Why we dont get the feeling wheb drinking alcohol and the hangover is different also?

[BeLikeWater]

Lets study the symptoms. Can we reverse it? I have dont 2 times I obly remember what I dif different in one of those. Show me your ideas.

 

[MNK99]

hmmm this is fascinating

i wonder if I should get drunk 247 and cure my pfs. -It's obvious. Learn some science but don't conc on stupid things.

 

[RebelWithACause]

Yea in beginning in PFS alcohol made me tired and depressed. Now it just works like it does.

First time I got drunk a few months ago after improving PFS I landed in hospital because I drank too much because it was so enjoyable and fell on my head and blacked out. Would not recommend. They said I had low alcohol %. Normally guys come in with 5-10% alcohol percentage and they can still walk fine. Mine was like 2% and I could not walk and talk. This is of course because I did not drink anything for a year+ so I was very sensitive to the alcohol.

I did not drink anymore since then.

I think this has to do with finasteride on itself lowering the effects of alcohol. So if you are in PFS state I think finasteride's effects are still active in a sense. Which means you do not get effects from alcohol. For example my hair stayed perfect even after blasting testosterone and DHT compounds like Proviron in PFS state. Finasteride stops it's own metabolism or at least slows it down.

Once you improve your PFS state you will be able to tolerate alcohol and it will have a pleasant (GABA) effect.

 

[Walker]

Yea in beginning in PFS alcohol made me tired and depressed. Now it just works like it does.

First time I got drunk a few months ago after improving PFS I landed in hospital because I drank too much because it was so enjoyable and fell on my head and blacked out. Would not recommend. They said I had low alcohol %. Normally guys come in with 5-10% alcohol percentage and they can still walk fine. Mine was like 2% and I could not walk and talk. This is of course because I did not drink anything for a year+ so I was very sensitive to the alcohol.

I did not drink anymore since then.

I think this has to do with finasteride on itself lowering the effects of alcohol. So if you are in PFS state I think finasteride's effects are still active in a sense. Which means you do not get effects from alcohol. For example my hair stayed perfect even after blasting testosterone and DHT compounds like Proviron in PFS state. Finasteride stops it's own metabolism or at least slows it down.

Once you improve your PFS state you will be able to tolerate alcohol and it will have a pleasant (GABA) effect.

Indeed one of the first things that I noticed near the end of my recovery journey was the ability to get a good drunk feeling again.

However I don't believe that Fin has anything to do with your tolerance for alcohol. That has to do with matter of use, honestly. I used to have a great tolerance for alcohol cause I literally drank daily and partied a few times a week. Now that I am healed I still don't drink as often as I used to, and my tolerance is lower. It's like the first time you use nicotine versus someone who uses it daily. Just not the same.

 

[RebelWithACause]

Indeed one of the first things that I noticed near the end of my recovery journey was the ability to get a good drunk feeling again.

However I don't believe that Fin has anything to do with your tolerance for alcohol. That has to do with matter of use, honestly. I used to have a great tolerance for alcohol cause I literally drank daily and partied a few times a week. Now that I am healed I still don't drink as often as I used to, and my tolerance is lower. It's like the first time you use nicotine versus someone who uses it daily. Just not the same.

When I used finasteride I would not get GABA feeling (confidence/anti-anxiety) from alcohol. I have never been a heavy drinker except in my teens and even when I would drink once a month on finasteride the effect was much less and not as good.

 

[Walker]

Indeed one of the first things that I noticed near the end of my recovery journey was the ability to get a good drunk feeling again.

However I don't believe that Fin has anything to do with your tolerance for alcohol. That has to do with matter of use, honestly. I used to have a great tolerance for alcohol cause I literally drank daily and partied a few times a week. Now that I am healed I still don't drink as often as I used to, and my tolerance is lower. It's like the first time you use nicotine versus someone who uses it daily. Just not the same.

I'm talking about once you're near recovery like you were stating. At that point, it's just a tolerance issue. Definitely during the depths of PFS it is different.

