PUFAs are cancer

[IHateFin]

I think one of the biggest health benefits is lowering the intake of polyunsaturated fat. that in its self is a 5 alpha reductase inhibitor and liver inhibitor.

stuff is bad news, and its sad that many mainstream articles claim this is a good fat and claim saturated fat is the bad one. Makes me want to falcon punch the retards that published said articles. they probably work for big pharma or are just mentally disabled. I eliminated a TON of items out of my diet that had nasty levels of PUFA which even included delicious peanut butter.

that's pretty much of the extent of my diet restrictions. that and I cut out milk.

 

[TubZy]

I think one of the biggest health benefits is lowering the intake of polyunsaturated fat. that in its self is a 5 alpha reductase inhibitor and liver inhibitor.

stuff is bad news, and its sad that many mainstream articles claim this is a good fat and claim saturated fat is the bad one. Makes me want to falcon punch the retards that published said articles. they probably work for big pharma or are just mentally disabled. I eliminated a TON of items out of my diet that had nasty levels of PUFA which even included delicious peanut butter.

that's pretty much of the extent of my diet restrictions. that and I cut out milk.

Yeah that is one of the so called peat areas that I agree with and I think Gbol does as well. He mentions that fasting dumps PUFA very fast.

Grassfed butter, olive oil or coconut oil are my go to.

 

[jacknap]

good point i hatefin... btw phenibut I think just works gaba..gaba-b specifically... I don't think it touches dopamine (but could be wrong)

one thing i've been on the fence for is krill oil. it apparently is the god of fish oils and sometimes I feel like my pfs is a TBI so it could be useful but it has asthaxanthin which according to anabolic apex is a potent dht blocker that I think that antioxidant is also found in saw palmetto.. which we know people also get pfs from

 

[IHateFin]

good point i hatefin... btw phenibut I think just works gaba..gaba-b specifically... I don't think it touches dopamine (but could be wrong)

one thing i've been on the fence for is krill oil. it apparently is the god of fish oils and sometimes I feel like my pfs is a TBI so it could be useful but it has asthaxanthin which according to anabolic apex is a potent dht blocker that I think that antioxidant is also found in saw palmetto.. which we know people also get pfs from

Yeah phenibut is a GABA b agonist; however, too much and there is a huge dopamine rebound especially with chronic excessively high amounts of this stuff

 

[Aleksandr]

I remember tyw wrote a good post about that. He doesnt think pufa causes much damage if its used as fuel asap , like in a calorie deficit. Infact it goes better with carbs than carbs + saturated fat.

The real problem is if youre carrying extra fat on you and storing the pufa

 

[TubZy]

I remember tyw wrote a good post about that. He doesnt think pufa causes much damage if its used as fuel asap , like in a calorie deficit. Infact it goes better with carbs than carbs + saturated fat.

The real problem is if youre carrying extra fat on you and storing the pufa

I forget where I saw the post (I think it may have been Gbol, can't remember) but it basically stated that PUFA is not that bad especially if you exercise because muscles burn it up. I haven't done too much research on it yet, but is that in line what you heard?

 

[IHateFin]

i dunno man. i have read that pufas are highly unstable and are rancid before they are even ingested. once they get into the blood stream they are immediately oxidized and cause a ton of free radical damage. im sure if they are used quickly it helps, but i doubt it eliminates its negative effects entirely.

 

[TubZy]

i dunno man. i have read that pufas are highly unstable and are rancid before they are even ingested. once they get into the blood stream they are immediately oxidized and cause a ton of free radical damage. im sure if they are used quickly it helps, but i doubt it eliminates its negative effects entirely.

No, I 100% agree with you, but could of sworn I saw a post showing that PUFA isn't as bad if you are athlete or exercises as compared to someone who doesn't exercise at all.

 

[IHateFin]

i dunno man. i have read that pufas are highly unstable and are rancid before they are even ingested. once they get into the blood stream they are immediately oxidized and cause a ton of free radical damage. im sure if they are used quickly it helps, but i doubt it eliminates its negative effects entirely.

No, I 100% agree with you, but could of sworn I saw a post showing that PUFA isn't as bad if you are athlete or exercises as compared to someone who doesn't exercise at all.

that makes sense! those who are active can take a lot more than someone who has a sedentary lifestyle.

