PFS looking for advice

[kknd269]

Hi all, Just heard of this new forum, so I am gonna post my original post here. Things are not getting better right now, I do not have depression and panic attack anymore but physcial problems are still here.

I am new to PFS, I have been suffering it for the 4th week now.

I tried to post my story at PH but I could not . below is link at solvepfs.com

http://www.solvepfs.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2021

I quit the drug because notice that one day I had really soft erection and premature ejaculation. 2 days after I stopped it, It became complete impotence. Later on more symptons developed, I started to wake up tired after 4 hour of sleep every night. I tried to do heavy exercise (a really bad call), and my body crashed after, I could not do exercise due to fast heart beat and excessive sweating. (At that time I was traveling in China/UK). Then after I came back to US, I had few days of insomnia (no sleep at all).

I started to take supplement like Vit B/C/D and L arginine.

I quit the drug on Sep,09,2017

My first lab result (09/16/2017)

TEST
PRL 13.89 ng/ml 4.04-15.2
T 11.92 nmol/l 8.64-29
E2 72.15 pmol/l 94.8-223
FSH 7.6 IU/L 1.5-12.4
LH 5.6 iu/L 1.7-8.6
PROG 1.3 nmol/l <4.3

2nd lab result (09/30/2017)

T is 261 300-1000 below normal now
FT is 2.6% 1.3-2.9%

FT(cal) 64 40-220
SHBG is 13 10-60
TSH 1.3 0.5-5
Prolactin is 14.6 4-13
LH 1.8 1-9
FSH 7 1-19.4

I had one day recovery on 09/17/2017 when I had wet dream and erections during the day.



Recently I could sleep for 3hr+3hr ish . And had few hard erection when I woke up in the middle of the sleep. My depression and anxiaty has not appeared for few days. But I’m still having fast heart beat and cold sweating, I could not get my penis hard no matter what I do during the day. I am not sure if I am recovering.

I posted those at different places but no one gave me any reply and advice. I am really desperate now. I am meeting with my endo in 2 weeks. Waiting game is killing me. Do I need to take further action or Should I wait it longer and give it more time ? I feel my body is getting better but fatigue/impotence just won’t go away…..

 

[joekool]

Re: PFD looking for advice

<t>Hey... The quicker you get that prolactin down, the quicker you can likely feel better... research what cabergoline is... and pramipexole... and metergoline from IdealLabs<br/>
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Then post your ideas as to what you learned about them here... so we know you researched them... so you have a means to begin recovery<br/>
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It'll happen...</t>

 

[IHateFin]

That is a shame, my man.

Even tho PFS is hell on earth there is One positive thing here and that is that you have just crashed. I believe it has been mentioned maybe by gboldev or someone else (as I don't entirely remember who said it) but the longer you have PFS the harder it can be to cure so taking action now and making the right moves can be crucial!!!

For me the supplement that brought me from night to day almost immediately and kick started me trying to cure this mess was tongkat Ali 200:1 extract.

I also recommend something to lower prolactin for sure. Prog is low so that may not be of a huge issue rn.

 

[kknd269]

That is a shame, my man.

Even tho PFS is hell on earth there is One positive thing here and that is that you have just crashed. I believe it has been mentioned maybe by gboldev or someone else (as I don't entirely remember who said it) but the longer you have PFS the harder it can be to cure so taking action now and making the right moves can be crucial!!!

For me the supplement that brought me from night to day almost immediately and kick started me trying to cure this mess was tongkat Ali 200:1 extract.

I also recommend something to lower prolactin for sure. Prog is low so that may not be of a huge issue rn.

Thanks for the response. I am trying to figure a way to recover now. There are so many protocols and I am not sure which one to follow.