 

[MNK99]

Exactly. I had crazy tolerance to alcohol. 20 shots of vodka. I drank well over 4000 drinks, even with zero drinks or 10 - 20 drinking days in 4-6 yrs of my 20's (10-20 per each of those years), which means crazy tolerance. Harder as I got older, and yeah it wasn't fun.

At some point Effexor and the like do make you drink more, esp. with mania (or depression, if someone drinks when depressed). But I was wasted then and dumber.
Whereas RIGHT BEFORE THAT and 2 yrs later, I COULD OUTDRINK nearly anyone. Not bragging, probably screwed me up more, but I'm over it, as long as I don't give in to temptation. It would take 6mo to 1.5-2yrs to ever get it out of hand, but if something tragic happened, there's a risk for sure. However, I had apartments 3.5yrs, and alcohol in there only when some good friends came over or some family members, the rest knew I wasn't drinking. I mean it's definitely not good for memory problems, fitness addicts, people who are manic or depressive. So, all those things and a lot more... yeah, it's bad news. A useless crutch, that when excessively consumed can literally kill you and render you moronic (what other drugs even do this??) Friends with liver damage mid 20's. HARD drugs hardly do that (pharma drugs sure, but that's different).

Tolerance is why... I could drink half a bottle by end of year (375ml) soon enough, if I started drinking now. Just like I did last year after not for like 2 yrs (but I was extremely depressed then). Tolerance is seen in.... like 25 male relatives (past and present). That I can think of ... others I don't know.

Same with some asian friends, no tolerance... just like their relatives. Japanese, Indians, Russians, Slavic, etc... Irish, etc... can drink. Also Koreans. Also a lot of caucasian north americans and europeans (whether they are ethnicity a b or c or d etc). Also, maybe some people get rich and they start drinking (have access) as do their descendants. Whereas those never exposed to alcohol, never develop tolerance, like perhaps some indiginous people?

Some asians lack the enzymes to process alcohol.
Also some people just have no tolerance and they kept that way (which turned out to be a smart* thing to do -- i.e. not drinking).

GABA affects are involved, but it's simple and easy to just say that... like SSRI's affect serotonin,... what does that even mean.

-Re: Accutane: Well 90d at 17-18... probably worse anxiety (don't think it caused all psyche issues), didn't stop me from drinking years of income for some ppl (small potatoes... stuff's expensive in Canada, partying etc). ---> So still drank a lot... and yeah it worked, but obv didn't either. It didn't work for mood, life, stress, etc.
---> Only till 23. I had terrible influences, I beat all of them.
-ALL this nonsense, is mostly recoverable. ---AND it's easy for others to give up... BUT, I'd be gone for all of these things then right?

 

[vicecaz]

Same with accutane, alcohol is not enjoyable at all. I find it crazy that such different molecules can lead to the same specific symptoms

 

[MNK99]

-Perhaps:
-All (act or seem like) progestins.
-All cause similar HTPA issues, and dysregulation, with downstream hormonal desensitization. AR, GR, etc.
-And mineral imbalances. In short.
-All beatable/near beatable tho, otherwise I'm ruined by 21... and 22 and beyond. So I refuse to accept that. And take it several steps further than that, but suffice it to say (^).

-You know who else is unbalanced? EVERYONE IN THE SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE (SOME COUNTRIES WORSE THAN OTHERS). And they would physically destroy most north americans and other health nuts (sierra leone, ghana, etc). Functional strength, mental resilience matters most.
-Also: EVERYONE who ever took a single med... so.... literally anyone and everyone who ever took anything. --so if you've done all... should be super screwed, but again, I refuse to accept that.
-I'lll cure this ppl will say "genetics, no problem ever." I get rich: "asshole", be poor:"genes". People will always find excuses to hate on other's success and to point at their failings, and they do the same for themselves. Fundamental Attribution Error. And other attribution errors. Welcome to reality everyone.
-Or also extreme N, E, W, whatever... harsh climates make ppl stronger perhaps. AND more resilient and often before globalization, more natural too.
--18,000 drinks after accutane, 10000 on and after effexor, 5000 like the next 2-3yrs. barely any fr 24+ on. ... not missing much. Easy for me to say, but really it wasn't.
-seriously 10 drinks x 1 day x 2.5yrs or so. if not more. I mean one drink being one oz of vodka or 1.5oz.