 

[Aleksandr]

I remember tyw wrote a good post about that. He doesnt think pufa causes much damage if its used as fuel asap , like in a calorie deficit. Infact it goes better with carbs than carbs + saturated fat.

The real problem is if youre carrying extra fat on you and storing the pufa

I forget where I saw the post (I think it may have been Gbol, can't remember) but it basically stated that PUFA is not that bad especially if you exercise because muscles burn it up. I haven't done too much research on it yet, but is that in line what you heard?

Yes. So in this case either consuming a calorie deficit or exercising so your required calories are greater (creating calorie deficit) then pufa is fine. Burned as fuel straight away.


To the best of my knowledge, pufa is a non-issue in those who have a healthy bodyfat %. 10-15% for men, 20-30% for women.

These are ideal and maximise the respective hormones.

Some people will find they have an optimum on one side of that (e.g 28% for women) hormonally, but generally seems to work within those boundaries

 

[mattyb]

PUFA isn't that harmful if you simply burn it off (cal deficit and/or exercise). Some PUFAs like arachodonic acid are slightly anabolic when used alongside training.

If you are not regularly physically active at work/home/etc or not doing some kind of low-level endurance exercise (hiking, light jogging, skipping, etc.) then you are putting yourself at risk. And there are reasons why your risk is going up that aren't even related to PUFA either. You should active and burning any PUFA you consume for energy. That is fine.

The problem is stored PUFA (both in the membrane and fat cell). PUFA is primarily a problem because when stressful situations arrive and the body ejects large amounts of fatty acids (and those fatty acids are unsaturated) in response to provide energy, it also releases free iron. This free iron oxidizes the PUFA, and this is ultimately the event which triggers the damage necessary to cause stroke/heart attack.

PUFA does not just spontaneously oxidize and cause damage. It requires conditions for it's oxidation. PUFA is almost at the end of the oxidation chain, lipid peroxides form long after other harmful molecules are formed. Many other things need to happen before that, like the generation of O2, OH-, H2O2, storage and release of free iron and other heavy metals. This is why it's important to chelate heavy metals, reduce iron intake, and make sure you're producing sufficient SOD, glutathione, thioredoxin, peroxiredoxin, etc. because then you are preventing the upstream causes of PUFA oxidation (these things also cause other problems outside of lipid peroxidation). If you have problems with PUFA oxidation, it's because you've got problems with things happening earlier as well.

I think minimizing PUFA is playing it safe, and it's probably perfectly fine to do. But I think going out of your way to avoid it in some situations is stupid. Grassfed beef, butter, milk, and cheese, is higher in PUFA than factory versions - but I would pick the grassfed versions of those foods every day over their factory counterparts.

 

[aztec]

Can you guys list pufas that are commonly comsumed and are a bad idea for us?

 

[TubZy]

PUFA isn't that harmful if you simply burn it off (cal deficit and/or exercise). Some PUFAs like arachodonic acid are slightly anabolic when used alongside training.

If you are not regularly physically active at work/home/etc or not doing some kind of low-level endurance exercise (hiking, light jogging, skipping, etc.) then you are putting yourself at risk. And there are reasons why your risk is going up that aren't even related to PUFA either. You should active and burning any PUFA you consume for energy. That is fine.

The problem is stored PUFA (both in the membrane and fat cell). PUFA is primarily a problem because when stressful situations arrive and the body ejects large amounts of fatty acids (and those fatty acids are unsaturated) in response to provide energy, it also releases free iron. This free iron oxidizes the PUFA, and this is ultimately the event which triggers the damage necessary to cause stroke/heart attack.

PUFA does not just spontaneously oxidize and cause damage. It requires conditions for it's oxidation. PUFA is almost at the end of the oxidation chain, lipid peroxides form long after other harmful molecules are formed. Many other things need to happen before that, like the generation of O2, OH-, H2O2, storage and release of free iron and other heavy metals. This is why it's important to chelate heavy metals, reduce iron intake, and make sure you're producing sufficient SOD, glutathione, thioredoxin, peroxiredoxin, etc. because then you are preventing the upstream causes of PUFA oxidation (these things also cause other problems outside of lipid peroxidation). If you have problems with PUFA oxidation, it's because you've got problems with things happening earlier as well.

