Snell's log

[Snell1234]

Hi

Just wanted to do a quick log. Did pine pollen for 5 to 6 months. Stopped due to low potassium symptoms.

Been off 4 weeks. First week or two off was bad. Then a big pick up. Then from week 3 to week 4 I've regressed again. Hopefully this is just a swing and I can get another up swing. The hormones probably stay in the system for a while so I'm not ready to make a call one way or another where I will land.

Will keep things updated here.

Going to get a blood test in 4 weeks.

Any recommendations of what I need to get tested (other than the obvious things like progesterone, test, estrogen etc.)

Edit: Sorry, would it be possible if this thread could be moved to the logs section. I apologise for putting this in the wrong area.

 

[Snell1234]

Just to update further. This is all so strange - I am bouncing again. I had a bounce, then it seemed to go, now I'm bouncing again at the 4 week mark. It must be to do with the hormones from the pine pollen taking a while to leave the body, or maybe the different hormones in it all last a different time and the bounces are related to this.

Will keep updating.

 

[wuf]

I have been bouncing as crazy ery other day for 10 months.. that makes you become crazy, so get use to it.

 

[Snell1234]

I have been bouncing as crazy ery other day for 10 months.. that makes you become crazy, so get use to it.

Not relevant to what I am speaking about. Not bounces from a day to day proposition with pfs. I am speaking about permanent changes in base line.

 

[Snell1234]

[mention]gbolduev[/mention] How long does it take potassium to bounce back when you have drained it for a long time? Is there anything I can take to assist which won't harm the bounce back process.

I can confirm the bounce back process than occur still at about 4 or 5 weeks off pine pollen.

 

[Snell1234]

[mention]gbolduev[/mention]

Gbol - can you please clarify the pine pollen action.

I get the andro and androsterone impacts - tanking 3b hsd and inhabiting 5ar.

It also has dhea in it and testosterone - can this interfere with any of the actions of it?

My potassium got really, really low when I finished taking it and it's picking up but slowly. Does the potassium take a while to fully bounce back after it's been tanked for so long?

I was thinking of throwing in an insult here to coax you into replying but I will refrain!

 

[wuf]

Just my 2 cents...are still hoping to see improvements just because you quitted pine pollen?
Improvements in PFS come by long long time if they ever happen...people who is receiving fast improvements, see them suddenly as the example of the Ella's guy.
So, I guess you are stucked by waiting something that is not coming. Sorry to be so clear.

 

[Snell1234]

Just my 2 cents...are still hoping to see improvements just because you quitted pine pollen?
Improvements in PFS come by long long time if they ever happen...people who is receiving fast improvements, see them suddenly as the example of the Ella's guy.
So, I guess you are stucked by waiting something that is not coming. Sorry to be so clear.

You have no fucking idea what you are talking about. Your contributions here and on swolesource would have to be the worst out of anyone. You speak shit and you don't know the first thing about what you are saying.

And I asked gbolduev to comment, not you. If I ever asked you for your opinion, which I never will, except for the fact if i go opposite what you say I might arrive at a decent answer, I'll make that clear to you.

You really are a stain on two forums. No wonder cdnuts banned you for a week.

 

[Goose12]

@gbolduev

Gbol - can you please clarify the pine pollen action.

I get the andro and androsterone impacts - tanking 3b hsd and inhabiting 5ar.

It also has dhea in it and testosterone - can this interfere with any of the actions of it?

My potassium got really, really low when I finished taking it and it's picking up but slowly. Does the potassium take a while to fully bounce back after it's been tanked for so long?

I was thinking of throwing in an insult here to coax you into replying but I will refrain!

I know when I took licorice it tanked my potassium and gave me high blood pressure. It took a good month to get it under control and another two weeks to get it back to normal. I was drinking and eating things with high potassium the hole time, lots of coconut water. Things fluctuated a lot but in the end my erection quality was permanently improved. Hopefully gbolduev can answer this for you, that's just my experience

Hear is a an article explaining how licorice tanks potassium
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3498851/

What are your low potassium symptoms?

