PFS theory ( taking into account all the data that we received., CSF values, studies , blood tests, reactions)

Helen

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Here is a possible theory of what is going on.


Fins binds NADPH. ( it is a fact) which basically impairs at least 5-6 hormones. ( may be more) From the studies we know that it is 17 estradiol, which is converted from estrone with NADPH, it is DHT which is converted via 5 alpha reductase, then it is pregnenolone. and progesterone. I think there is actually more hormones, involved. cortisol for instance.


When hormones are severely diminished. brain upregulates their receptors expression in the brain big time.( may be upregulates methylation) And since brain senses and regulates these hormones. Then the signaling is increased big time into the brain when hormones are inhibited, since it is vital for survival of the brain.

After you quit finasteride hormones go up first, and then they go into the spinal cord. But since brain upregulated sensitivity to these hormones. Brain sends a signal to bind them in blood. to proteins. And binds them like you read about and inactivates them.. this is why tissues dont get any of these hormones and body is aging . this might explain overexpression in the skin studies.

And also explains disconnection of brain and dick. Also explains ( high libido, not low mental libido is high) people want sex. If libido were low, they would not be checking how their dick hangs or works. Libido and desire is high, the ability to perform is zero.

This is why we see high hormones in blood, and low in CSF. brain does not want them.


to get into CSF the hormones have to be in FREE form in plasma. Meaning free DHT, Free progesterone, Free thryoid, etc. Normal hormones cant get into CSF


This is how brain regulates uptake into CSF ( spinal fluid by freeing hormones.)




this is why fasting helps, since you run low on protein. and the binding mechanism loosens up. but then when you start eating again, it goes back up.



So basically just feed hormones which were inhibited by fin,( which are low in CSF) overwhelm binding mechanisms, and brain will downregulate. Plus you will feed all these needed hormones into tissues at the same time.


As brain downregulates, when you quit hormones, on the snap back. brain wont bind them anymore. Since it would want more of them.



Another possibility would be to increase NADPH production a lot with NADPH precursors.. 2 gm a day of B1. or may be niacin. you will feel bad, just stick with it. and after you get off. you will see all your hormones work again.

Do like 2-3 weeks on , and then off.


Also demethylation enzymes might be looked at as we talked about. where b2 could play a big role. I seem some people just taking B2 and improving over time.


Some discussion of this and CSF values also taking place in this thread. https://hackstasis.com/threads/neur...ways-to-fix-pfs-or-understand-it-better.1416/
 
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What does it mean when one already has high B1 in serum? Not all blood values I've come across have low B's. Some high even.

The theory behind hormones that don't get to the tissue and the body ages sounds spot on.

Hard to stick with TEI when there are different theory's and possibility's posted here each week.
 
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Oh so basically CDnuts protocol?
 

Helen

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What does it mean when one already has high B1 in serum? Not all blood values I've come across have low B's. Some high even.

The theory behind hormones that don't get to the tissue and the body ages sounds spot on.

Hard to stick with TEI when there are different theory's and possibility's posted here each week.


TEI will take care of this imbalance. and beyond
 

Admiral

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What would this hormonal route be, Helen? Sounds like you need to take lots at the same time, but which ones?
 

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I'm just gonna go ahead and say it: This is highly indicative of the CD Nuts protocol. The cycling of hormone boosting supplements and herbs is how you would raise the levels in CSF.
This is why CD Nuts has helped those who adhered to the program, including myself.
 

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I'm just gonna go ahead and say it: This is highly indicative of the CD Nuts protocol. The cycling of hormone boosting supplements and herbs is how you would raise the levels in CSF.
This is why CD Nuts has helped those who adhered to the program, including myself.

this is a theory thread. And cycling specific hormones is not Cdnuts protocol. Light at the end recovered also using the same principle. and even closer to this protocol.

As I mentioned to you , that Cdnuts recovery matches this theory. You can follow his protocol and may be recover. We have tons of people who did his protocol here cycled herbs and did andro . that is why cdnuts protocol is approved on this forum. but it takes for ever and works in very few cases.

As I mention again, this is a theory thread where I possibly outlined the mechanism of the problem. and it will be interesting to fix this problem knowing this mechanism using actual hormones. or NADPH precursors.

And it is not even close to Cdnuts protocol, since this protocol will LOWER testosterone levels.
 
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Trump_1776

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this is a theory thread. And cycling specific hormones is not Cdnuts protocol. Light at the end recovered also using the same principle. and even closer to this protocol.

As I mentioned to you , that Cdnuts recovery matches this theory. You can follow his protocol and may be recover. We have tons of people who did his protocol here cycled herbs and did andro . that is why cdnuts protocol is approved on this forum. but it takes for ever and works in very few cases.

As I mention again, this is a theory thread where I possibly outlined the mechanism of the problem. and it will be interesting to fix this problem knowing this mechanism using actual hormones. or NADPH precursors.

I also posted from day one, testosterone plus progesterone. And now testosterone plus anavar. possibilities.
I only have one word that fits in this situation:
Yeet.
 

sanka

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Yes, i mean for people that dont want to poay with hormones like me for example snd cant start a tel protocol
 

sanka

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Yes, i was just asking hahaha. Maybe i can go very high in b1 and b2 also following the protocol. I mean all the protocol just adding more b1 and b2
 

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this is a theory thread. And cycling specific hormones is not Cdnuts protocol. Light at the end recovered also using the same principle. and even closer to this protocol.

As I mentioned to you , that Cdnuts recovery matches this theory. You can follow his protocol and may be recover. We have tons of people who did his protocol here cycled herbs and did andro . that is why cdnuts protocol is approved on this forum. but it takes for ever and works in very few cases.

As I mention again, this is a theory thread where I possibly outlined the mechanism of the problem. and it will be interesting to fix this problem knowing this mechanism using actual hormones. or NADPH precursors.

I also posted from day one, testosterone plus progesterone. And now testosterone plus anavar. possibilities.

What dosages of test and anavar do you think are most beneficial?
 

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Yes, i mean for people that dont want to poay with hormones like me for example snd cant start a tel protocol
At separate times***.

Like if you do one (say electrolytes) for 6 or 9 or 12mo. Later you can do TEI for a similar amount of time.
Helen and others say they counteract each other. Sometimes it's good to keep things simple. Honestly they both work well. TEI is good, but sticking to one thing is good too.
 

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What are free forms of hormones anyway?