-TL;DR (or more aptly put, for those that cannot read, due to illiteracy) ---> ALCOHOL WORKS AGAIN. SO WOULD SMACK AND CRACK. AND OPIUM. RIDDERALL TOO!!!!!!!

 

[BeLikeWater]

Man completly agrrre. The only time alcohol affected me as the same mode before pfs, was after second ella cycle 5 days after pill. 2 beers and got totally stupid funny drunk, unfortunatly it didnt stay. Now I can drink a lot feel nothing..

 

[MNK99]

-tolerance also plays a role, even if you are 60-80 or 90%. I made tolerance like 8-10 yrs ago... so if I st drinking again, soon... with rapidly increased doses, tolerance arises.
-It's a lot more complicated than this: but basically you force yourself to increase tolerance to any particular substance, including substances of abuse, i.e. addictions.

TOLERANCE to all still there... if I wanted... dex or illegal stims or alc or any thing would BE HIGH (for things I have hi tolerance too), like walker said...
BUT* things that jacked me up pre drugs or post.... like cannabis still would

 

[BeLikeWater]

Tolerance has nothing to do.. I drinked a lot more pre pfs and alcohol affectdd me differently now it just blunt me.

 

[Walker]

Tolerance has nothing to do.. I drinked a lot more pre pfs and alcohol affectdd me differently now it just blunt me.

Read the post. I am NOT talking about during PFS. He stated that once he was near recovery it still felt like he was very sensitive to alcohol. At that point, if you've been obstaining, it's a tolenrance issue. While I had PFS, alcohol did nothing for me......no good feeling, just made me tired and anxious.

 

[MNK99]

Correct @Walker. I just think there's english-->spanish difficulties. ALso, sometimes ignoring what's said (he does).
Also, BeLikeWater and others... I drank insane amts on Effexor... and with nothing else, later, working sex drive (to the point of it being a problem, i.e. hypersexual), I still was buying 60-100 bottles of vodka a year... so clearly the alcohol still worked. (others, friends, partying, drinking alone, etc). --> That's long over I don't drink anymore, hate it mostly.

 

[jacknap]

Read the post. I am NOT talking about during PFS. He stated that once he was near recovery it still felt like he was very sensitive to alcohol. At that point, if you've been obstaining, it's a tolenrance issue. While I had PFS, alcohol did nothing for me......no good feeling, just made me tired and anxious.

how would u know since didn't u abstain?

 

[Walker]

how would u know since didn't u abstain?

I had my slip ups, like anyone else. I abstained for the most part, and I'm talking maybe one night of drinking in four, five months timeframe kind of slip ups. I just didn't post about them when they happened, because it wasn't really a value added thing to talk about.

 

[MNK99]

Like any habit, once relapsed a tiny bit, best to cut it off, cold turkey (usually*** not all things). So a minor upset does not become a true relapse. And those addictive pathways in the brain are not carved in deeper across neural circuitry (to simplify some of what I said elsewhere).

-Also, it's pretty crazy to look at something that kills people... like something to "miss". (but I get it). Also pretty crazy to look at a state of drunkeness and then think oh i had no pfs then... that's obv not a sol'n to anything.

-Yeah a couple drinks won't do anything to me now, maybe... help me sleep, calm me down, make me more sociable... but it's obviously a slippery slope for many ppl too.
-AND if it helped my mood be an 8-9... I wouldn't say it cured BP or PFS or anything... it's just a blip of time, across all kinds of other phenomena.

