To fap or not to fap

[barbaar]

Ok sorry about the title but I really need some input on this :lol:

I've read so many people say things about 'crashing' after orgasm, and it potentially setting back recovery. After noticing some increased sensitivity due to my ella run, I couldn't help myself and jerked it twice this morning. Sensitivity seems to be back down again, and my mood is way worse too. Could be a coincidence, but I think it's my fault. Did I ruin my cycle? What are the mechanisms causing this? Should I give up fapping forever? (god I hope not).

 

[tanedout]

I think fapping when on or soon after any of these protocols is one of the worst things you can do. You lose zinc and deplete male hormones. When you are trying to essentially correct something that ties in with a hormone-imbalance then it's a really bad idea.

Look at the no-fap guys They're in this same mess from too much fapping, and some are able to recover by doing extended no-fap for months or even years.

I know it's always tempting to 'give it a test run' :lol: , but it couldn't be more important to abstain in this situation!

 

[barbaar]

Hmm [mention]expendable[/mention] did you notice anything similar? Maybe it differs per case/person.

[mention]tanedout[/mention] Wait no-fap guys get something PSSD/PFS-like from too much fapping? That's pretty crazy. I really should cut down on the pr0n and stuff.

 

[Goose12]

I am a saw palmetto sufferer and I used to worry if fapping would slow my recovery or set me back but it never has. I know everyone is different but I have never had an orgasm cause a crash. I honestly feel better after I do. I have gone extended periods of no fapping and I feel like it doesn't help.

I have played with fap and no fap throughout my recovery and never noticed a benefit from no fapping. I think as long as you eat healthy and get enough minerals and zinc you will be fine. I read that long term abstinence can slightly decrease testosterone.

Everyone is different and you just need to listen to your body and it will tell you what to do.

 

[Shadow]

Hmm @expendable did you notice anything similar? Maybe it differs per case/person.

@tanedout Wait no-fap guys get something PSSD/PFS-like from too much fapping? That's pretty crazy. I really should cut down on the pr0n and stuff.

It definitely differs from person to person.
There is a PSSDForum users, who recovered like 70% naturally and crashed to PSSD state after orgasming a second or third time while having sex with his gf.

 

[expendable]

Hmm @expendable did you notice anything similar? Maybe it differs per case/person.

@tanedout Wait no-fap guys get something PSSD/PFS-like from too much fapping? That's pretty crazy. I really should cut down on the pr0n and stuff.

It definitely differs from person to person.
There is a PSSDForum users, who recovered like 70% naturally and crashed to PSSD state after orgasming a second or third time while having sex with his gf.

I've read that story like 10 times trying to figure out how the fuck that happened. Extremely weird.

barbaar, I always say to do nofap, and the one time I did nofap (~3 days) with licorice root I woke up and literally felt better sexually than I ever have in my life EVER. But I don't have enough self-control to actually do it. Still, it doesn't seem to hurt me to fap, unless I do it like 5 or more times in a day :lol: So take that as you will. Perhaps we can find connections to POIS, I know gbold mentioned that somewhere.

 

[IHateFin]

Limit fapping to once every other day. I notice that after skipping the day my wood thenext morning is great and libido better then when I jerk off it causes me to have meh wood the next day and a meh libido.

Rn your body is sensitive to prolactin and can't reduce it quick enough like it could prefin. Best not to bombard the body with it

 

[freeflow]

As I crashed into PFS with a fap, recovering to 95% 1 month later then crashing again with a fap I say its defo not good for me.

Before I got into PFS I was doing a 1 week of nofap. Gbold was explaining that POIS happens if you masturbate a lot then you stop masturbating for a while and then the crash will come. Body loses zinc with ejaculation and it compensates with progesterone receptor upregulation, he said somthg like this.

 

[barbaar]

[mention]freeflow[/mention] Interesting! Do you think this could be connected to what nofappers call flatline? It's apparently what happens to some after they quit and sounds a lot like what we're experiencing. If what Gbold says is true that totally makes sense. However, flatline usually resolves by itself after some time I believe so it might not be the exact same thing.

 

[freeflow]

It will not resolve itself by nofap only, but IMO nofap is essential for my recovery as I got back quite much libido with 5aris, woke up with rock hard erections, libido, good mood. Libido was strong so I had to fap and ejaculation crashed me back to the pfs state. Sometimes the first ejaculation did not do it but I did it a 2nd time and the brain fog appeared, weakness etc.

Right now Im on nofap since the middle of july, only edge. Yet libido appears only after 5aris or pine pollen not by absistence of ejaculation. At least I do not crash myself down all the time like I did inthe past

 

[wuf]

http://www.yourbrainrebalanced.com/forum/threads/consequences-of-excessive-masturbation.365/page-2

Fatigue. Feeling tired all the time
Lower back pain
Stress / Anxiety
Thinning hair / Hair Loss
Soft / Weak Erection
Premature Ejaculation
Eye floaters or fuzzy vision
Groin / Testicular Pain
Pain or cramp in the pelvic cavity or/and tail bone


I had all these and im on 54 days no PMO and all of them have gone away

 

[barbaar]

[mention]wuf[/mention] wow even the eye floaters? I've had those for a while and thought there's nothing that can be done about them.

 

[wuf]

@wuf wow even the eye floaters? I've had those for a while and thought there's nothing that can be done about them.

try to don't use your hand.... )))

 

[namaste]

Interestingly enough, I feel like crap for days after fapping. As others have mentioned, no-fap on it's own is unlikely to make you feel better but it is probably an essential component of recovery.

 

[stupidfreak]

Well i personally was hypersexual pre fin.Multiple ejaculations every day,either from sex or masturbating.Like i had a burns inside my penis after 5th or 6th orgasm yet i could still go for a couple of rounds.

I noticed that nofap just made me worse.Idk,my erections are still weak and i have no libido,but not faping gives me more anxiety and even headaches

 

[Canari]

just look at the balance of sympathetic and parasympathetic activation and how is the balance during sex, and you will understand more what is happening!
Arousal means sympathetic activation. Ejaculation is a sudden change of balance towards parasympathetic. So you can feel down. Adrenaline persons prefer to stay on the high side, and sex is a pendulation between up and down, which cannot be stood when there is a nervous disregulation of the system.