

[jacknap]

for sure. my initial theory although is a bleak one is that the brain needs testosterone/dht for certain structures to survive. by short circuiting the structures they can die.

this might be why r-andro runs work. It's essentially like a second puberty...

 

[freeflow]

The guy tycroz used tribulus which now looks like an anti progestin with the dht blocker tomato juice. So he just put together a natural ru486 for himself using and antiandrogen and antiprogesterone.

I had some really androgenic 1-2 days after i came off tribulus and schisandra combination. Good energy, great motivation and some agression too, much stronger at the gym.
For the next time i can add a 5ari herb too for example he shou wu, so i am blocking progesterone and dht while activating estrogen and can add thorne extra when im coming off.
Only problem is it seems i already have oversensitive progesterone receptors from low blood progesterone and high cell potassium.

But the most notable thing is i always improve AFTER coming off tribulus/pine pollen. If taken for days:On tribulus alone i feel shit, on pine pollen i feel shit. Then i come off and in some days old type of libido appears or motivation arrives. It stays for 1-3 days then i crash, some head pressure, diarrhoea and i recover from it again in a few days back to normal baseline.

 

[ruprmurdoch]

The herbs which I describe are growing almost everywhere in central europe, I use them personally:

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tansy

This plant is known to lower cortisol by lowering acth. It stimulates blood to go to your dic*. But it's very strong herb. That's why thick, flys and other non pleasant insects are afraid of it. It has so strong scent that people took this plant when they go to forest, and bad dogs, wolfs try to avoid this person. Personally I think that if cortisol is low, therefore progesterone also. PLEASE BE CAUTIOUS, beacuse absynt is made from this plant, and this plant have to be taken in small amounts (flood with 300ml boiling water one flower or 3-4 small lefs is enough, cover it by saucer for 20 min, drink no more than 1/4 of cup for first time, beacuse this stuff really lower cortisol, it's strong).

the same features represents other herb -wormwood (I do not use it), from this plant you can also obtain absinth. BOTH of the plants have key ingredient-THUJON.

2. On the other side is : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tussilago

I also used it. But this one on the other hand raise ACTH, insulin, cortisol, and as I think progesterone also. It's better than coffe, but taste is debatable. So if you have low cortisol you may try it. By increasing insulin it increas hunger. People use for lungs problems. Do not use it for long period of time, beacuse elevated cortisol and insulin for long period of time is BAD thing.

 

[TubZy]

for sure. my initial theory although is a bleak one is that the brain needs testosterone/dht for certain structures to survive. by short circuiting the structures they can die.

this might be why r-andro runs work. It's essentially like a second puberty...

Androsterone has a million different mechanisms too, but supposedly it can tank potassium, haven't used in a long time.

 

[Snell1234]

for sure. my initial theory although is a bleak one is that the brain needs testosterone/dht for certain structures to survive. by short circuiting the structures they can die.

this might be why r-andro runs work. It's essentially like a second puberty...

Androsterone has a million different mechanisms too, but supposedly it can tank potassium, haven't used in a long time.

I didn't know that about androsterone. Do you know the mechanism it does that by? If that's what it does, that also explains a lot too.

 

[TubZy]

The guy tycroz used tribulus which now looks like an anti progestin with the dht blocker tomato juice. So he just put together a natural ru486 for himself using and antiandrogen and antiprogesterone.

I had some really androgenic 1-2 days after i came off tribulus and schisandra combination. Good energy, great motivation and some agression too, much stronger at the gym.
For the next time i can add a 5ari herb too for example he shou wu, so i am blocking progesterone and dht while activating estrogen and can add thorne extra when im coming off.
Only problem is it seems i already have oversensitive progesterone receptors from low blood progesterone and high cell potassium.

But the most notable thing is i always improve AFTER coming off tribulus/pine pollen. If taken for days:On tribulus alone i feel shit, on pine pollen i feel shit. Then i come off and in some days old type of libido appears or motivation arrives. It stays for 1-3 days then i crash, some head pressure, diarrhoea and i recover from it again in a few days back to normal baseline.

Very interesting, trib was never good for me same as tongkat, which could maybe be a good thing now. Schisandra I felt pretty good on.

If you any of the herbs combos you mentioned, let us know, I think it would be good.

 

[TubZy]

for sure. my initial theory although is a bleak one is that the brain needs testosterone/dht for certain structures to survive. by short circuiting the structures they can die.

this might be why r-andro runs work. It's essentially like a second puberty...

Androsterone has a million different mechanisms too, but supposedly it can tank potassium, haven't used in a long time.

I didn't know that about androsterone. Do you know the mechanism it does that by? If that's what it does, that also explains a lot too.

I forget, I have to find it again, pretty sure gbol mentioned something about it in the RP PFS thread, would have to search for it again or [mention]gbolduev[/mention] can maybe chime in

 

[freeflow]

The guy tycroz used tribulus which now looks like an anti progestin with the dht blocker tomato juice. So he just put together a natural ru486 for himself using and antiandrogen and antiprogesterone.

I had some really androgenic 1-2 days after i came off tribulus and schisandra combination. Good energy, great motivation and some agression too, much stronger at the gym.
For the next time i can add a 5ari herb too for example he shou wu, so i am blocking progesterone and dht while activating estrogen and can add thorne extra when im coming off.
Only problem is it seems i already have oversensitive progesterone receptors from low blood progesterone and high cell potassium.

But the most notable thing is i always improve AFTER coming off tribulus/pine pollen. If taken for days:On tribulus alone i feel shit, on pine pollen i feel shit. Then i come off and in some days old type of libido appears or motivation arrives. It stays for 1-3 days then i crash, some head pressure, diarrhoea and i recover from it again in a few days back to normal baseline.

Very interesting, trib was never good for me same as tongkat, which could maybe be a good thing now. Schisandra I felt pretty good on.

If you any of the herbs combos you mentioned, let us know, I think it would be good.

I will probably create a log and do 3 day trials of tribulus+schisandra+he shou wu and pine pollen+schisandra+he shou wu.

Today i took he shou wu and penis feels light and erections are gone, just like with any 5aris i used.

Feeling shit on tongkat but i never had a bounce back from it, i cannot kill my aromataze enzyme. While on trib/pine pollen alone it feels bad and weak too but i have the bounce back and the weakness and bad feeling was much less when i added schisandra.