My recent lab result shows that my Prolactin is decreasing to 8.3 now. Free T increased a little too. My endo put some tyrosine liquid on my arm and try to figure if there is something wrong with my thyroid. I am feeling better recently. There is no depression and anxiety. I can fall sleep and get 3-5 hrs sleep then I will wake up and have to fall sleep for another 2-3 hours now. I have refreshing feeling when I wake up but not strong. Also I start to get erections before and during sleep. I have some erections in the morning too (for no reason, it just was hard for few mins and I was not even thinking of anything). But in the afternoon it will go away (no erections at all, and feel disconnection between brain and down there).

I am still not sure if my body is recovering naturally or what. So should I wait for longer or do something now?

I am taking Vit B/C/D, L arginine, Fish oil with Omega 3. For the food, I am taking paleo diet and I eat both beef and chicken tho. I am taking a lot of veggies and fruits. I also eat a lot of nuts. I can not do too much exercise because sweat and fast heart beat during exercise. I go to gym every 3 days.


Guys, any advice now?

 

[IHateFin]

Damn dude that's solid improvements!!
Vitamin b8 aka inositol at 12g a day is highly recommended by me for sure

 

[kknd269]

Damn dude that's solid improvements!!
Vitamin b8 aka inositol at 12g a day is highly recommended by me for sure

Hey Man,

You said tongka ali makes you feel better. Are you still taking it. I'm not sure if I should take herbs now. I am feeling better recently. But weird thing is last 2 nights I had ejaculation in wet dream. I can have erections last 2 days when I see nude pics. But sometimes it was not hard. And usually after 3pm to 10 pm.. My penis would be like dead. Have you experienced this?

I am not sure if I should take tribulus + tongka ali now. Also how about pine pollen powder? Do you think I should wait for longer before I start herbs? I am in the 6 week off the drug now. I am really confused now after seeing so many protocols. I am not sure what I should do now.

I am taking only vitamin + zinc+ L arginine. And I do exercise every 1-2 days. But it is only 30 mins every time

I bought Tribulus, tongka ali, pine pollen. Just not sure if it is ok to start them now. And not sure if I should do water fast.
My case is a little different. I have no temporary recovery and crash after. I basically have noticed side effects and stopped. And My estrogen is low-normal now in my new lab result and I never had sky high E2.

 

[IHateFin]

i am still taking it, yes. the benefits tapered a ton but it was the first sup i took. the effects arent the same to this day, but it catapulted my recovery journey quite well.

those are some solid improvements, man. im not sure if you should let them ride out or see what herbs will do as one or the other could either cure you quick n be just what you needed or it could hinder you or keep you from being 100%. its a tough one, but im leaning toward riding it out n seeing what your body does on its own. like i said since you just crashed this is theoretically the easiest time to cure yourself if the right steps are taken as your body is changing and trying to get back to homeostasis while someone whom has hd pfs for years has a new homeostasis already developed and breaking it can be a new challenge.

i do think that out of herbs tongkat ali is the least risky, but i would NOT touch that pine pollen or anything with DHEA in it as that has a high chance of fucking you up. someone on here was cured and took dhea and they crashed again to rock bottom and has been there since. pine pollen has DHEA in it. tongkat ali just helps the lydig cells produce more test and i read a study that it increases leydig cells and it also lowers SHBG thus increasing free testosterone. tribulous is another non-risk herb as it doesnt have phytohormones that are bioidentical to or own so shut down is not an issue. i have read studies that trib increases seminal vesal size and testical size (i saw this first hand) and increases spermogenesis. those two would be 0 risk to start, but its up to you.

you may not need to fast as it seems your body is doing its thing on its own, but i dont know much about fasting so cant speak to that.

