Niles' Hair Analysis Results

[Aleksandr]

@Niles how did you get that you'd be on 1300mg of magnesium for example? the supplement regime you posted above was:


"GB3
Pancreatin 4 X USP (porcine)
160 mg *Black Radish Root (raphanus sativus)
130 mg*Ox Bile Extract

PARAMIN
133 IU Vit D3
250 mg Calcium Citrate
15 mg Magnesium Citrate
500 mcg Boron Glycinate

LIMCOMIN
750 IU Vitamin A (from vitamin A palmitate)
50 mg Vitamin C (as ascorbic acid)
10 mg Vitamin B6 (from pyridoxine HCI)
20mg Magnesium (from magnesium hydrolyzed rice protein chelate)
0.75 mg Copper (from copper hydrolyzed rice protein chelate)
8 mg Zinc (from zinc hydrolyzed rice protein chelate)
5 mg Manganese (from manganese hydrolyzed rice protein chelate)

Vit D3 5000 IU

EPA/DHA 3000

TMG 1000 mg

TAURINE 1000 mg"



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Wheres the 1300mg magnesium here? paramin has 15mg, limcomin has 20mg. .. so thats 35mg? if you take it 3x a day thats still just 105mg?

 

[Aleksandr]

BTW is this from a Dr. Wilson practitioner?

 

[Niles]

@Niles how did you get that you'd be on 1300mg of magnesium for example? the supplement regime you posted above was:


"GB3
Pancreatin 4 X USP (porcine)
160 mg *Black Radish Root (raphanus sativus)
130 mg*Ox Bile Extract

PARAMIN
133 IU Vit D3
250 mg Calcium Citrate
15 mg Magnesium Citrate
500 mcg Boron Glycinate

LIMCOMIN
750 IU Vitamin A (from vitamin A palmitate)
50 mg Vitamin C (as ascorbic acid)
10 mg Vitamin B6 (from pyridoxine HCI)
20mg Magnesium (from magnesium hydrolyzed rice protein chelate)
0.75 mg Copper (from copper hydrolyzed rice protein chelate)
8 mg Zinc (from zinc hydrolyzed rice protein chelate)
5 mg Manganese (from manganese hydrolyzed rice protein chelate)

Vit D3 5000 IU

EPA/DHA 3000

TMG 1000 mg

TAURINE 1000 mg"



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Wheres the 1300mg magnesium here? paramin has 15mg, limcomin has 20mg. .. so thats 35mg? if you take it 3x a day thats still just 105mg?

I actually had a typo there, just edited it - Paramin has 150mg of magnesium, not 15mg. She wanted me taking 3 in the morning, 2 in the afternoon, and 3 at night, which is 1200mg before even factoring in the magnesium in the Limcomin.

 

[Niles]

BTW is this from a Dr. Wilson practitioner?

Yep, she is, even featured on his site. It's taking awhile to get used to some of the more new-agey parts of it, but trying to believe in it via the science of stress reduction and placebo lol. Trying to turn myself into a more suggestable personality type isn't easy

 

[Aleksandr]

Yep, she is, even featured on his site. It's taking awhile to get used to some of the more new-agey parts of it, but trying to believe in it via the science of stress reduction and placebo lol. Trying to turn myself into a more suggestable personality type isn't easy

Yeah thats what I thought when i started seeing things about chakras on your report lol. IMO that stuff sounds crazy. Just try to reduce stress, eat a decent diet, and those minerals should help you come out of 4 lows. No need to become a devotee to spirituality to have good health

Also, it might be cheaper to take other supplements than the ones they suggest also. Magnesium chloride is really cheap. I'm sure you can get a cheap calcium and others as well. If you've already ordered a batch no worries just take that, but once you run out maybe just try the cheaper ones like mg chloride and see if they have the same effect.

 

[Niles]

Question:

My practitioner told me to specifically stop taking potassium based on my hair analysis, saying it would be "toxic" in my state. Instead she really wants me going hard on calcium and magnesium.

Can anyone see why I should follow her advice and stop taking potassium, based on my test results? I'd really like to continue with the full electrolyte protocol.


