SIBO: the leading cause of diffuse thinning?

[Aleksandr]

90% of the digestion of nutrients occurs in the small intestine!

Rob of perfecthairhealth.com , probably one of the leading hair loss researchers of our time, said in one of his articles that SIBO has correlation to diffuse thinning

I wonder from a HTMA stand point too, if its related to 4 lows? I've been diagnosed with IBS before and while the fodmap diet fixed my symptoms, specifically avoiding certain foods (dairy, beans / legumes, and too much grain consumption) my symptoms always come back when I have these foods again or when my diet gets a little too relaxed.

Anyway i've been compiling some resources on this for now:
- SIBO is tested using a breath test, its around $150-200 i believe, but i've skipped this and instead have just gone straight to treating it
- Herbal Antibiotics - this link recommends some ways of treating SIBO, the herbal recommendations at the bottom are the products i've gone for. I've found that oregano oil really helps my digestion in the past, but i've never stayed on it for 4 weeks before
- An interesting way of treating SIBO "the elemental diet"; essentially you have a liquid meal replacement designed to absorb in the top part of your small intenstine only, thus starving the bacteria in the rest of your small intestine and your large intestine. After 2 weeks, 80% of people who got an abnormal breath test showed improvement. Its supposed to be the most easily digestible nutrient source possible
Should You Try an Elemental Diet for Your IBS?
- An example of an ""elemental diet" product VIVONEX® PLUS
- Another example that the public can purchase: Thorne Research, Mediclear-SGS, Vanilla, 2.36 lbs (1071 g)
- Diets recommended for those with SIBO hint: it looks a lot like meat, veggies, berries and soaked nuts. Keto / low-carb paleo generally
Diet

@Helen @Boris @Orion

 

[bruschi11]

I wanted to make a thread regarding SIBO. Myself and @freeflow are currently on this regarding a good portion of our problems.

On my organic acid testing, the markers are high for the acids that correlate with SIBO. Also I have all the symptoms for methane dominant with the chronic constipation. Lastly, when using a stack of 4 herbs- oil of oregano, neem oil, berberine, and Allicin... I go into a major herxheimer reaction I’ve never ever experienced with naturals before.

Chi- best pfs gut/ health type recovery said the key to it was “getting rid of pathogens specifically in the small intestine.”

Fasting kills SIBO. Hence why I’ve had so much success after water fasting and many here have had the same like @MNK99 .

@Helen back in 2013 wrote on the naked scientist a little bit about sibo in his recovery year. He utilized okra pepsin as that “scrapes small intestine”, fasting, and he said to stay away from colonics, probiotics and probiotic foods orally, and only use probiotics in enema form.

I have a SIBO breath test on 6/6. We are going at this though that I have it so immediately after my doctor wants me to treat with candibactrim AR and BR both morning and night. Currently and plan to be on a 2 meals a day Low FODMAP diet eating around noon and 730pm. Taking okra pepsin after meals as well.

To anyone and everyone out there with Pfs and specifically IBS or imperfect stools ( @health saw your log yesterday) I highly suggest getting Great Plains organic acids testing or Nutreval (more nutrition based urine test but has organic acids in it.)

 

[bruschi11]

Re: being able to tolerate all sorts of foods.

In late 2017, what fixed my gut was two fasts. One juice fast with 80 Oz juices 16 Oz bone broth daily. Where I took a bunch of herbs for Lyme disease like 6 times a day. Like a bunch of strong ass herbs- funny thing is these herbs have success with sibo.

Then a 21 day half water half 16 Oz breuss fast with a little bit of herbs in it and probiotic enemas at night. I continued with probiotic enemas post fast and digestion was robust for the following 7 months until I had horrible run in with hydrogen water.

Well hydrogen water... why did that kill me? And why for this past year beyond a good one month post water fast period, has i been stricken with major constipation and food sensitivity issues?

Answer seems easy to me now- Methane dominant SIBO feeds on hydrogen. I believe I just fed this pre-existing issue I had mostly removed in late 2017 with hydrogen water in mid 2018 and still have not recovered from it.

Hoping this is the biggest piece of the puzzle to fill. Glad you brought this up @Aleksandr !

 

[Aleksandr]

Re: being able to tolerate all sorts of foods.

In late 2017, what fixed my gut was two fasts. One juice fast with 80 Oz juices 16 Oz bone broth daily. Where I took a bunch of herbs for Lyme disease like 6 times a day. Like a bunch of strong ass herbs- funny thing is these herbs have success with sibo.