 

[kknd269]

i am still taking it, yes. the benefits tapered a ton but it was the first sup i took. the effects arent the same to this day, but it catapulted my recovery journey quite well.

those are some solid improvements, man. im not sure if you should let them ride out or see what herbs will do as one or the other could either cure you quick n be just what you needed or it could hinder you or keep you from being 100%. its a tough one, but im leaning toward riding it out n seeing what your body does on its own. like i said since you just crashed this is theoretically the easiest time to cure yourself if the right steps are taken as your body is changing and trying to get back to homeostasis while someone whom has hd pfs for years has a new homeostasis already developed and breaking it can be a new challenge.

i do think that out of herbs tongkat ali is the least risky, but i would NOT touch that pine pollen or anything with DHEA in it as that has a high chance of fucking you up. someone on here was cured and took dhea and they crashed again to rock bottom and has been there since. pine pollen has DHEA in it. tongkat ali just helps the lydig cells produce more test and i read a study that it increases leydig cells and it also lowers SHBG thus increasing free testosterone. tribulous is another non-risk herb as it doesnt have phytohormones that are bioidentical to or own so shut down is not an issue. i have read studies that trib increases seminal vesal size and testical size (i saw this first hand) and increases spermogenesis. those two would be 0 risk to start, but its up to you.

you may not need to fast as it seems your body is doing its thing on its own, but i dont know much about fasting so cant speak to that.

Hey,

Thanks for the kind reply! I am on my 6th week off the drug now. I do see some improvement so far but still have a lot sides going on me. I can have rock hard erection during sleep/ waking up but it goes away after I wake up. And this weekend I actually felt the connection between brain and down there, I can get it up by mind, but penis get hard slowly and will not be that hard (I would say 60-80 percent). Usually 4pm-11pm I would have weakest erection or none. I don't know why...

I also have cold penis when it is flaccid. My heart beat/sweat problem is still here without any improvement. My sleep is broken but I can fall sleep and have to wake up every 2-4 hours.

I decide to give it 1-2 more week to see what will happen (Hopefully it will get better and better). I also heard a lot about tongka ali / tribulus. I knew a guy recovered simply just using these 2 herbs and he told me to stay away from other medicine /herb too. I am doing another bloodtest tomorrow and I will update later! Thank you again for your reply!

 

[IHateFin]

i am still taking it, yes. the benefits tapered a ton but it was the first sup i took. the effects arent the same to this day, but it catapulted my recovery journey quite well.

those are some solid improvements, man. im not sure if you should let them ride out or see what herbs will do as one or the other could either cure you quick n be just what you needed or it could hinder you or keep you from being 100%. its a tough one, but im leaning toward riding it out n seeing what your body does on its own. like i said since you just crashed this is theoretically the easiest time to cure yourself if the right steps are taken as your body is changing and trying to get back to homeostasis while someone whom has hd pfs for years has a new homeostasis already developed and breaking it can be a new challenge.

i do think that out of herbs tongkat ali is the least risky, but i would NOT touch that pine pollen or anything with DHEA in it as that has a high chance of fucking you up. someone on here was cured and took dhea and they crashed again to rock bottom and has been there since. pine pollen has DHEA in it. tongkat ali just helps the lydig cells produce more test and i read a study that it increases leydig cells and it also lowers SHBG thus increasing free testosterone. tribulous is another non-risk herb as it doesnt have phytohormones that are bioidentical to or own so shut down is not an issue. i have read studies that trib increases seminal vesal size and testical size (i saw this first hand) and increases spermogenesis. those two would be 0 risk to start, but its up to you.

you may not need to fast as it seems your body is doing its thing on its own, but i dont know much about fasting so cant speak to that.

Hey,

Thanks for the kind reply! I am on my 6th week off the drug now. I do see some improvement so far but still have a lot sides going on me. I can have rock hard erection during sleep/ waking up but it goes away after I wake up. And this weekend I actually felt the connection between brain and down there, I can get it up by mind, but penis get hard slowly and will not be that hard (I would say 60-80 percent). Usually 4pm-11pm I would have weakest erection or none. I don't know why...

I also have cold penis when it is flaccid. My heart beat/sweat problem is still here without any improvement. My sleep is broken but I can fall sleep and have to wake up every 2-4 hours.

I decide to give it 1-2 more week to see what will happen (Hopefully it will get better and better). I also heard a lot about tongka ali / tribulus. I knew a guy recovered simply just using these 2 herbs and he told me to stay away from other medicine /herb too. I am doing another bloodtest tomorrow and I will update later! Thank you again for your reply!

no prob, bud!
i agree on giving it a little more time first, and tribulous and tongkat are no risk herbs so im not surprised they are so highly regarded.