 

[Snell1234]

@gbolduev

Gbol - can you please clarify the pine pollen action.

I get the andro and androsterone impacts - tanking 3b hsd and inhabiting 5ar.

It also has dhea in it and testosterone - can this interfere with any of the actions of it?

My potassium got really, really low when I finished taking it and it's picking up but slowly. Does the potassium take a while to fully bounce back after it's been tanked for so long?

I was thinking of throwing in an insult here to coax you into replying but I will refrain!

I know when I took licorice it tanked my potassium and gave high blood pressure. It took a good month to get it under control and another two weeks to get it back to normal. I was drinking and eating things with high potassium the hole time, lots of coconut water. Things fluctuated a lot but in the end my erecting quality was permanently improved. Hopefully gbolduev can answer this for you, that's just my experience

Hear is a an article explaining how licorice tanks potassium
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3498851/

What are your low potassium symptoms?

THanks - I appreciate that. Interesting what your experience was.

My main symptoms of low potassium are leg cramping (when its at it's most severe - this has mostly gone now), leg stinging (especially in my calves, my calves would have points on them that stung), fast heart rate, completely anxiety ridden body and mind, a sense of impending doom.

How about you?

 

[TubZy]

Zinc and betaine HCL would increase potassium back up in the cell according to gbol, right? Have you tried that when you experienced severe low potassium, did it relieve any symptoms?

 

[Goose12]

I didn't have the cramps but I had everything else you described. I didn't know if the anxiety was directly related to potassium because I learned licorice root can increase cortisol. But there is probably a correlation between cortisol and potassium. The anxiety and feeling if impending doom was the worst. My mind was always racing non stop. The only thing that gave me relief at the time was mucuna pruriens. An hour or two after taking it my mind would calm down.

Here is the one I took, I am sure there are better ones out there

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B016XGDVVO/ref=mp_s_a_1_16_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1507998364&sr=8-16&keywords=mucuna+pruriens

I would think rhodiola, eleuthero, and goji berry would help with anxiety. I have never tried them when my anxiety was really bad but I notice a nice boost in my mood when I have taken them, and they are from CD nuts protocol. The herbs are powerful and should always be cycled.

 

[wuf]

Just my 2 cents...are still hoping to see improvements just because you quitted pine pollen?
Improvements in PFS come by long long time if they ever happen...people who is receiving fast improvements, see them suddenly as the example of the Ella's guy.
So, I guess you are stucked by waiting something that is not coming. Sorry to be so clear.

You have no fucking idea what you are talking about. Your contributions here and on swolesource would have to be the worst out of anyone. You speak shit and you don't know the first thing about what you are saying.

And I asked gbolduev to comment, not you. If I ever asked you for your opinion, which I never will, except for the fact if i go opposite what you say I might arrive at a decent answer, I'll make that clear to you.

You really are a stain on two forums. No wonder cdnuts banned you for a week.

I'm sorry that I hurt you by telling you what facts are showing you as well.

 

[Snell1234]

Just my 2 cents...are still hoping to see improvements just because you quitted pine pollen?ii
Improvements in PFS come by long long time if they ever happen...people who is receiving fast improvements, see them suddenly as the example of the Ella's guy.
So, I guess you are stucked by waiting something that is not coming. Sorry to be so clear.

You have no fucking idea what you are talking about. Your contributions here and on swolesource would have to be the worst out of anyone. You speak shit and you don't know the first thing about what you are saying.

And I asked gbolduev to comment, not you. If I ever asked you for your opinion, which I never will, except for the fact if i go opposite what you say I might arrive at a decent answer, I'll make that clear to you.

You really are a stain on two forums. No wonder cdnuts banned you for a week.

I'm sorry that I hurt you by telling you what facts are showing you as well.

Have you read goose's story. He told me it took him 8 weeks to get his erection back after stopping licorice root and 6 weeks for his potassium to go back to normal.

If you had any experience in healing or any understanding of the mechanism of what is going on your opinion might be worth something. But you don't. You are clueless. So stop pretending you know what you are talking about when you honestly don't have the slightest clue.

