Orion Hairtest - Mar2018

[Orion]

New hairtest results arrived. This is taken 2 months after the 54day Breuss fast.

Labelled as slow oxidizer #1, and recommendation are for the gboldeuv diet basically with HCl and electrolytes.

I am low in Na, K, P, Mn, B, and Mo and my Zn might be too high

Main issues still are; oily face and scalp, aggressive hair shedding and long deep sleep.

I am currently into a 30 day water, and will restart the HCl and electrolyte protocol after the fast, and focus on foods for P, Mn, B and Mn.

@mattyb @gbolduev @m_arch @HerrFisch and forum members, any other thoughts appreciated.

 

[mattyb]

Did you have an old hair test? Can you post that for comparison? I tried looking and couldn't find one.

 

[Orion]

Did you have an old hair test? Can you post that for comparison? I tried looking and couldn't find one.

Added the attachment to the post from, test from two years ago.

 

[mattyb]

You need to start eating more legumes to raise boron and molybdenum levels. Beans, chickpeas, peas, lentils, raisins, and oats (in that order).

You've been deficient in those for two years, so I'm guessing it's because of a large gap in your diet. I wouldn't even bother with a long fast at this point until you fix this issue.

 

[Orion]

You need to start eating more legumes to raise boron and molybdenum levels. Beans, chickpeas, peas, lentils, raisins, and oats (in that order).

You've been deficient in those for two years, so I'm guessing it's because of a large gap in your diet. I wouldn't even bother with a long fast at this point until you fix this issue.

Yep that would be the Peating, avoid beans and legumes. Thanks

 

[Orion]

Here are the food recommendations, beans are suggested:

FOODS TO AVOID UNTIL THE NEXT EVALUATION
Alcohol
Almonds
Apple Juice
Avocado oil
Avocados
Bacon
Bologna
Braunschweiger
Bread - White
Butter
Cakes
Candy
Cheese - All
Cocoa
Coconut Oil
Corn Chips
Cream
Duck
Goose
Grape Juice
Grapefruit Juice
Heart
Hazelnuts
Honey
Kidney
Knockwurst
Liver
Liverwurst
Mackerel
Margarine
Milk
Peanut Butter
Peanuts
Pork
Pork Links
Salad Dressing
Salami
Sardines
Sardines - Canned
Soda Sugar
Tuna - Canned
Walnuts
Yogurt


FOODS THAT MAY BE INCREASED IN THE DIET
Bass
Beans - Green
Beans - Lima
Beans - Pinto
Beef - Lean
Brazil Nuts
Chicken - Baked
Cod
Eggs
Fish - Broiled
Flounder
Grains - Whole
Legumes
Lobster
Perch
Pike - Broiled
Pumpkin Seeds
Ribs
Rice - Bran
Steak - Round
Steak - Sirloin
Swordfish Trout Tuna
Turkey
Vegetable Juice
Wheat Germ

 

[wuf]

New hairtest results arrived. This is taken 2 months after the 54day Breuss fast.

Labelled as slow oxidizer #1, and recommendation are for the gboldeuv diet basically with HCl and electrolytes.

I am low in Na, K, P, Mn, B, and Mo and my Zn might be too high

Main issues still are; oily face and scalp, aggressive hair shedding and long deep sleep.

I am currently into a 30 day water, and will restart the HCl and electrolyte protocol after the fast, and focus on foods for P, Mn, B and Mn.

@mattyb @gbolduev @m_arch @HerrFisch and forum members, any other thoughts appreciated.

So, Orion, my curiosity.
You claim of feeling well and good.
How is it possible since so different imbalances?
So that means that people feeling much worse, would have quiete more imbalances?

 

[Aleksandr]

New hairtest results arrived. This is taken 2 months after the 54day Breuss fast.

Labelled as slow oxidizer #1, and recommendation are for the gboldeuv diet basically with HCl and electrolytes.

I am low in Na, K, P, Mn, B, and Mo and my Zn might be too high

Main issues still are; oily face and scalp, aggressive hair shedding and long deep sleep.

I am currently into a 30 day water, and will restart the HCl and electrolyte protocol after the fast, and focus on foods for P, Mn, B and Mn.

@mattyb @gbolduev @m_arch @HerrFisch and forum members, any other thoughts appreciated.

Good on you for getting retested.

How do you feel about these results?
Its interesting your k has gone down so much. Also interesting you still feel shedding despite having higher mg to na. I wonder if this is due to low phosphorus, is it the protein wasting/diffuse thinning hair loss type?

Sorry to hear your oiliness is coming back too! I wonder have you ever had a dna test?