 

[kknd269]

i am still taking it, yes. the benefits tapered a ton but it was the first sup i took. the effects arent the same to this day, but it catapulted my recovery journey quite well.

those are some solid improvements, man. im not sure if you should let them ride out or see what herbs will do as one or the other could either cure you quick n be just what you needed or it could hinder you or keep you from being 100%. its a tough one, but im leaning toward riding it out n seeing what your body does on its own. like i said since you just crashed this is theoretically the easiest time to cure yourself if the right steps are taken as your body is changing and trying to get back to homeostasis while someone whom has hd pfs for years has a new homeostasis already developed and breaking it can be a new challenge.

i do think that out of herbs tongkat ali is the least risky, but i would NOT touch that pine pollen or anything with DHEA in it as that has a high chance of fucking you up. someone on here was cured and took dhea and they crashed again to rock bottom and has been there since. pine pollen has DHEA in it. tongkat ali just helps the lydig cells produce more test and i read a study that it increases leydig cells and it also lowers SHBG thus increasing free testosterone. tribulous is another non-risk herb as it doesnt have phytohormones that are bioidentical to or own so shut down is not an issue. i have read studies that trib increases seminal vesal size and testical size (i saw this first hand) and increases spermogenesis. those two would be 0 risk to start, but its up to you.

you may not need to fast as it seems your body is doing its thing on its own, but i dont know much about fasting so cant speak to that.

Hey,

Thanks for the kind reply! I am on my 6th week off the drug now. I do see some improvement so far but still have a lot sides going on me. I can have rock hard erection during sleep/ waking up but it goes away after I wake up. And this weekend I actually felt the connection between brain and down there, I can get it up by mind, but penis get hard slowly and will not be that hard (I would say 60-80 percent). Usually 4pm-11pm I would have weakest erection or none. I don't know why...

I also have cold penis when it is flaccid. My heart beat/sweat problem is still here without any improvement. My sleep is broken but I can fall sleep and have to wake up every 2-4 hours.

I decide to give it 1-2 more week to see what will happen (Hopefully it will get better and better). I also heard a lot about tongka ali / tribulus. I knew a guy recovered simply just using these 2 herbs and he told me to stay away from other medicine /herb too. I am doing another bloodtest tomorrow and I will update later! Thank you again for your reply!

no prob, bud!
i agree on giving it a little more time first, and tribulous and tongkat are no risk herbs so im not surprised they are so highly regarded.

Hey man,

I also have a question. Like my case, I have low T and my estrogen is in normal low range. What is the best way for me to boost my T? My LH and FSH are in normal range too. I know most guys here have low T due to sky hight E. Do you have any suggestions?

 

[IHateFin]

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[IHateFin]

Hey,

Thanks for the kind reply! I am on my 6th week off the drug now. I do see some improvement so far but still have a lot sides going on me. I can have rock hard erection during sleep/ waking up but it goes away after I wake up. And this weekend I actually felt the connection between brain and down there, I can get it up by mind, but penis get hard slowly and will not be that hard (I would say 60-80 percent). Usually 4pm-11pm I would have weakest erection or none. I don't know why...

I also have cold penis when it is flaccid. My heart beat/sweat problem is still here without any improvement. My sleep is broken but I can fall sleep and have to wake up every 2-4 hours.

I decide to give it 1-2 more week to see what will happen (Hopefully it will get better and better). I also heard a lot about tongka ali / tribulus. I knew a guy recovered simply just using these 2 herbs and he told me to stay away from other medicine /herb too. I am doing another bloodtest tomorrow and I will update later! Thank you again for your reply!

no prob, bud!
i agree on giving it a little more time first, and tribulous and tongkat are no risk herbs so im not surprised they are so highly regarded.