Then a 21 day half water half 16 Oz breuss fast with a little bit of herbs in it and probiotic enemas at night. I continued with probiotic enemas post fast and digestion was robust for the following 7 months until I had horrible run in with hydrogen water.

Well hydrogen water... why did that kill me? And why for this past year beyond a good one month post water fast period, has i been stricken with major constipation and food sensitivity issues?

Answer seems easy to me now- Methane dominant SIBO feeds on hydrogen. I believe I just fed this pre-existing issue I had mostly removed in late 2017 with hydrogen water in mid 2018 and still have not recovered from it.

Hoping this is the biggest piece of the puzzle to fill. Glad you brought this up @Aleksandr !

If you check out that website too,
Prevention of Relapse

"SIBO is a disorder that relapses because bacterial eradication itself does not always correct the underlying cause(s). Two of the main physiologic underlying causes are deficiency of the migrating motor complex (MMC) and anatomical/structural alteration effecting the small intestine."


So it sounds like if you have SIBO once then its likely you will relapse into it again unfortunately, as evident with your hydrogen water experiment.


Hmm. It seems like we may be suited to a low carb diet long term, and in fact maybe this is why a lot of people find great success in low-carb diets.

Interesting that fasting fixes it! Although I'm concerned that i'll wither away, seeing that im mostly a fast oxidiser anyway. My recent HTMA was just analysed by my practitioner, and shes got me on HCL this time which sounds good. And a boat load of min plex (high amounts of b6 and co-factors aimed to increase my htma magnesium).


I'm using that exact 4 stack of herbs you mentioned right now, for 4 or 5 days now. No herx yet, although I do feel a LITTLE sniffly, and i've been having a bit of trouble falling asleep which is unusual for me.


Let me know how your breath test goes! Are you paying for it, or do you get it free through a doctor? I might ask about it and get it if its free..

 

[Rid]

Re: being able to tolerate all sorts of foods.

In late 2017, what fixed my gut was two fasts. One juice fast with 80 Oz juices 16 Oz bone broth daily. Where I took a bunch of herbs for Lyme disease like 6 times a day. Like a bunch of strong ass herbs- funny thing is these herbs have success with sibo.

Then a 21 day half water half 16 Oz breuss fast with a little bit of herbs in it and probiotic enemas at night. I continued with probiotic enemas post fast and digestion was robust for the following 7 months until I had horrible run in with hydrogen water.

Well hydrogen water... why did that kill me? And why for this past year beyond a good one month post water fast period, has i been stricken with major constipation and food sensitivity issues?

Answer seems easy to me now- Methane dominant SIBO feeds on hydrogen. I believe I just fed this pre-existing issue I had mostly removed in late 2017 with hydrogen water in mid 2018 and still have not recovered from it.

Hoping this is the biggest piece of the puzzle to fill. Glad you brought this up @Aleksandr !

When your digestion was in peak form did you notice your hair was significantly improved?

 

[bruschi11]

When your digestion was in peak form did you notice your hair was significantly improved?

Yes it was incredible to be honest and I don’t want to sound over dramatic but the only way it truly can be described is incredible.

My greys were dissipating, my hair was thick, receding hair line (small one) was filling in strong, little bald spot in back of head COMPLETELY gone. A bald spot that freaked me the f out the year prior having noticed it in a wedding picture lol. My friends noticed it too and joked with me about it.

Hair wasn’t a big issue of mine, but it was definitely an issue lol I took finasteride for a reason. While sick for 7 months it remained the same. During the 10 months of recovering it got better and better and better.

There was a point where an old friend whose a hairdresser did it and last time she did my hair I was 23. I was 29 and she was like “based on hair at 23 I’d think you’d be way more gray than this here at 29. This is better than most guys your age.” Well I was way more gray at one point, I literally reversed it quite a bit.

Sick again this year. SIBO really killing me currently. The herxheimer reaction so potent- I can’t shit when I herx like this so it looks like I’m going to do a month long juice fast shut off digestion and attack sibo with herbs. Anyways, I’ve been sick now for 10-11 months- my grays are so bad. It sucks. Greys in beard getting horrible I’m aging like crazy.

I keep telling people I’m going to reverse it again and they roll their eyes. Well you guys watch. I’m going to do pictures now to keep track thanks for giving me idea @Rid .

 

[bruschi11]

If you check out that website too,
Prevention of Relapse

"SIBO is adisorder that relapsesbecause bacterial eradication itself does not always correct the underlying cause(s). Two of the main physiologic underlying causes are deficiency of the migrating motor complex (MMC) and anatomical/structural alteration effecting the small intestine."