[EDIT]
Found this on Dr. Wilson's site:

"If a person with a four lows pattern tries to raise the sodium and potassium levels, the body tends to lower the calcium and magnesium levels further. However, since this would be very dangerous, it does not happen and the person does not respond or may get worse."

It goes on to say something to the effect of needing to raise calcium/magnesium first to allow the body to stabilize in slow oxidation and allow for recovery of sodium/potassium.

This makes sense to me, but hard for me to swallow since it's a difficult multi-step process :/

 

[Niles]

Question:

My practitioner told me to specifically stop taking potassium based on my hair analysis, saying it would be "toxic" in my state. Instead she really wants me going hard on calcium and magnesium.

Can anyone see why I should follow her advice and stop taking potassium, based on my test results?


[EDIT]
Found this on Dr. Wilson's site:

"If a person with a four lows pattern tries to raise the sodium and potassium levels, the body tends to lower the calcium and magnesium levels further. However, since this would be very dangerous, it does not happen and the person does not respond or may get worse."

It goes on to say something to the effect of needing to raise calcium/magnesium first to allow the body to stabilize in slow oxidation and allow for recovery of sodium/potassium.

This makes sense to me, but hard for me to swallow since it's a difficult multi-step process :/

Aha, I knew this sounded familiar!:

Calcium and Magnesium for Post-Finasteride Syndrome Recovery

Maybe my PFS memory isn't as bad as I thought, haha.

On Japanther's old site, he has a really good write up on why calcium/magnesium supplementation is necessary for PFS recovery. So maybe there's more to this magnesium/calcium loading strategy for 4 lows than I initially thought...

Talking to myself here lol.

 

[Niles]

Since my hair analysis seems to indicate that I'm currently "spinning my wheels", I'm gonna give this whole "slowing" strategy a fair shake. This means dialing back my b-vit supps.

Most b-complexes have ridiculous amounts of b-vits that you just end up pissing out after they get you as jacked up as they can, so I was able to find this relatively mild b-complex that might be good for those of us trying to come out of four lows:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B078V2VLCT/

If those %DVs look high, you should check out other b-complex supps lol. This one is super tame in comparison.

Also noticed that @Raincoast used lower doses of b-vits while getting out of his situation.

 

[Niles]

So here's what I'm planning on moving forward with:

Calcium: 750mg 2x/day
Magnesium: 490mg 2x/day
Boron: 1.5mg 2x/day
Vitamin A: 1500mg 2x/day
Vitamin C: 1g 1x/day
Copper: 1.5mg 2x/day
Zinc: 16mg 2x/day
Manganese: 10mg 2x/day
Vit D3: 5000 IU 1x/day
TMG: 1000mg 2x/day
Taurine: 1000mg 2x/day
Thiamine: 5mg
Riboflavin: 10mg
Niacin: 30mg
Vitamin B6: 5mg
Folate: 400mcg
Vitamin B12: 24mcg
EAAs: 1x/day
Shilajit: 1x/day
Lysine HCl: 2.5g 2x/day (M-F)
Arginine: 1g 2x/day (Sat-Sun)

With meals:
Ox Bile: 250mg
TUDCA: 250mg
HCl OR Digestive Bitters: Play it by ear
Biozyme: 1 suggested serving
Artichoke Extract: 450mg
KCl: 400mg (elemental)
Sea Salt: 1/4 tsp

I've based this stack on the ARL suggestions, the electrolyte protocol, and a bit of my own research.

@mattyb @gbolduev - not asking for a full critique of this stack, but would either of you mind telling me if there's anything in here that would hurt me based on my hair test? Two main suggestions given by ARL were to go heavy on the calcium and magnesium and to supplement zinc, copper, manganese, and boron. Thanks.

 

[mattyb]

That's a fuck load of supplements LOL. Too many.

I would honestly just recommend you use a food scale and Cronometer and get all your nutrients from food. And just add in an active b-complex a few times a week, electrolytes, acid precursor (betaine HCl, lysine, etc.), biozyme, and maybe take a boron supplement if you aren't eating many beans/legumes. Shilajit is a maybe, but I honestly don't know that much about it and have no personal experience with it.

I don't really know what ox bile, TUDCA, and artichoke extract do. And I don't see why you couldn't just eat a good diet to get the rest.