 

[Snell1234]

Zinc and betaine HCL would increase potassium back up in the cell according to gbol, right? Have you tried that when you experienced severe low potassium, did it relieve any symptoms?

I'll look into that. I'm just wondering if I'm better letting it play out so I get the full bounce back effect instead of doing anything to fix it. Goose told me via pm that after licorice root it took him 6 weeks for the potassium to go back up and then the erection qualify returned at the 8 week mark. I'll try to hold on a bit longer to get the same timeline as him.

 

[Jaxx]

It's remarkable how we can have different experiences. Licorice root (lower dose) gave me very strong erections from day 1, more energy but no impact on libido.

 

[Goose12]

Zinc and betaine HCL would increase potassium back up in the cell according to gbol, right? Have you tried that when you experienced severe low potassium, did it relieve any symptoms?

I'll look into that. I'm just wondering if I'm better letting it play out so I get the full bounce back effect instead of doing anything to fix it. Goose told me via pm that after licorice root it took him 6 weeks for the potassium to go back up and then the erection qualify returned at the 8 week mark. I'll try to hold on a bit longer to get the same timeline as him.

Are you cycling any herbs, I started herbs around 4 weeks after my potassium tanked but I don't know if it really helped with the potassium. I think the biggest thing is time but I think we need to constantly keep moving forward. That's what I like about CD protocol is it been proven to at least not hurt anybody, from what I know.

I know you will get over it snell, good luck.

 

[wuf]

You have no fucking idea what you are talking about. Your contributions here and on swolesource would have to be the worst out of anyone. You speak shit and you don't know the first thing about what you are saying.

And I asked gbolduev to comment, not you. If I ever asked you for your opinion, which I never will, except for the fact if i go opposite what you say I might arrive at a decent answer, I'll make that clear to you.

You really are a stain on two forums. No wonder cdnuts banned you for a week.

I'm sorry that I hurt you by telling you what facts are showing you as well.

Have you read goose's story. He told me it took him 8 weeks to get his erection back after stopping licorice root and 6 weeks for his potassium to go back to normal.

If you had any experience in healing or any understanding of the mechanism of what is going on your opinion might be worth something. But you don't. You are clueless. So stop pretending you know what you are talking about when you honestly don't have the slightest clue.

Sure, let us know if you have a bounce back in 6 months..keep us updated.

 

[Snell1234]

I'm sorry that I hurt you by telling you what facts are showing you as well.

Have you read goose's story. He told me it took him 8 weeks to get his erection back after stopping licorice root and 6 weeks for his potassium to go back to normal.

If you had any experience in healing or any understanding of the mechanism of what is going on your opinion might be worth something. But you don't. You are clueless. So stop pretending you know what you are talking about when you honestly don't have the slightest clue.

Sure, let us know if you have a bounce back in 6 months..keep us updated.

Please stop commenting in my log. Take your nonsense elsewhere. I remember over at ray peat gbol actually gave you a personalised treatment protocol - the only one he did that for.

Let me guess - you haven't' done it. As you always know better. Now get out of my log.

 

[Snell1234]

Zinc and betaine HCL would increase potassium back up in the cell according to gbol, right? Have you tried that when you experienced severe low potassium, did it relieve any symptoms?

I'll look into that. I'm just wondering if I'm better letting it play out so I get the full bounce back effect instead of doing anything to fix it. Goose told me via pm that after licorice root it took him 6 weeks for the potassium to go back up and then the erection qualify returned at the 8 week mark. I'll try to hold on a bit longer to get the same timeline as him.

Are you cycling any herbs, I started herbs around 4 weeks after my potassium tanked but I don't know if it really helped with the potassium. I think the biggest thing is time but I think we need to constantly keep moving forward. That's what I like about CD protocol is it been proven to at least not hurt anybody, from what I know.

I know you will get over it snell, good luck.

Thanks. I've been on them all but having a break at the moment just to let things all normalise out. Also so I can get some accurate blood tests and hair tests to see where I am at.

My gut instinct is telling me to have a break from everything and ride the next few weeks out. The improvement has been well above baseline sexually and physically. It's just the low potassium which is taking its time to bounce back.