Hey man,

I also have a question. Like my case, I have low T and my estrogen is in normal low range. What is the best way for me to boost my T? My LH and FSH are in normal range too. I know most guys here have low T due to sky hight E. Do you have any suggestions?

Well it's possible progesterone or prolactin could also be suppressing your lh and fsh. The only way to change that are to take suppliments that can help drive that down. Progesterone in particular can be very potent in suppressing lh and fsh.
Trib and tongkat both increase lh if it's lower than normal as I have read studies that back this claim up. In a normal person with high test and healthy they have no affect on lh and fsh. I also read that proviron in low doses can actually increase fsh if it's lower than physiological norm too. I assume that if proviron can do this than any kind of exogenous dht could potentially do this too but I would not recommend that route haha so that's just FYI I guess lol

 

[kknd269]

no prob, bud!
i agree on giving it a little more time first, and tribulous and tongkat are no risk herbs so im not surprised they are so highly regarded.

Hey man,

I also have a question. Like my case, I have low T and my estrogen is in normal low range. What is the best way for me to boost my T? My LH and FSH are in normal range too. I know most guys here have low T due to sky hight E. Do you have any suggestions?

Well it's possible progesterone or prolactin could also be suppressing your lh and fsh. The only way to change that are to take suppliments that can help drive that down. Progesterone in particular can be very potent in suppressing lh and fsh.
Trib and tongkat both increase lh if it's lower than normal as I have read studies that back this claim up. In a normal person with high test and healthy they have no affect on lh and fsh. I also read that proviron in low doses can actually increase fsh if it's lower than physiological norm too. I assume that if proviron can do this than any kind of exogenous dht could potentially do this too but I would not recommend that route haha so that's just FYI I guess lol

Yeah I am feeling better recently and recent bloodtest shows my prolactin dropped from 14.6 top 8.3. But I have not tested other things. I just did bloodtest on DHT/T today, hope it comes back with good news. My LH and FSH test from last week shows LH are actually normal high and FSH are in the middle. I don't know if it is becasue prolactin dropped so I start to make more T? Today I also feel better sexually (I video chat with my gf and have a hard erection for like 10 mins). But when penis goes flaccid, it is still small and cold...... And my sweat/heart problem and broken sleep are still here with no improvement...

My mood are generally fine now but sometimes I will worry if I can recover or not. When I read people's protocol, they are more or less dealing with sky high Estrogen. But I have low in that. So sometimes I feel confused about what to do next

 

[kknd269]

Update 10/18/2017

Today I got my blood test result back.
T went from 261 to 317
FT went from 68 to 77
vit D is 31.5 range >30
SHBG 17 range 11-80
E2 20 range 10-40
Estrogen Total is 29 range 19-69

Have not tested other stuff this time. The result makes me sad today, I even cried at the hospital.

I have been feeling better in terms of erection, today when I wake up at 5 am my erection is rock hard for like 20 mins and I even felt a little pain. I thought everything are going to right direction. But the result does not even agree with it....

My penis is still cold when it is flaccid. And It is hard to get it fully erected during the day. Only during my sleep when I wake up it is rock hard.

I have not started any herb / exercise yet. I will start to add exercise into my daily routine.


Also I ordered adrenal panel test kit for cortisol. And I order a stool test. I just realized my GF has H.pylori in her stomach. I am not sure if I have it because of that. I read that H.pylori could leads to inflammation and cause testosterone to decrease. Does anyone have idea on that?

The symptoms I have right now are just ED/low libido/Sleep/Sweat.

 

[P_stashio]

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[kknd269]

Update 10/18/2017

Today I got my blood test result back.
T went from 261 to 317
FT went from 68 to 77
vit D is 31.5 range >30
SHBG 17 range 11-80
E2 20 range 10-20
Estrogen Total is 29 range 19-69

Have not tested other stuff this time. The result makes me sad today, I even cried at the hospital.

I have been feeling better in terms of erection, today when I wake up at 5 am my erection is rock hard for like 20 mins and I even felt a little pain. I thought everything are going to right direction. But the result does not even agree with it....

