ZINC FINGER THEORY DISCUSSION for PFS - 2 cases

[TubZy]

GUys if you don't understand what Gbold is saying just start studying it, months ago i wasn't understanding anything, now i do understand what he says, start from the material on the arl site, trace elements has good informations too, i have bought dr WIlson book too in order to understand much better HTMA, and i won't start playing with my health once i will be 100% sure of what i'm doing.

Unfortunately i already knew the end of this story, people would make Gbold upset because they pretend pretend pretend without appreciating all the work he has already done for us, what about you start first making the necessary tests and you start studying the theory on your own, then you make the protocoll you feel is good for you and maybe just ask to Gbold for a fast rewiew to see if it is right, in this way he won't spend much time

Same here. Wuf should know this he was one of the original ones on RPF that communicated with Gbol (like he said for 5 months) and it seems he still asks the same questions over and over again. He is just looking for spoonfed answer and doesn't want to learn himself.

 

[wuf]

Posting on a forum occasionally is completely different from individually helping people on a case by case basis. Working with some one individually is MUCH more time consuming because you are reading and interpreting different people's tests and issues on a case by case basis. There is absolutely no comparison at all as I even get PM's from people and I try to help as much as I can but just posting in a thread is FAR less time consuming even for me. You also don't have to repeat yourself over and over again in PM's when the thread is public. So I do not agree with you.

Maybe you have more experience than me regarding forum activity.
I don't know, but that was not an accusation to @gbolduev .
He gave us a lot, I would say even too much, but I repeat maybe wrongly, I would/would have used that time in a better way to fix people (this is what I would do).
He decided to don't do so, fine! I renew my invite to do that if you will ever feel.
Love you anyway gbold. Thank you.

 

[Slayo]

There must be some nutritionist or something that utilises the kind of information shared on this forum to help patients case by case? If anyone knows of someone like this in the UK please do let me know.

What Gbold is doing is called nutritional balancing, so you should find a nutritional balancing practitioner.
The problem with nutritional balancing is that the things to know are a lot, so many interactions, it also misses the importance of aminoacids,also nutritional balancing practitioners tend to be closed mind and just use hair test even in cases where other tests could help understanding what's going on, in uk there are many nutritional balancing practitioners find one that you think is skilled.

But Gbold said that the alr computer programm should be enough, so just trust him and do an hair test from arl and pay also for the recommendations

 

[wuf]

Same here. Wuf should know this he was one of the original ones on RPF that communicated with Gbol (like he said for 5 months) and it seems he still asks the same questions over and over again. He is just looking for spoonfed answer and doesn't want to learn himself.

Tubzy, that's fine, I try to understand stuff as well, don't think I am such an asshole.
Gbold suggested me one protocol and I ran it for a while, then things were not going on anymore, so I asked again cause I seriously don't know where to start again, I just asked for the next step.
Plus, come on, don't point the finger on me like if I kept asking that for 1 month long, it is 4 days I am asking costantly. Before this, gbold didn't speak about me since I used copper who fucked me up and it was about the beginning of December, so 1.5 months ago.
Anyway, if I did something wrong, it was not my intention and I apologize.

 

[raven]

@Slayo I'm doing a hair mineral test but it's from trace elements inc. not arl, I couldn't see any options for arl in the UK. I hope TE is good enough, they'll still provide detailed analysis and recommendations.

 

[Jaxx]

Maybe just a suggestion, how about some occasional blog-like posts to help people out instead of repeating all the stuff all the time. There still are very relevant questions scattered over multiple topics, and people are simply stuck in there miserable state.....

 

[TubZy]

Tubzy, that's fine, I try to understand myself as well, don't think I am such an asshole.
Gbold suggested me one protocol and I ran it for a while, then things were not going on anymore, so I asked again cause I seriously don't know where to start again, I just asked for the next step.
Plus, come on, don't point the finger on me like if I kept asking that for 1 month long, it is 4 days I am asking costantly. Before this, gbold didn't speak about me since I used copper who fucked me up and it is about the beginning of December, so 1.5 months ago.

He doesn't help you because you don't listen you just take your own shit. You are saying you are taking minerals then you are on swole source saying you are taking herbs with copper. Then you screw yourself up and point the finger at Gbol's advice. Don't waste someone's time if you aren't even going to take their advice in the first place and then expect why they don't respond to you when you ask for advice again. Like I said I don't think you should be trying these protocols- stick with something safer like CD's herbs which you said you were doing fine on. But anyways I think the wiki should help sort it out.

You said a month 3 weeks ago you are on herbs. and cycling some herbs. I read your messages. I have no idea what you are taking brother. honestly. One time copper would not do anything to you.

