Super R-Andro Rx - Why does it make me feel like shit now?

[Walker]

As the title says, now that I've had PFS in my rear view mirror for a decent time now, I've noticed that strangely enough, when I run Super R Andro or Andro Hard now - I can run it for like two weeks Max and it makes me feel like ass afterwards going forward. What makes zero sense to me is that I felt great on the compound when I had PFS (well, great relative to feeling like shit), and now that I'm healed and only wanting to use it for leaning/shredding with my workouts, I can't tolerate it......

Surprisingly enough, @Cdsnuts has the same exact issue. So what could possibly be the issue? From reading here, maybe it's from tanking potassium?

Anyway, as I love the results of the compound, I would love to figure it out......any takers?

 

[Cdsnuts]

As the title says, now that I've had PFS in my rear view mirror for a decent time now, I've noticed that strangely enough, when I run Super R Andro or Andro Hard now - I can run it for like two weeks Max and it makes me feel like ass afterwards going forward. What makes zero sense to me is that I felt great on the compound when I had PFS (well, great relative to feeling like shit), and now that I'm healed and only wanting to use it for leaning/shredding with my workouts, I can't tolerate it......

Surprisingly enough, @Cdsnuts has the same exact issue. So what could possibly be the issue? From reading here, maybe it's from tanking potassium?

Anyway, as I love the results of the compound, I would love to figure it out......any takers?

I would love to know why as well because I miss cycling. I've stopped for this very reason as it's not fun anymore. Thing is, it's just with this brand. The original Androhard from Primordial Performance never gave me this issue. I can get two weeks ....max, out of this compound now and then it's all down hill from there. Bummer

I think we just need to try other brands to see what hits right. Luckily for me, my buddy Wes scored some Androhard V3 from Primordial Performance! I cannot believe I get to run this one more time. I'm saving it for summer.....super pumped!

 

[MNK99]

@Walker, as in tired/fatigued? Low energy? Or feeling bad in some other way? I'll add [0.5,1.0] bananas post workout, just in case and also bc my carbs are mostly post-workout anyways.

 

[freeflow]

Im still in my PFS state and it makes me feel horrible. Lethargy, huge depression, anger, disappointment etc, all the bad feelings you can list in connection with negativity. For me its happening because it lowers my estrogen. Same symptoms that I get when I use tongkat ali.
Interestingly when I added copper to R andro I started to feel very very good. Copper increases estrogen in the body.

I could last 2 weeks on R andro and after I came off I had a great snap back after 3 days off. My head was becoming clear, great amounts of energy and motivation, music enjoyement. The herbs were working much stronger in that eleveated state. Then I crashed with diarrhoea just like everytime when I crash after an elevated state. Stools turn back to yellow, showing that 5 beta reductase is diminshed.
My experience completely matches what Gbold wrote in the PFS detailed mechanism thread.

 

[MNK99]

Can you pair it with 4-Andro @ Freeflow?
@IHateFin and @Walker did, and I started to as well. My estrogen was low before ever using it and I was walking around all stiff until I added 4-Andro (still a bit stiff but far less badly).

Copper could work too as per @gbolduev's theories. I have other issues that may make copper a bad idea for me tho.

Strongsupplements or Strongsupplementshop is where I'll buy all that stuff in the future, not ebay (gets thru customs in a lot of nations).

 

[freeflow]

Can you pair it with 4-Andro @ Freeflow.
@IHateFin and @Walker did, and I started to as well. My estrogen was low before ever using it and I was walking around all stiff until I added 4-Andro (still a bit stiff but far less badly).

I have never tried 4 andro unfortunately, but im pretty sure it would help a lot to make it more tolerable to be on R andro.

But also have to consider as andro is killing the aromataze enzyme it makes estrogen receptors more sensitive and possibly this mechanism is needed to let DHT sensitivity come back. Also retains copper in the body.

 

[wuf]

I have never tried 4 andro unfortunately, but im pretty sure it would help a lot to make it more tolerable to be on R andro.
But also have to consider as andro is killing the aromataze enzyme it makes estrogen receptors more sensitive and possibly this mechanism is needed to let DHT sensitivity come back. Also retains copper in the body.

I am not that sure that "killing" aromatase enzyme means to make it more sensitive, gbold said the opposite.

 

[freeflow]

I am not that sure that "killing" aromatase enzyme means to make it more sensitive, gbold said the opposite.

If u reduce the aromataze enzyme which makes estrogen your estrogen will be lowered. Your body will compensate by increasing your estrogen receptors and holding on copper.

 

[wuf]

Not sure about that. I mean logically it seems right what you are saying, but I remember I used arimidex and it destroyed my estrogens production for such a long time, I had very bad sides.

 

[Goose12]

Im still in my PFS state and it makes me feel horrible. Lethargy, huge depression, anger, disappointment etc, all the bad feelings you can list in connection with negativity. For me its happening because it lowers my estrogen. Same symptoms that I get when I use tongkat ali.
Interestingly when I added copper to R andro I started to feel very very good. Copper increases estrogen in the body.

I could last 2 weeks on R andro and after I came off I had a great snap back after 3 days off. My head was becoming clear, great amounts of energy and motivation, music enjoyement. The herbs were working much stronger in that eleveated state. Then I crashed with diarrhoea just like everytime when I crash after an elevated state. Stools turn back to yellow, showing that 5 beta reductase is diminshed.
My experience completely matches what Gbold wrote in the PFS detailed mechanism thread.

I remember when I first tried andro and it would give me liver pain and digestion issues. I had to spend a couple of months getting my digestion and liver in shape before running it.

Cd's herbs help, wormwood helped get bile moving, and green powder in the morning helped with digestion, and lipo vitamin c helped with liver pain. Running the electrolytes protocol and fasting could also help.

