Questions about hair test

[Slayo]

1)During the first stage of stress manganese, zinc, copper are used to support adrenals gland for the production of glucocorticoids and mineralcorticoids.
Copper increases aldosterone, while i think manganese increases both aldosterone and cortisol, zinc increases progesterone.
So during this stage of stress, where adrenals are overractive i'm expecting to find high sodium on the hair test due to the increased production of cortisol and aldosterone, but low potassium since i'm expecting to find the progesterone all used up to make cortisol, and cortisol decreases potassium, so why we find high potassium on the hair test during the first stage of stress ?


2)Also, anyone can post the research that says potassium sensitise the mitochondria to t3 ? I haven't found anything about that, i even e-mailed ARL without any reply


3)Hair test seems to show hormones activity, not hormones levels, for example i have overractive adrenals but very low cortisol syntoms, this is due to the glucocorticoids insensitivity Gbold has talked about, infact my dutch test showed elevated cortisol, dhea, T, dht, while my hair test showed very low sodium and potassium, so now i'm wondering if we follow the recommendations made by ARL to fix the hair test, Arl will give us supplements to boost adrenals function, but my adrenals are already overractive, so it would just increase cortisol downregolating the receptors even more, worsening the conditions.
WHat to do in this case ? We are like fast oxidisers about the hormones levels, but slow oxidisers about hormones activity due t insensitive receptors

 

[Canari]

Thanks for starting this in a new post man! I was curious about your choice of the research forum.... understood.
Just wanted to say I have low K but also low Na, so i can also ask why I have low Na instead of high... Do you have only low K, or also high Ca? Why do you ask about high K if you have it low?

Can you precise the difference you make between activity and levels? Do you mean the same as when we say we have high cortisol but insensitive?
I find what you say an interesting distinction.

so now i'm wondering if we follow the recommendations made by ARL to fix the hair test, Arl will give us supplements to boost adrenals function, but my adrenals are already overractive, so it would just increase cortisol downregolating the receptors even more, worsening the conditions.

Yes we do have some reasons to be a bit stopped before accepting the labs supplementation.

 

[Slayo]

Canari, i don't learn by heart things, i'm interested in truly understanding them, just if you have a solid understanding of things you can find a solution for problems.

About the distinction you asked, hormones levels: whetever it is high or low
Activity: the end result of the action of the hormones, so yes it depends on the receptors sensitivity

 

[Slayo]

@mattyb any idea ?
Thanks

 

[Slayo]

So i have asked to some HTMA practitioners, they said high potassium on hair test means body is wasting potassium, but if potassium is wasted how thyroid activity can be high ? About this question a practitioner told me that infact thyroid activity of fast oxidisers should be tested because she found hypothyroidism and hyperthyroidism in fast oxidisers.

@gbolduev please when you have time check the first 3 questions i made and this one, nobody has been able to give a precise answer

 

[Slayo]

Dr Wilson in his book says in fast oxidisers potassium raises to achieve a better na/k ratio, and that the mecchanism of K incresed retention needs more research, so basically he is saying the opposite of what the other practitioners i talked with are saying (i think they follow Watson and Rick Marler principles), he is saying that potassium increases not that it is a wasting.
It is so confusing

 

[Slayo]

Dr Wilson in his book says in fast oxidisers potassium raises to achieve a better na/k ratio, and that the mecchanism of K incresed retention needs more research, so basically he is saying the opposite of what the other practitioners i talked with are saying (i think they follow Watson and Rick Marler principles), he is saying that potassium increases not that it is a wasting.
It is so confusing

 

[Canari]

i don't learn by heart,
i'm interested in truly understanding

I have functioned like this all my life and cannot learn by heart even a poetry!

That is why at the moment I cannot find solutions in this field... and when I know something, I can explain it, starting from any point of the topic.

 

[esp90]

1)During the first stage of stress manganese, zinc, copper are used to support adrenals gland for the production of glucocorticoids and mineralcorticoids.
Copper increases aldosterone, while i think manganese increases both aldosterone and cortisol, zinc increases progesterone.
So during this stage of stress, where adrenals are overractive i'm expecting to find high sodium on the hair test due to the increased production of cortisol and aldosterone, but low potassium since i'm expecting to find the progesterone all used up to make cortisol, and cortisol decreases potassium, so why we find high potassium on the hair test during the first stage of stress ?


2)Also, anyone can post the research that says potassium sensitise the mitochondria to t3 ? I haven't found anything about that, i even e-mailed ARL without any reply


3)Hair test seems to show hormones activity, not hormones levels, for example i have overractive adrenals but very low cortisol syntoms, this is due to the glucocorticoids insensitivity Gbold has talked about, infact my dutch test showed elevated cortisol, dhea, T, dht, while my hair test showed very low sodium and potassium, so now i'm wondering if we follow the recommendations made by ARL to fix the hair test, Arl will give us supplements to boost adrenals function, but my adrenals are already overractive, so it would just increase cortisol downregolating the receptors even more, worsening the conditions.
WHat to do in this case ? We are like fast oxidisers about the hormones levels, but slow oxidisers about hormones activity due t insensitive receptors

I too have overactive adrenals but low cortisol symptoms, I'm in "sympathetic overdrive" or "adrenal burnout", Im a fast 4 according to trace elements but everything points to that I'm a slow oxidiser, I've tried adrenal supps and they made me crash really bad, Im too trying to figure out how to treat this. What is your treatment plan atm? Im going to try the protocol gbolduev posted "protocol & guide for improved health"

 

[Slayo]

Can you post your hair test ?

 

[esp90]

Can you post your hair test ?

MY HAIRTEST FAST 4 (SYMPATHETIC DOMINANCE )

 

[Slayo]

MY HAIRTEST FAST 4 (SYMPATHETIC DOMINANCE )

Stick wirh the na/mg and ca/k ratios, you are a slow oxidiser, don't pay attention to the name they give to it.
This show what i'm saying, you have overractive adrenals but your sodium and potassium on hair test are low, this is because hormones aren't binding to the rwceptors, like me