 

[TubZy]

Maybe just a suggestion, how about some occasional blog-like posts to help people out instead of repeating all the stuff all the time. There still are very relevant questions scattered over multiple topics, and people are simply stuck in there miserable state.....

I think the wiki should help sort it out when it gets done

 

[wuf]

He doesn't help you because you don't listen you just take your own ****. You are saying you are taking minerals then you are on swole source saying you are taking herbs with copper. Then you screw yourself up and point the finger at Gbol's advice. Don't waste someone's time if you aren't even going to take their advice in the first place and then expect why they don't respond to you when you ask for advice again. Like I said I don't think you should be trying these protocols- stick with something safer like CD's herbs which you said you were doing fine on.

Ok, what you say is not exactly has it has gone and as it is, but ok.. it doesn't matter to keep staying discussing what I did or what I did not take.
I took what gbold told me to take. After that I tried also other ways as you, as everyone.
How many stuff did you take? You never ask gbold in PM what to do next when you were taking some supplements? For sure you did cause you kept going on and he was suggesting you,"try this try that", and then you take another thing and then you change a bit and try one more etc...
so why you should telling me not to try and do the same? I tried what he told me to try, but after that I go on, and I ask again as you do..
the difference is that you are doing it via PM with him and he is replying you...that's the difference.

Plus I started asking explicity help to gbold cause time ago, Tubzy wrote a pubblic post, telling to PM you to everyone who wants help from @gbolduev , so that message was a clear message where gbolduev was ready to help to fix people..now he turned back...Ok, fine!..

 

[TubZy]

Ok, what you say is not exactly has it has gone and as it is, but ok.. it doesn't matter to keep staying discussing what I did or what I did not take.
I took what gbold told me to take. After that I tried also other ways as you, as everyone.
How many stuff did you take? You never ask gbold in PM what to do next when you were taking some supplements? For sure you did cause you kept going on and he was suggesting you,"try this try that", and then you take another thing and then you change a bit and try one more etc...
so why you should telling me not to try and do the same? I tried what he told me to try, but after that I go on, and I ask again as you do..
the difference is that you are doing it via PM with him and he is replying you...that's the difference.

Plus I started asking explicity help to gbold cause time ago, Tubzy wrote a pubblic post, telling to PM you to everyone who wants help from gbolduev, so that message was a clear message where gbolduev was ready to help to fix people..now he turned back...Ok, fine!..

All of the protocols are shown what to try. I don't get why you keep asking the same stuff over and over again, you should know this you have been around since RPF. If you want to experiment just copy those protocols below, or just copy what the people did to recover that is what Gbol told you. For some reason you keep asking him the same questions and want like reassurance or something after he told you to follow these threads:

Summary of PFS, PSSD & Post Accutane Experimental Treatments (as of 12/16)
Summary of PFS, PSSD & Post Accutane Recoveries (as of 1/27)

Not trying to be a d1ck man, but this is like the third time you complained about this stuff, I just don't get why you don't follow someone elses advice or go to another forum if you are that upset about it.

 

[wuf]

All of the protocols are shown what to try. I don't get why you keep asking the same stuff over and over again, you should know this you have been around since RPF. If you want to experiment just copy those protocols below, or just copy what the people did to recover that is what Gbol told you. For some reason you keep asking him the same questions and want like reassurance or something after he told you to follow these threads:

Summary of PFS, PSSD & Post Accutane Experimental Treatments (as of 12/16)
Summary of PFS, PSSD & Post Accutane Recoveries (as of 1/27)

Not trying to be a d1ck man, but this is like the third time you complained about this stuff, I just don't get why you don't follow someone elses advice or go to another forum if you are that upset about it.

Maybe you are confusing something in what i wrote since I am not asking anything at all.

 

[TubZy]

Maybe you are confusing something in what i wrote since I am not asking anything at all.

OK Wuf Lol...

 

[HerrFisch]

DUDE tryptophan? Serotonin is baaad! (just kidding)

 

[Helen]

DUDE tryptophan? Serotonin is baaad! (just kidding)

is that why Bolotov cured 100 thousands of people from cancer in Russia using tryptophan. He had literally crowds standing to his house. Read his work. that guy is a real scientist who invented his own periodic table and nuclear reactor.