I think minimizing PUFA is playing it safe, and it's probably perfectly fine to do. But I think going out of your way to avoid it in some situations is stupid. Grassfed beef, butter, milk, and cheese, is higher in PUFA than factory versions - but I would pick the grassfed versions of those foods every day over their factory counterparts.

X2 that is what it was. Must have seen your post before but forgot the username, good post.

I think that is where the difference comes in. Many of us here are physically active or athletic (gbol has pressed exercise is good many times) and I have lifted weights and played soccer majority of my life.

When an extreme or even average peater just says "PUFA is bad" they have no idea what they are talking about and don't provide any context. Many of them aren't physically active because Peat grossly underestimates exercise hence why he is so worried about keeping PUFA intake super low to begin with.

 

[TubZy]

Can you guys list pufas that are commonly comsumed and are a bad idea for us?

Avoid all oils except high quality olive oil, coconut oil and grass-fed butter.

Oils like soybean are even worse since soy in itself is estrogenic

 

[aztec]

Thanks TubZy. I usually stay away from cocunut oil even though it has nutritional value. Is grape oil safe? What about avocacdo oil?

 

[Canari]

Gbol also posted that PUFAs are not a problem if you burn them. About going well with starch: I remember people in Asia doing better in the poor hospital than the riches', because they had only small meals of rice with some sesame tahini, and they had to chew it all super well to profit of it. Sesame is really full of pufas...

I would dream we stop having demons! Even a more balanced title for this thread... We can perfectly look for when and in what cases are PUFAs bad for! This is balance and context!

Demons are used in any cults or even other types of groups, because a common enemy help people to feel united! Everybody feels part of the same group, and it erases all differences within the group.

 

[TubZy]

Thanks TubZy. I usually stay away from cocunut oil even though it has nutritional value. Is grape oil safe? What about avocacdo oil?

I wouldn't use either of those personally but I wouldn't 100% cut them out forever if you enjoy them. I personally like high quality olive oil and the high content of vitamin E can block a lot of PUFA's negative effects.

Like Matty said, as long as you are physically active and exercising you will burn a lot of PUFA up so I don't think using grape or avaocdao oil occasionally could be that harmful and even way less of a problem if you burn them up everyday.

 

[TubZy]

Gbol also posted that PUFAs are not a problem if you burn them. About going well with starch: I remember people in Asia doing better in the poor hospital than the riches', because they had only small meals of rice with some sesame tahini, and they had to chew it all super well to profit of it. Sesame is really full of pufas...

I would dream we stop having demons! Even a more balanced title for this thread... We can perfectly look for when and in what cases are PUFAs bad for! This is balance and context!

Demons are used in any cults or even other types of groups, because a common enemy help people to feel united! Everybody feels part of the same group, and it erases all differences within the group.

Yeah, the Asian culture aspect definitely interests me. Take for example, Japan who eat loads of PUFA (via fish) yet live healthy and longer lives. I do think genetics play a role, but it is interesting. They also consume a lot of soy and iodine which are not peat friendly but still doesn't seem to negatively impact them that much.

 

[aztec]

Thanks guys! Your responses are very helpful. I am athletic and live a healthy lifestyle. I am actually in the best shape of my life at 29 years young. Can’t wait to defeat this pfs together once and for all.

 

[dante]

Yeah, the Asian culture aspect definitely interests me. Take for example, Japan who eat loads of PUFA (via fish) yet live healthy and longer lives. I do think genetics play a role, but it is interesting. They also consume a lot of soy and iodine which are not peat friendly but still doesn't seem to negatively impact them that much.

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/grp/2017/7213043/
This is paper on the possible causes that may lead to intrahepatic stones. If you see the point - Bile Metabolic Defect, you will see that the authors say - "In Japan, since cases of primary intrahepatic cholesterol stones were emerging" .
Also "the oversecretion of mucins caused by the activation of arachidonic acid lead to cholestasis and promote crystallization of cholesterol, resulting in cholesterol stones or stones rich in cholesterol."
"PGE2 induces MUC2 and MUC5AC expression via EP4-p38MAPK signaling in intrahepatic biliary epithelial cells, contributing to the formulation and development of intrahepatic stone"