 

[MNK99]

Can you eat a good diet to get most vitamins and skip the chronometer?
People around me already think I'm crazy, and trying to explain things to them will make me go outside and beat someone down.

I guess there's a big difference between being healthy and trying to balance things in favor of the hair analysis recommendations.

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Update: Nice, I see @mattyb. Thanks.

 

[Niles]

That's a fuck load of supplements LOL. Too many.

I would honestly just recommend you use a food scale and Cronometer and get all your nutrients from food. And just add in an active b-complex a few times a week, electrolytes, acid precursor (betaine HCl, lysine, etc.), biozyme, and maybe take a boron supplement if you aren't eating many beans/legumes. Shilajit is a maybe, but I honestly don't know that much about it and have no personal experience with it.

I don't really know what ox bile, TUDCA, and artichoke extract do. And I don't see why you couldn't just eat a good diet to get the rest.

Thanks! I've got quite the hole to dig myself out of since I've been malnourished for so long, which is why I chose to supplement. But I'll start with chronometer, lysine, electrolytes, biozyme, boron, EAAs, and b-complex first and add anything else in slowly as I see fit.

 

[mattyb]

@MNK99 Well, you probably don't have to use a food scale if you're good at estimating portion size, then you can just get away with that.

And you don't have to cronometer every day, just consistently only at first. Once you establish a fairly consistent pattern of food intake you'll have a pretty good idea if you met RDIs if your food intake today looked like your food intake yesterday. You'd just have to use cronometer on days when your food intake is outside your regular norm, and every now and then when you make small adjustments to your diet.

 

[Niles]

That's a fuck load of supplements LOL. Too many.

I would honestly just recommend you use a food scale and Cronometer and get all your nutrients from food. And just add in an active b-complex a few times a week, electrolytes, acid precursor (betaine HCl, lysine, etc.), biozyme, and maybe take a boron supplement if you aren't eating many beans/legumes. Shilajit is a maybe, but I honestly don't know that much about it and have no personal experience with it.

I don't really know what ox bile, TUDCA, and artichoke extract do. And I don't see why you couldn't just eat a good diet to get the rest.

I've been trying to find a source explaining how Lysine is a precursor to stomach acid, but I haven't had any luck. Would you mind explaining how that works?

 

[mattyb]

I've been trying to find a source explaining how Lysine is a precursor to stomach acid, but I haven't had any luck. Would you mind explaining how that works?

It's not a precursor to stomach acid directly. When taken in excess, lysine is broken down and metabolized. Lysine is a positive amino acid that is saturated with H+ ions. When metabolized those H+ molecules are liberated, and this raises the acidity of the entire system. It's one of the treatment options for treatment resistant metabolic alkalosis.

 

[Niles]

It's not a precursor to stomach acid directly. When taken in excess, lysine is broken down and metabolized. Lysine is a positive amino acid that is saturated with H+ ions. When metabolized those H+ molecules are liberated, and this raises the acidity of the entire system. It's one of the treatment options for treatment resistant metabolic alkalosis.

Thank you!

 

[Niles]

Oy vey... It seems like the limcomin they've put me on may be killing my libido/erections. From 30% to 0. Plus shrinkage. I can't say for certain it's the limcomin, but it's the only thing in my regimen that I imagine could cause it.

Limcomin:
Vitamin A: 750 IU
Vitamin C: 50 mg
Vitamin B6: 10 mg
Magnesium: 20 mg
Copper: 0.75 mg
Zinc: 8 mg
Manganese: 5 mg

2 tabs twice a day, so that's 32mg Zinc and 3mg Copper. Maybe one of these is the culprit? I hate this...

[EDIT]
Unless this is one of those "it gets worse before it gets better" scenarios - anyone ever powered through zinc/copper castration? It seems like my skin oil is returning, and my skin is a bit better, but super bummed to have lost the little sexual improvement I had been experiencing. I'll probably keep with this recommended dose for a few more days, monitor symptoms, and if they persist drop my dose by half daily or go EOD for a couple weeks and report the results.

 

[Aleksandr]

The problem with all these supplements is you might not know what worked. Yeah potassium decreases calcium, not great if ur in 4 lows. But it can be good to get your magnesium higher than your ca if it isnt already