 

[Slayo]

1) Stress , alcohol ,overmasturbation , heavy metals toxicities, minerals deficiencies cause systemic protein deficiencies and pancreatic insufficiency. This leads to low levels of all amino acids since dietary protein is not being able to be broken down in your small intestine and stomach due to low levels of HCL and pancreatic enzymes.
2) low amino acids lead to low systemic protein and also low HCL, so this is vicous cycle.
3) Metalothionein and glutathione obviously go down since amino acids are down, you become toxic in metals and viruses and toxins.
4) low gluthatione increases inflammation which effects tryptophan break down by IDO enzyme.
Niacin and nicotinamide decrease IDO activivy

Solutions for POIS; CFS PSSD

1) HCL for the stomach ( you can go up to 10 capsules after protein food)
2) enzymes wth every food, including trypsin chymotrypsin to break down proteins. ( wobenzym , BIO ZYME)
3) ESSENTIAL AMINO ACIDS in free form, patches or predigested ( Platinum essential amino acids, essential amino acids, whey protein)
this way you restore amino acids and your systemic protein can be made ( ceruloplasmin , ferritin , gluthatione , metalothionien etc)
4) increase cofactors for gluthatione and metalothionein( glutamine, cysteine, selenium , zinc histidine tryptophan glycine) so your body can detoxify heavy metals and toxins.
5) DO hair analisys and get on nutritional balancing to fix your own enzyme system and see which cofactors you are missing like manganese or zinc or copper. If you dont do this, you can take a multivitamin to support present protein synthesys but the mnute you go off amino acids, you will crash, since your own protein synthesis wont be there, since you did not deal with body chemisty you just bypassed enzymes.
6) increase Selenium intake by A LOT like 600-800mcg a day , sodium selenite.
7) electrolytes magnesium potassium chlorides.


DIET

1)EGG whites 16 a day preferably raw,( make sure you heat them up to deactivate avidin) completely supports gluthatione. If you have histamine reaction to this, add 100mcg molybdenum.
2) diet mentioned in zinc finger protocol

DETOX PROCEDURES

coffee enemas daily
liver flush every 2 weeks.

POIS CFS symptoms are caused by degradation of tryptophan by IDO and copper zinc balance is crucial in this enzyme.

Tryptophan degradation is increased in viral infections during stress , cancer, inflammation. STOP LOOKING FOR VIRUSES and all kind of separate deseases. It wont help...LYME HERPES CANCER all cause gluthatione to be mobilized, and you have to support gluthatione and feed oils to fight the virus. S EX uses up selenium and zinc , which are part of gluthatione synthesis, this is why you crash..You are infected and you are working overtime to detox, but you by having sex are taking away mainly selenium and zinc from detoxification.
Acetylcholine problems are related to managnese deficiency and lipid metabolism problems.

But all of this will go away, if you restore your protein metabolism and thus restore your pacnreatic enzymes.

All this SIBO cures, panchakrama VVD treatments, they dont deal with the cause of all of this... And it will all go away as soon as you get aminos in and balance body chemistry. NEVER take antibiotics.



POIS CFS and VVD risk groups;

1) Ebstein bar , herpes Lуme CMV people, since that mobilized gluthatione and all its precursors leading to induction of IDO. It is impossible to kill these viruses without changing body chemistry. DONT EVEN TRY--- it is waste of your time.
2) Bodybuilders ------ they have low levels of amino acids, or taking wrong amino acid complexes with limiting amino acids.
3) Marijuanna smokers-------cadmium in marijuana antagonizes selenium and zinc like crazy . Gluthatione goes way down , which induces IDO
4) Overmasturbation leading to low zinc and especially selenium levels, and also high histamine use on arousal, which lead to histidine deficiency, and histidine zinc and B6 make HCL, no HCL no bicarbonate, and no enzyme activation in the small intestines leads to low levels of amino acids which leads to inflammation and IDO induction

5) people taking supplements , multivitamins ---- without amino acids , there are no carrying systemic proteins in body and all you do with your supplements is make yourself even more toxic in free unbound metals, which will mobilize glutathione and metallothionein again and will cause POIS. CFS


@Nina

@TubZy we can make a post like this for the actual protocol for general health.

Do you have any recommendations for people with low level of digestive enzymes but with a so sensible stomach that they can't take digestive enzymes otherwise they get stomach bleeding, nausea, no appeite for days, pain, etc ? SOrry to bother you, but i have researched and found no solutions, i found some liposomal bitter herbs that i tollerate and that maybe could help (since stimulation of bitter receptors helps the relase of digestive enzymes), but i don't know if it is enough

 

[Helen]

Do you have any recommendations for people with low level of digestive enzymes but with a so sensible stomach that they can't take digestive enzymes otherwise they get stomach bleeding, nausea, no appeite for days, pain, etc ? SOrry to bother you, but i have researched and found no solutions, i found some liposomal bitter herbs that i tollerate and that maybe could help (since stimulation of bitter receptors helps the relase of digestive enzymes), but i don't know if it is enough

You should not take papains bromelains and any of that stuff. pancreatin should not irritate anything.