My penis is still cold when it is flaccid. And It is hard to get it fully erected during the day. Only during my sleep when I wake up it is rock hard.

I have not started any herb / exercise yet. I will start to add exercise into my daily routine.


Also I ordered adrenal panel test kit for cortisol. And I order a stool test. I just realized my GF has H.pylori in her stomach. I am not sure if I have it because of that. I read that H.pylori could leads to inflammation and cause testosterone to decrease. Does anyone have idea on that?

The symptoms I have right now are just ED/low libido/Sleep/Sweat.

 

[kknd269]

The morning and nocturnal erections are a good thing man. Night time erections are pretty much solely responsible on tester one. You have low T and your still getting boners so your body is at least responding to even the low testosterone. This is good.

Low libido can very much be effected by anxiety and worry. Being scared kills erections too. When they have to kill an erection that goes longer then 4 hours due to cigars or whatever, they inject it with phenylephrine to kill it. When your scared your body produces epinephrine which is a natural cock killer.

Just some holistic advice. Again I’d do the whole Goldstein thing and go from there.

Yeah, that is why I was scared by my lab result becasue I thought I was getting better. I guess I will stay away from bloodtest for now. I will do 1 month cdsnuts/chi protocol to cycle some herbs and do more exercise. Let's see if it can kick start my body. I am almost into my 7th week off this poison. 41 days now

 

[kknd269]

Just want to update my DHT level is 205 range 106-710
It is super low now. So basically both my T/E/DHT are low now.

I had a wet dream last night, the sperm looks watery as well.... I feel like I fall back a little bit.

I could have hard erection during sleep. But during the day I barely can get it up anymore

My sleep is still broken waking up every few hours. No refreshing feelings. What should I do now....Someone help me plz..

 

[IHateFin]

Just want to update my DHT level is 205 range 106-710
It is super low now. So basically both my T/E/DHT are low now.

I had a wet dream last night, the sperm looks watery as well.... I feel like I fall back a little bit.

I could have hard erection during sleep. But during the day I barely can get it up anymore

My sleep is still broken waking up every few hours. No refreshing feelings. What should I do now....Someone help me plz..

hey man this seems very typical and in line with the "PFS Timeline" so to speak. so it would have been nice if the body could have regulated its self but based on where you are at it seems the chances for that may have passed. now is the time to act, bro. I say that you consider high dose tribulous asap!

tribulous is an anti progesterone. only trick is to source a potent form of it and it has been suggested that the brand MediHerb is going to be the strongest and highest natural anti-progesterone.
tongkat ali will also help you as it will free up some testosterone and increase lydig cells in your testicals as I have read studies to support this especially in testicles that are atrophied. tribulous is also shown in studies to increase spermogenesis so get on these sups fast, my friend. this would be an amazing place to start.

 

[kknd269]

Just want to update my DHT level is 205 range 106-710
It is super low now. So basically both my T/E/DHT are low now.

I had a wet dream last night, the sperm looks watery as well.... I feel like I fall back a little bit.

I could have hard erection during sleep. But during the day I barely can get it up anymore

My sleep is still broken waking up every few hours. No refreshing feelings. What should I do now....Someone help me plz..

hey man this seems very typical and in line with the "PFS Timeline" so to speak. so it would have been nice if the body could have regulated its self but based on where you are at it seems the chances for that may have passed. now is the time to act, bro. I say that you consider high dose tribulous asap!

tribulous is an anti progesterone. only trick is to source a potent form of it and it has been suggested that the brand MediHerb is going to be the strongest and highest natural anti-progesterone.
tongkat ali will also help you as it will free up some testosterone and increase lydig cells in your testicals as I have read studies to support this especially in testicles that are atrophied. tribulous is also shown in studies to increase spermogenesis so get on these sups fast, my friend. this would be an amazing place to start.

Do you think a water fast/ juice feast is necessary for starting the sup? I am on juice feast aiming for 1-2 weeks now. Do you think it will help?