PFS almost cured

Jaxx

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I think the idea is to give our receptors a little longer on the bounce back to get used to normalizing with the increase load of DHT. I think at 2-3 days, we would be keeping DHT suppressed pretty regularly. But then again, as you say, it worked for someone, so......
he used paxil, which has a half life of 21h, perhaps thats different for Fin
 

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Pfs isn’t the actual liver itself but the liver gets hurt with excess toxicity, unable to detox body due to shift in immune system from pfs.

Also glucuronidation system gets hit by pfs, part of liver detox system.

Pfs just allows this bad liver health to happen.

I think fasting regularly puts body in good antioxidant based system where body is more able to handle toxicity to make up for struggling pfs detox system.
 

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I feel like it is part hormonal, part liver. Maybe the liver can't process, but it is definitely more hormonal than anything. I was perusing the site a couple days ago and saw someone reference a log on propeciahelp about someone who received a liver transplant and still had PFS. Hate the sound of that.
Sure. Just read melcangi study, it is not about liver.
 

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he used paxil, which has a half life of 21h, perhaps thats different for Fin
Why not using a softer dht killer?
I mean finasteride is a fucking strong killer, there are softer dht killers to try i guess.
 

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He is not treating any patient.
I asked him to give me a cure but he still doesn't know how to act, already not enough studies...

You don't need studies to come up with a cure smh...

They could already be working on a cure without doing so much studies...This is just a way to prolong this process either because a. the researchers make more money from slow studies or b. they don't believe there is a cure.

The sad thing is these researchers have access to lab rats and the proper control environment to test several methods for recovery. And rats can show permanent solutions within 1 to 2 years of protocol.

They should also be testing rats offspring but they haven't in 10 plus years of PFS foundation?

Melcangi and them all sound like a scam to me...

If Helen had a lab, I'd donate...

F the foundation.
 
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wuf

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You don't need studies to come up with a cure smh...

They could already be working on a cure without doing so much studies...This is just a way to prolong this process either because a. the researchers make more money from slow studies or b. they don't believe there is a cure.

The sad thing is these researchers have access to lab rats and the proper control environment to test several methods for recovery. And rats can show permanent solutions within 1 to 2 years of protocol.

They should also be testing rats offspring but they haven't in 10 plus years of PFS foundation?

Melcangi and them all sound like a scam to me...

If Helen had a lab, I'd donate...

F the foundation.
OK. Tomorrow I will call him again and I will fix an appointment in his studio.
I will go there talking straight to his eyes like an italian mafia guy... since half of my family is from Sicily and we have real shit mafia contacts down there (though I am a good guy), if he won't accept my offer of asking help and give us a fast peotocol... Next month guns come out and somebody Will get hurt. It's a deal..)))
 

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OK. Tomorrow I will call him again and I will fix an appointment in his studio.
I will go there talking straight to his eyes like an italian mafia guy... since half of my family is from Sicily and we have real shit mafia contacts down there (though I am a good guy), if he won't accept my offer of asking help and give us a fast peotocol... Next month guns come out and somebody Will get hurt. It's a deal..)))
Love how you ended with the )))
 

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You could do something like dissolving a 1mg pill in 4ml of water and mix it up vigorously. Then each ML of water would contain 0.25mg of fin and then you take way less than that by just keep going down on the amount of water you draw (i.e. 1/2ML of water would contain 0.125mg)
Oh yeah. I would .5 or .25. Probably .25 pill dissolved. Don’t know how stable it is in the mixture. I know with homeopathy, we have to add a few drops of vodka to the tincture so it lasts
 

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If Helen had a lab, I'd donate...

F the foundation.

So true. They don’t get the body. Researchers etc... they don’t see the body as a whole. They look at hormones that’s it.

I guarantee if they do find a cure- it only works for those with just sexual side effects and small mental issues. People with severe mental issues won’t get any relief. They gotta treat other internal factors I believe like decreasing pathogen load and balancing immune system.

Funny thing is that Axoloti over on propeciahelp, the loser leader who banned me, has the horrible mental symptoms. He’s the guy rallying for donations lol. They come up with cure and he’s in the 5-10% that it won’t help I guarantee it if it happens the fucking loser.
 

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Funny thing is that Axoloti over on propeciahelp, the loser leader who banned me, has the horrible mental symptoms. He’s the guy rallying for donations lol. They come up with cure and he’s in the 5-10% that it won’t help I guarantee it if it happens the fucking loser.
Rallying for donations? No wonder he was chosen out of hundreds to be admin and run the board for Mew/Awor if money for the "foundation" meaning themselves is all they care about. Mew's relationship and favoritism towards Axoloti reminds me of teenage homos living off an older sugardaddy in exchange for sexual favors.

He had PFS less than a year and he was 20 years old with no science background and completely illiterate in medicine until he arrived at PH and in a matter of months he was made the warden and ran dozens of experienced members off the board who had contributed a lot and who had been there for years. Axoloti edits your posts and bans you without warning for mentioning perspectives not authorized by Mew and the surest way to get banned is to mention the guys on hack. It's like a paranoid cult there now, you can get banned for saying you're going look for a cure or donate money to studies not tied to the foundation.
 