 

[Slayo]

You should not take papains bromelains and any of that stuff. pancreatin should not irritate anything.

i tried pancreatic enzymes that had lipase, protease amylase and they irritate me... i will try the one with just trypsin and chymotrypsin and see if they irritate me

 

[wuf]

1) Stress , alcohol ,overmasturbation , heavy metals toxicities, minerals deficiencies cause systemic protein deficiencies and pancreatic insufficiency. This leads to low levels of all amino acids since dietary protein is not being able to be broken down in your small intestine and stomach due to low levels of HCL and pancreatic enzymes.
2) low amino acids lead to low systemic protein and also low HCL, so this is vicous cycle.
3) Metalothionein and glutathione obviously go down since amino acids are down, you become toxic in metals and viruses and toxins.
4) low gluthatione increases inflammation which effects tryptophan break down by IDO enzyme.
Niacin and nicotinamide decrease IDO activivy

Solutions for POIS; CFS PSSD

1) HCL for the stomach ( you can go up to 10 capsules after protein food)
2) enzymes wth every food, including trypsin chymotrypsin to break down proteins. ( wobenzym , BIO ZYME)
3) ESSENTIAL AMINO ACIDS in free form, patches or predigested ( Platinum essential amino acids, essential amino acids, whey protein)
this way you restore amino acids and your systemic protein can be made ( ceruloplasmin , ferritin , gluthatione , metalothionien etc)
4) increase cofactors for gluthatione and metalothionein( glutamine, cysteine, selenium , zinc histidine tryptophan glycine) so your body can detoxify heavy metals and toxins.
5) DO hair analisys and get on nutritional balancing to fix your own enzyme system and see which cofactors you are missing like manganese or zinc or copper. If you dont do this, you can take a multivitamin to support present protein synthesys but the mnute you go off amino acids, you will crash, since your own protein synthesis wont be there, since you did not deal with body chemisty you just bypassed enzymes.
6) increase Selenium intake by A LOT like 600-800mcg a day , sodium selenite.
7) electrolytes magnesium potassium chlorides.


DIET

1)EGG whites 16 a day preferably raw,( make sure you heat them up to deactivate avidin) completely supports gluthatione. If you have histamine reaction to this, add 100mcg molybdenum.
2) diet mentioned in zinc finger protocol

DETOX PROCEDURES

coffee enemas daily
liver flush every 2 weeks.

POIS CFS symptoms are caused by degradation of tryptophan by IDO and copper zinc balance is crucial in this enzyme.

Tryptophan degradation is increased in viral infections during stress , cancer, inflammation. STOP LOOKING FOR VIRUSES and all kind of separate deseases. It wont help...LYME HERPES CANCER all cause gluthatione to be mobilized, and you have to support gluthatione and feed oils to fight the virus. S EX uses up selenium and zinc , which are part of gluthatione synthesis, this is why you crash..You are infected and you are working overtime to detox, but you by having sex are taking away mainly selenium and zinc from detoxification.
Acetylcholine problems are related to managnese deficiency and lipid metabolism problems.

But all of this will go away, if you restore your protein metabolism and thus restore your pacnreatic enzymes.

All this SIBO cures, panchakrama VVD treatments, they dont deal with the cause of all of this... And it will all go away as soon as you get aminos in and balance body chemistry. NEVER take antibiotics.



POIS CFS and VVD risk groups;

1) Ebstein bar , herpes Lуme CMV people, since that mobilized gluthatione and all its precursors leading to induction of IDO. It is impossible to kill these viruses without changing body chemistry. DONT EVEN TRY--- it is waste of your time.
2) Bodybuilders ------ they have low levels of amino acids, or taking wrong amino acid complexes with limiting amino acids.
3) Marijuanna smokers-------cadmium in marijuana antagonizes selenium and zinc like crazy . Gluthatione goes way down , which induces IDO
4) Overmasturbation leading to low zinc and especially selenium levels, and also high histamine use on arousal, which lead to histidine deficiency, and histidine zinc and B6 make HCL, no HCL no bicarbonate, and no enzyme activation in the small intestines leads to low levels of amino acids which leads to inflammation and IDO induction

5) people taking supplements , multivitamins ---- without amino acids , there are no carrying systemic proteins in body and all you do with your supplements is make yourself even more toxic in free unbound metals, which will mobilize glutathione and metallothionein again and will cause POIS. CFS


@Nina

@TubZy we can make a post like this for the actual protocol for general health.