So it sounds like if you have SIBO once then its likely you will relapse into it again unfortunately, as evident with your hydrogen water experiment.


Hmm. It seems like we may be suited to a low carb diet long term, and in fact maybe this is why a lot of people find great success in low-carb diets.

Interesting that fasting fixes it! Although I'm concerned that i'll wither away, seeing that im mostly a fast oxidiser anyway. My recent HTMA was just analysed by my practitioner, and shes got me on HCL this time which sounds good. And a boat load of min plex (high amounts of b6 and co-factors aimed to increase my htma magnesium).


I'm using that exact 4 stack of herbs you mentioned right now, for 4 or 5 days now. No herx yet, although I do feel a LITTLE sniffly, and i've been having a bit of trouble falling asleep which is unusual for me.


Let me know how your breath test goes! Are you paying for it, or do you get it free through a doctor? I might ask about it and get it if its free..

I think if you truly take care of it correctly you can live with it pretty care free on a good-ish diet if nutritional balance is in check. Maybe run the herbs once weekly or more for preventative care.

I really went wrong with hydrogen. It changed everyyything. But it was very strong hydrogen in a good way at first and sibo got me again before I could really understand what hit me.

I (indirectly) treated sibo with 2 weeks of a heavy amount of juice feast. Like both fruit and veggie juices 80+ Oz a day and 16 Oz bone broth. With all sorts of Lyme herbs like 4-6 times a day. I’d take a shot glass and fill it up with cats claw, cordyceps, lions mane, Chinese skullcap, jap knotweed, istatis.

I didn’t get what happened but afterward fatigue immensely improved and I could eat again without major constipation issues. I was a month into natural Lyme treatment before this fast and gut closed up pretty bad. Decided to do a juice fast out of nowhere and started 3 days later after ordering a bunch of juices online lol. I wasn’t making them fasted I was so weak.

The results of that juice fast were so good that I continued to treat Lyme with herbs, rife, laser that next month. Some colloidal silver and mms (miracle mineral supplement), sauna, exercising again like jogs and 2 rounds of golf weekly. Juicing 50 Oz a day with Okinawa diet.

6 weeks post juice fast I went into 21 day water- ish fast (16 Oz breuss juice on half the days) and afterward fatigue was gone, digestion absolutely robust. Somewhat impotent from pfs but I
woke that up with RU 3 weeks later lol.

I treated sibo unintentionally and it’s all making sense to me now lol. But hair, body comp were incredible after the water fast. I certainly lived something special and consider myself lucky to write about it. And have it in rear view mirror that I can use to build myself back up again.

 

[Blugrass]

Bruschi, what about digestive enzymes, do they not help you? I'm talking about the three basic ones, protease, lipase, and amalyse
I typically cannot tolerate them, I get terrible itching. maybe because they are made from yeast, or could be another reason. They usually put so many different enzymes in the popular brands. So who knows.
But in the last couple of days I been taking the ones that TEI make. Digest V zyme and strangely I'm able to take them and my stool looks so much better now. Worth a try I think for people with sibo.

 

[bruschi11]

Bruschi, what about digestive enzymes, do they not help you? I'm talking about the three basic ones, protease, lipase, and amalyse
I typically cannot tolerate them, I get terrible itching. maybe because they are made from yeast, or could be another reason. They usually put so many different enzymes in the popular brands. So who knows.
But in the last couple of days I been taking the ones that TEI make. Digest V zyme and strangely I'm able to take them and my stool looks so much better now. Worth a try I think for people with sibo.

Funny you mention that today. I’m aiming for 2 meals pretty spread out throughout day currently. For instance a noon meal and a 7ish pm meal. So today I took wobemzye a solid hour before meal. I noticed it made me feel better when I took it definitely like it helped body detox better allowing brain to function better.

I seemed to have digested it well and felt better for several hours after eating but the transit was horrid afterward. Still, I’m constipated as all hell gut in knots 6 hours later.

There’s pathogens living and dying and causing havoc in my gut. The brain to gut connection just isn’t there the majority of the time if ever now. This happened immediately upon stopping antibiotics. An absolutely demolished gut.

The juice- broth/nutmilk fast helped a bit but not enough. I needed coffee to make me function. Currently I’m back on coffee- hope it helps me get through the next 9 days.

It’s in such a bad spot that I’m considering some craziness right now. Might juice feast with the herbs for up to 35-40 days. Give it all I got. Probiotic enemas at night. Rife a bit in days.

I’m pretty pumped to be honest. Will be at vacation house for the month. Making this easy for myself as possible due to the likely major herxheimer reactions. Will spend a lot of time in the sea. Biking a bit too.