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Update: last week I took two very low dose ( one drop) of avodart. My thinking was to very slowly and carefully decrease Dht. I was very intrigued with the current discussion so I decided to change to propecia for a few reasons. Avodart has such a long half life, if u overshoot it will take time to re adjust protocol. Others have been cured using fin but not dut. So I took est 1/4 of propecia yesterday. About an hour after I took it I felt like I had more energy. I had like a slight pressure in my head but not painful like a headache. It was more like a slight amphetamine type feeling. So overall I felt better like this was doing something. Unfortunately I didn’t have any change in libido. Morning wood this morning was maybe stronger. I still get MW pretty regularly so that’s not a good measure. Since last week I’ve lost 5 lbs. I’m about 10lbs heavier with pfs and less muscle mass. My weight fluctuates but the loss seems significant and a good sign.
I got brand name propecia because I’ve thought in the past, what if it’s the crap generic formulation that is part of the problem. I’ll post my ongoing results in my log, unless it’s thought we should keep the protocol in here.
 

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Update: last week I took two very low dose ( one drop) of avodart. My thinking was to very slowly and carefully decrease Dht. I was very intrigued with the current discussion so I decided to change to propecia for a few reasons. Avodart has such a long half life, if u overshoot it will take time to re adjust protocol. Others have been cured using fin but not dut. So I took est 1/4 of propecia yesterday. About an hour after I took it I felt like I had more energy. I had like a slight pressure in my head but not painful like a headache. It was more like a slight amphetamine type feeling. So overall I felt better like this was doing something. Unfortunately I didn’t have any change in libido. Morning wood this morning was maybe stronger. I still get MW pretty regularly so that’s not a good measure. Since last week I’ve lost 5 lbs. I’m about 10lbs heavier with pfs and less muscle mass. My weight fluctuates but the loss seems significant and a good sign.
I got brand name propecia because I’ve thought in the past, what if it’s the crap generic formulation that is part of the problem. I’ll post my ongoing results in my log, unless it’s thought we should keep the protocol in here.


DHT increases aldosterone, so if you inhibit Dht, aldo goes down, and there is more potassium. in the body, this speeds up metabolism, thus you lost weight

People who took duta, kept DHT at very very low level for a long time. and this could increase DHT sensitivity and decrease estrogen sensitivity( may be ) after quitting the drug.

that is why symptoms are close to those like on Aromatase inhibitor.


this is why some people got cured from PFS by going on letro(AI) for 6 months and then getting off. LIbido will be pretty much zero on this, while doing this.

May be this is the reason some feel people better on progesterone, since progesterone upregulates Estrogen receptors.

This is why some people feel super bad on zinc, and then better when they get off TEI program.


people are impatient on the TEI program, but they should understand that even going on fin, or letro, of whatever, also wont be fast.

Read this guys log , it will be a year or so. many many months no matter which route people will be taking IMO
 
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DHT increases aldosterone, so if you inhibit Dht, aldo goes down, and there is more potassium. in the body, this speeds up metabolism, thus you lost weight



people are impatient on the TEI program, but they should understand that even going on fin, or letro, of whatever, also wont be fast.

Read this guys log , it will be a year or so. many many months no matter which route people will be taking IMO
I have super high Aldosterone out of the top range and high DHT and High potassium in blood, sure about this statement?
How is that possible then that you got out from PFS in few weeks for 3 times?
 

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OK. Tomorrow I will call him again and I will fix an appointment in his studio.
I will go there talking straight to his eyes like an italian mafia guy... since half of my family is from Sicily and we have real shit mafia contacts down there (though I am a good guy), if he won't accept my offer of asking help and give us a fast peotocol... Next month guns come out and somebody Will get hurt. It's a deal..)))
This is how it should work. :) MSD doesn't want the cure cause then all drugs would be no more necessary. And in my opinion they want to fuck up men as well in Europe and the US. MSD and their docs are our enemies! Not friends. The foundation just wants to distract and calm us down.
I can tell you if some of those MSD dermatologists would be k.....in different countries, there would be a solution in no time. Have you ever heard of k....docs due to angry patients? Almost no cases.
Pharma wants us to believe in their drugsellers. That's why k..... them would hurt all of them. Docs are evil. And they know it.
 

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I have super high Aldosterone out of the top range and high DHT and High potassium in blood, sure about this statement?
How is that possible then that you got out from PFS in few weeks for 3 times?
Yes I second this. How come you got out of it so quickly but now it’s going to take a year? @Helen
 

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I took fin for 3 days. and immediately fed needed things
If we restore glutathione systems, shouldn’t it just take the time for the crap to be taken out of our liver and brains and then receptors to adjust until we are better? B2 I’m fairly sure does this and then takes a long time for its full effects to be seen.
 

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If we restore glutathione systems, shouldn’t it just take the time for the crap to be taken out of our liver and brains and then receptors to adjust until we are better? B2 I’m fairly sure does this and then takes a long time for its full effects to be seen.
I don't understand that theory: some ppl stop and have no issues. Then fin wouldn't be in the cells anymore. Why should it be in ours?
Gluthatione recycling is impaired in us. This alone allows toxins to act everywhere.
But this alone cannot explain all symptoms. Personal opinion.
 

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Yes I second this. How come you got out of it so quickly but now it’s going to take a year? @Helen

Let’s be realistic here.... Helen has been a Health psycho for majority of 2010s. I mean, how many days has he fasted over the past 5-8 years or so ?? How many tei, ARL cycles?

So he’s already in clean environment with likely low pathogen, virus, toxicity loads. He was likely balanced in terms of nutrition to good degree.

He just hurt body chemistry with pfs again. And I do think pfs can be quick fix if body chemistry is only issue.

When I’m healthy (Lyme symptoms in good place) I react to “hackstasis pfs treatments” 10x better. So it makes sense.