No good for PFS?

 

[TubZy]

1) Stress , alcohol ,overmasturbation , heavy metals toxicities, minerals deficiencies cause systemic protein deficiencies and pancreatic insufficiency. This leads to low levels of all amino acids since dietary protein is not being able to be broken down in your small intestine and stomach due to low levels of HCL and pancreatic enzymes.
2) low amino acids lead to low systemic protein and also low HCL, so this is vicous cycle.
3) Metalothionein and glutathione obviously go down since amino acids are down, you become toxic in metals and viruses and toxins.
4) low gluthatione increases inflammation which effects tryptophan break down by IDO enzyme.
Niacin and nicotinamide decrease IDO activivy

Solutions for POIS; CFS PSSD

1) HCL for the stomach ( you can go up to 10 capsules after protein food)
2) enzymes wth every food, including trypsin chymotrypsin to break down proteins. ( wobenzym , BIO ZYME)
3) ESSENTIAL AMINO ACIDS in free form, patches or predigested ( Platinum essential amino acids, essential amino acids, whey protein)
this way you restore amino acids and your systemic protein can be made ( ceruloplasmin , ferritin , gluthatione , metalothionien etc)
4) increase cofactors for gluthatione and metalothionein( glutamine, cysteine, selenium , zinc histidine tryptophan glycine) so your body can detoxify heavy metals and toxins.
5) DO hair analisys and get on nutritional balancing to fix your own enzyme system and see which cofactors you are missing like manganese or zinc or copper. If you dont do this, you can take a multivitamin to support present protein synthesys but the mnute you go off amino acids, you will crash, since your own protein synthesis wont be there, since you did not deal with body chemisty you just bypassed enzymes.
6) increase Selenium intake by A LOT like 600-800mcg a day , sodium selenite.
7) electrolytes magnesium potassium chlorides.


DIET

1)EGG whites 16 a day preferably raw,( make sure you heat them up to deactivate avidin) completely supports gluthatione. If you have histamine reaction to this, add 100mcg molybdenum.
2) diet mentioned in zinc finger protocol

DETOX PROCEDURES

coffee enemas daily
liver flush every 2 weeks.

POIS CFS symptoms are caused by degradation of tryptophan by IDO and copper zinc balance is crucial in this enzyme.

Tryptophan degradation is increased in viral infections during stress , cancer, inflammation. STOP LOOKING FOR VIRUSES and all kind of separate deseases. It wont help...LYME HERPES CANCER all cause gluthatione to be mobilized, and you have to support gluthatione and feed oils to fight the virus. S EX uses up selenium and zinc , which are part of gluthatione synthesis, this is why you crash..You are infected and you are working overtime to detox, but you by having sex are taking away mainly selenium and zinc from detoxification.
Acetylcholine problems are related to managnese deficiency and lipid metabolism problems.

But all of this will go away, if you restore your protein metabolism and thus restore your pacnreatic enzymes.

All this SIBO cures, panchakrama VVD treatments, they dont deal with the cause of all of this... And it will all go away as soon as you get aminos in and balance body chemistry. NEVER take antibiotics.



POIS CFS and VVD risk groups;

1) Ebstein bar , herpes Lуme CMV people, since that mobilized gluthatione and all its precursors leading to induction of IDO. It is impossible to kill these viruses without changing body chemistry. DONT EVEN TRY--- it is waste of your time.
2) Bodybuilders ------ they have low levels of amino acids, or taking wrong amino acid complexes with limiting amino acids.
3) Marijuanna smokers-------cadmium in marijuana antagonizes selenium and zinc like crazy . Gluthatione goes way down , which induces IDO
4) Overmasturbation leading to low zinc and especially selenium levels, and also high histamine use on arousal, which lead to histidine deficiency, and histidine zinc and B6 make HCL, no HCL no bicarbonate, and no enzyme activation in the small intestines leads to low levels of amino acids which leads to inflammation and IDO induction

5) people taking supplements , multivitamins ---- without amino acids , there are no carrying systemic proteins in body and all you do with your supplements is make yourself even more toxic in free unbound metals, which will mobilize glutathione and metallothionein again and will cause POIS. CFS


@Nina

@TubZy we can make a post like this for the actual protocol for general health.

Yeah we can how do you want to frame it and in what section you think? Maybe the "Human Body" section and what title do you want to use?

 

[Nina]

Yeah we can how do you want to frame it and in what section you think? Maybe the "Human Body" section and what title do you want to use?

Thats basically the idea i told u about earlier today Tubzy, lol