 

[TubZy]

Honestly, I think it mainly is just coming down to tolerance especially since you are recovered already.

Many of us responded to R andro postively the first time and never got the same effect so it is not just only people that just recovered. The people that also run multiple cycle after cycle seem to experience it as well just at shorter durations meaning every cycle starts off good and the positive effects wear off earlier and earlier each cycle eg. feel good for four weeks than next cycle feel good for two weeks then next cycle only feel good the first week then feel like crap onward. Seems mostly do to tolerance IMO.

If one really wanted to test it, go on a water fast for for two weeks or so then run it again after you come off the fast, see how you feel, you probably will respond much better to it.

CD you respond better to the original androhard since it contains epiandro as well not just androsterone so you could feel better from the combo of the two.

 

[Cdsnuts]

Honestly, I think it mainly is just coming down to tolerance especially since you are recovered already.

Many of us responded to R andro postively the first time and never got the same effect so it is not just only people that just recovered. The people that also run multiple cycle after cycle seem to experience it as well just at shorter durations meaning every cycle starts off good and the positive effects wear off earlier and earlier each cycle eg. feel good for four weeks than next cycle feel good for two weeks then next cycle only feel good the first week then feel like crap onward. Seems mostly do to tolerance IMO.

If one really wanted to test it, go on a water fast for for two weeks or so then run it again after you come off the fast, see how you feel, you probably will respond much better to it.

CD you respond better to the original androhard since it contains epiandro as well not just androsterone so you could feel better from the combo of the two.

That's odd because I don't respond well to epi at all. I've tried it as a stand alone several times and it doesn't agree with me. Not sure if that could be it.....

 

[TubZy]

That's odd because I don't respond well to epi at all. I've tried it as a stand alone several times and it doesn't agree with me. Not sure if that could be it.....

have you tried any other androsterone version besides R Andro? So you don't respond to R andro alone and you don't respond to epi alone but in combination you do respond?

 

[IHateFin]

Im still in my PFS state and it makes me feel horrible. Lethargy, huge depression, anger, disappointment etc, all the bad feelings you can list in connection with negativity. For me its happening because it lowers my estrogen. Same symptoms that I get when I use tongkat ali.
Interestingly when I added copper to R andro I started to feel very very good. Copper increases estrogen in the body.

I could last 2 weeks on R andro and after I came off I had a great snap back after 3 days off. My head was becoming clear, great amounts of energy and motivation, music enjoyement. The herbs were working much stronger in that eleveated state. Then I crashed with diarrhoea just like everytime when I crash after an elevated state. Stools turn back to yellow, showing that 5 beta reductase is diminshed.
My experience completely matches what Gbold wrote in the PFS detailed mechanism thread.

4AD helps a lot man like its day and night. i now only take randro 100mg every other day and 200mg 4andro with it and 100mg on days i dont take randro and its great. 2.5mg of ru raises estrogen quite well so i would give that a shot too as well as pairing it with copper and tribulous. estrogen makes androgen receptors sensitive and you wanna keep prog at bay whilst increasing estrogen

 

[Cdsnuts]

have you tried any other androsterone version besides R Andro? So you don't respond to R andro alone and you don't respond to epi alone but in combination you do respond?

Of course I have! Lol. Most of them that were on the market going back about a year and a half to two years ago. R andro gave me the best feel and results, so that's why I recommended that one.

I've always said that it had to be something else that PP did with their products because I know people say that the two compounds are the two compounds they used, but they don't feel that way......at all. There has to be some minute differences. Has to be.

That said, even the transdermal androhard from muscle gelz is supposed to be the same ingredients as PP's androhard, but talking to other guys that have run that version said it wasn't even close.

I wish I knew what the differences were.

 

[Niles]

4AD helps a lot man like its day and night. i now only take randro 100mg every other day and 200mg 4andro with it and 100mg on days i dont take randro and its great. 2.5mg of ru raises estrogen quite well so i would give that a shot too as well as pairing it with copper and tribulous. estrogen makes androgen receptors sensitive and you wanna keep prog at bay whilst increasing estrogen

Ever feel suppression from the 4-andro post-cycle?

 

[IHateFin]

Ever feel suppression from the 4-andro post-cycle?

Yes, definitely unfortunately but I feel surprisingly good that considered.

Now that I have enclomid pct will be so much better and easier too

 

[MNK99]

@IHateFin, did you always use those doses like 100-200mg of each? Bc, I am using 400mg of each. Is this overkill? Sometimes 500mg, but I try and keep it lower, 200 pre workout, 200 post workout. And if it affects anything else badly, I lower it (like I did at first). I titrated onwards from 100 or 200mg, initially for R-Andro.

 

[Niles]

Yes, definitely unfortunately but I feel surprisingly good that considered.

Now that I have enclomid pct will be so much better and easier too

How long did it take to recover from suppression without enclomid? What kind of symptoms were you noticing, and how severe? Sorry to grill you, lol, just considering a similar cycle in the coming months.

 

[IHateFin]

@IHateFin, did you always use those doses like 100-200mg of each? Bc, I am using 400mg of each. Is this overkill? Sometimes 500mg, but I try and keep it lower, 200 pre workout, 200 post workout. And if it affects anything else badly, I lower it (like I did at first). I titrated onwards from 100 or 200mg, initially for R-Andro.

I ran Randro 400mg a day and have gone up to 500mg but each time I run it I need less n less cuz I become more and more sensitive to it haha
I have never ran more than 4 pills of 4AD which is 200mg.
I'm so sensitive to Randro at this point 100mg EOD does me well and keeps my estrogen from tanking