Also i agree with mattyb, it looks like you need to work on your molyb and boron first as the priority. Molyb with mattyb. Also you only recently finished that huge bruess fast, i suspect that fasting will lower phosphorus which you dont want

 

[Orion]

So, Orion, my curiosity.
You claim of feeling well and good.
How is it possible since so different imbalances?
So that means that people feeling much worse, would have quiete more imbalances?

I do feel well in general(no mental or sexual sides), but still have issues, oily skin, hair shedding and would like to be able to sleep deep for longer then 6hrs. Will work on the mineral imbalances and see what comes of it.

 

[Orion]

Good on you for getting retested.

How do you feel about these results?
Its interesting your k has gone down so much. Also interesting you still feel shedding despite having higher mg to na. I wonder if this is due to low phosphorus, is it the protein wasting/diffuse thinning hair loss type?

Sorry to hear your oiliness is coming back too! I wonder have you ever had a dna test?


Also i agree with mattyb, it looks like you need to work on your molyb and boron first as the priority. Molyb with mattyb. Also you only recently finished that huge bruess fast, i suspect that fasting will lower phosphorus which you dont want

I do like these results, as they give a clear picture of what I need to work on. I think K came down hard, due to the betaine and not taking enough K with it. I also think I was eating a carb to protein ratio that was not big enough, I will be seriously upping the protein. I have not had a DNA test.

Got such good results from the long fast, that I started this new water only fast, I think will stop the fast this weekend, and start on the new refeed, focusing on getting my Na, K and P up along with Mo and Bo. Will be doing next hairtest in July.

 

[Nina]

I think the oily skin could be from prolactin, any idea if its high?

 

[Orion]

I think the oily skin could be from prolactin, any idea if its high?

When testing with manganese which increases prolactin, I get oilier skin right away. But lisuride, B6 and active B6 which are supposed to lower prolactin never helped.

Someday will have to get blood levels tested... but calcium levels are good on this test, so I suspect normal prolactin levels.

 

[Nina]

When testing with manganese which increases prolactin, I get oilier skin right away. But lisuride, B6 and active B6 which are supposed to lower prolactin never helped.

Someday will have to get blood levels tested... but calcium levels are good on this test, so I suspect normal prolactin levels.

B6 increases serotonin so i wouldn’t use that. Are you still taking manganese? If so i’d drop it and just take zinc if its ok for you

 

[TubZy]

When testing with manganese which increases prolactin, I get oilier skin right away. But lisuride, B6 and active B6 which are supposed to lower prolactin never helped.

Someday will have to get blood levels tested... but calcium levels are good on this test, so I suspect normal prolactin levels.

how are your estrogen levels?

 

[Orion]

B6 increases serotonin so i wouldn’t use that. Are you still taking manganese? If so i’d drop it and just take zinc if its ok for you

I dropped all supps in Jan, Zn and Mn are covered in my diet nicely, and Zn shows good levels on the hairtest. Planning on eating more legumes, beans and oats for Mn.

Planning on small extra doses of lithium orotate(low on test), Boron and Molybdenum couple times during week, they are really low on the test.

And loading up on protein for Phosphorus(low), and continuing with betaine for protein/nutrient assimalation and Na and K for electrolytes(both low)

 

[Orion]

how are your estrogen levels?

Never tested them, so not sure. But always assumed probably higher then normal, with lots of alcohol, PUFA, general bad diet consumed in youth. Doing Peat things to lower estrogen never seemed to help any symptoms. The long fast has been the best thing I have done period.

 

[TubZy]

Never tested them, so not sure. But always assumed probably higher then normal, with lots of alcohol, PUFA, general bad diet consumed in youth. Doing Peat things to lower estrogen never seemed to help any symptoms. The long fast has been the best thing I have done period.

Could be worth getting a hormone panel done. Estrogen could be pushing prolactin up.

Also, you mentioned sebum issues, have you tried cold showers? Does it change anything?

 

[Orion]

Could be worth getting a hormone panel done. Estrogen could be pushing prolactin up.

Also, you mentioned sebum issues, have you tried cold showers? Does it change anything?

Ya I have done the caveman, no shampoo, cold showers... never helped. But will add back in some cold shower time!

 

[MNK99]

Speaking of avoiding beans. Is it true that all of them (every kind) are estrogenic?
I always stayed away from soy beans, soy milk, edamame, etc. I was told by a semi-reliable source that they are ALL estrogenic. I proceeded to throw away some green beans (I don't like them anyways). Kidney beans, lima beans, chola, lentils also?

 

[Orion]

Kidney beans, lima beans, chola, lentils also?

I think these should be safe, lower in fat content so less PUFA. I planned on using them, but not in massive amounts.