-Relapse nofap helps me sleep... doesn't mean I need it to sleep.
-Relapse smoking, helped some difficult times (270+ days ago), doesn't mean I need to smoke. There's better ways.

-I'm not saying "be perfect", of c no one is. I def am not. And yeah I use other things (coffee, nicotine, etc).
-And I probably am biased against alcohol, but that's bc of things that happened to and around me.

 

[MNK99]

Tolerance has nothing to do.. I drinked a lot more pre pfs and alcohol affected me differently now it just blunt me.

Model - How a Subject Reacts to A Substance in the Absence of A Post-Drug Disorder.
Note: Model Assumes Rational Beings --ideally.

"Drug A" affects "Drug B".
"Syndrome X" from "Drug X" affects how drug A affects subject 0. And Syndrome X ---> Affects how Subject 0 responds to Drug B, and C, as well (and other exogenous elements).
"Subject 0" reacts to drug C fine, pre- Drug C (no tolerance). On Drug C, and with Syndrome X (from Drug X), they no longer react normally, to drug C.
-Reacts "fine" in this case means how someone would be expected to react to a drug (i.e. alcohol in the case of Drug C), with no tolerance. And even with tolerance.
-they may or may not react well to Drug A and B ---> for an infinite number of reasons incl. methylation, genetics, tolerance, susceptibility, underlying neurology, and biochemistry.
Post curing - Drug X's syndrome (i.e. Syndrome X), they react "well"/"normally" to "Drug C".
----AND furthermore, their regular reaction to Drug A and B will be evident as well (whatever their "normal" reaction to those substances are).

For instance, I drank EVEN more and could on Effexor (or Coke, Adderall, Dex, and the like... but they make me kind of hate drinking anyways, all stimulants do... it's a waste of time, to take something that makes me dumber, while taking something that makes me clearer in thinking --- personally speaking).

Key:
Let Syndrome X = PSSD and PFS.
Let "Drug X" = Finasteride or an SNRI/SSRI.
Let "Drug C" = Alcohol.
Let "Subject 0" = a hypothetical, relatively healthy person.
"Drug A and Drug B" = any number of drugs, neurochemical-, hormonal- affecting substances, that exist in nature and artificially.


Conclusión:
Subject 0 --> Could tolerate and use alcohol and have fun... mood changes (i.e. GABA and other neurochemical effects), relaxation, decreased anxiety, increased ability to socialize,
-with Drug C, before they had Syndrome X (your iatrogenic illness, i.e. PFS).
-Tolerance to Drug C and it's affects return.
-Hence me drinking 18-21 on and after Effexor. And 22.. and quitting, and still having tolerance well into 20's... and now too, but I like not drinking, hence I do not.
- Henceforth, Ergo, Thus, Therefore, The Above holds true for most human animals.

Q.E.D.

-Last time, I explain something so clearly.
- @HS and @barbaar --- this makes sense right?

DISCUSSION/ Discusión:
---A classic analogy would be how patient responds to Sardines. Without PFS (Syndrome X in this case), Subject 0 responds fine to his favorite aquatic dish.
---Whereas, now, in the presence of Syndrome X --i.e. PFS, their preferred deviant snack, is met with "Hit or Miss" effects.

Afterthought /Idea tardía:
-Fish is not the answer.
-Anivarz may be... for some, but they better put the work in before and after.
-666 FAPS a nite, Eating and or fucking 900 oranges a day (the value of this remains somewhat unclear to the author), and swimming in the ocean, while fasting 90 days could very well show promise. I will discuss further with colleagues.
-A More Realistic Assumption:-- Absence of Mental Insanity and Insolent Wackiness.

-Working Study --MNK99.
-For the Journal Of Advanced Self-Medicated Science, JAMA
-Also submitted to : The Journal of Idiot-Savant-Endocrinology.
-Submitted by author, MNK99 -- September 9th, 2018 --- 2.47am Aquamarine Time.

- Te digo adiós muchachos.